Anonymous wrote:The impeachment function is now broken---thanks to BOTH the GOP and the Dems. The GOP never should have impeached Clinton over lying about a blowjob. It was naked partisanship---especially since they in quick succession lost several House Speakers over their own sexual piccadillos. However, the Dems---in defending Clinton at any cost, even though he HAD lied in a legal proceeding---opened the door for Trump. Trump's obstruction of justice exceeds that of Nixon's. Our rule of law is the bedrock of our economic and political stability. It is the reason why the world's despots all want to park their ill-gotten gains here. If the House does not impeach Trump over such things as ordering the White House Counsel to fire Mueller, or firing the FBI director to impede an investigation, or in welcoming political help from a foreign adversary---then the impeachment mechanism as a way to remove a corrupt executive is meaningless.

Anonymous wrote:It's not like the findings of the Mueller Report are the only impeachable events.

Literally, just *last week* we found out that Trump told border officials to break the law and if they got in trouble, he would pardon them. He violates his oath every day.

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Anonymous wrote:The Russians attacked the election. The Trump campaign, right up to the top, thought that was awesome. They greeted it with "how can we work this" instead of "call the FBI." They lied, and lied, and lied some more.

As (Republican) Rick Wilson said: "The most striking part of the last two days is how Donald Trump and his allies are acting like losers, more aggrieved, bitchy, and petulant than ever." It's because they know. They always knew. And now it's in the open.

When the Gore campaign was sent debate prep material stolen from Bush campaign, they immediately called the FBI and turned material over. Had that been Trump’s campaign, they would have kept it, used it and lied about it if confronted.

And Gore lost.

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Anonymous wrote:The Russians attacked the election. The Trump campaign, right up to the top, thought that was awesome. They greeted it with "how can we work this" instead of "call the FBI." They lied, and lied, and lied some more.

As (Republican) Rick Wilson said: "The most striking part of the last two days is how Donald Trump and his allies are acting like losers, more aggrieved, bitchy, and petulant than ever." It's because they know. They always knew. And now it's in the open.

When the Gore campaign was sent debate prep material stolen from Bush campaign, they immediately called the FBI and turned material over. Had that been Trump’s campaign, they would have kept it, used it and lied about it if confronted.

And Gore lost.

“Win, at any cost.”
-GOP

Republican Sen. Mitt Romney issued a sharp rebuke of President Donald Trump on Friday following the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report, saying he was "sickened" by details revealed in the document.

"I am sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the President. I am also appalled that, among other things, fellow citizens working in a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia," the Utah Republican said in a statement.
Mueller's investigation into possible obstruction of justice could not clear Trump, according to a redacted version of the special counsel's report released Thursday, which provided new details of Trump's efforts to influence the investigation into his campaign and Russia.

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Anonymous wrote:The Russians attacked the election. The Trump campaign, right up to the top, thought that was awesome. They greeted it with "how can we work this" instead of "call the FBI." They lied, and lied, and lied some more.

As (Republican) Rick Wilson said: "The most striking part of the last two days is how Donald Trump and his allies are acting like losers, more aggrieved, bitchy, and petulant than ever." It's because they know. They always knew. And now it's in the open.

When the Gore campaign was sent debate prep material stolen from Bush campaign, they immediately called the FBI and turned material over. Had that been Trump’s campaign, they would have kept it, used it and lied about it if confronted.

And Gore lost.

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Anonymous wrote:I knew I wasn't supporting a saint but, I know the candidate I was supporting was the best choice for the America I love. So, shove your only patriots would vote for ABC BS where the sun doesn't shine. Thank you.

Did you know he was this much “not a saint”? Did you hope for better from him? Or do you think this isn’t such a big deal and the corrupt media and dems are making s**t up?

I knew his opponent was "this much not a saint" and so did Democrats. You all put that candidate up anyway! I read Lessig. I heard from Bernie supporters and you still put her up. I supported my America and will continue to do so unapologetically.

Ok. Fine. I get that you made the best decision you feel you could have then. How about now? Hillary is in the rear view mirror. How do you feel about the report and the finding that Trump is more corrupt/corruptible than you presumably imagined when you voted for him? Do you still support him?

DP here: I do support him. I didn't find anything new in the report that I didn't know before the election. I knew he was a businessman and he had prior dealings. If they rise to the level of criminal corruption, he should be prosecuted by DOJ. If DOJ chose not to prosecute him, it is on them. I am more concerned that after spending so much money on this investigation, now we will be spending more money on Congress investigation. It is time to move on.

Np- the entire point of the report is to give Congress the means to pursue. Literally the entire point. You shouldn’t be shrugging that off, and you shouldn’t be hoping congresses just “moves on”. The ball is in congresses court to do their jobs.

So, you believe that Congress can do something that Mueller and his high power attorneys and FBI agents were unable to do?

Are you serious? Yes, Mueller is a special counsel appointed by the executive. Under the US Constitution, the Congress has a duty to uphold the law and specifically as it applies to a sitting President.

Tell us about the high crimes and misdemeanors that were committed to warrant an impeachment.

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Not true. In fact Linsey Graham asked this exact same question to AG Barr in his latest hearing. It's puzzling to both the chairman and AG that FBI suspected at the time that Carter Page, George Papadopoulus and Manafort were working with Russians but they chose NOT to tell the Trump campaign about it. AG Barr testified that there were two former US attorneys working in the Trump campaign -- Rudy and Chris Christie. FBI could easily convey the message with those two. Unless FBI's goal all along was to frame American citizens and not stopping Russians.

OK, let's play a logic game here. You are the FBI and our allies abroad have captured first hand sourcing (ie on audio/video) of some of the names listed talking to Russians about the election, or they have captured Russians talking among themselves, citing some of the names above in their conversation. You are suggesting that rather than further the investigation, they should instead notify Trump that some of his people are being talked about by Russians or were talking to Russians?

That isn't how it works.

And Rudy is as dirty as it gets so I don't know why you cite him in some extolling manner. There is a reason Christie didn't join the Administration - he wasn't compromised or dirty enough.

You are not making any sense. Let's play your logic game but replace Trump with Obama.

You are the FBI and our allies abroad have captured first hand sourcing that some Obama people talking to Russians about the election. According to you, FBI shouldn't notify Obama but just carry on surveillance. That isn't how it works. Remember at that point, Trump had already clinched the nomination and was receiving classified briefings.

(AG Barr mentioned the fact there were two US attorneys working in the Trump campaign in Graham's hearing. He didn't understand why FBI can't share that information with Trump or the two US attorneys.)

And in those classified briefings that Trump was receiving, he was told about Russian interference. And he deflected and denied it was happening. Perhaps a different response would have merited a different action from the FBI, but in this case, his reaction prompted more concern. How do you not get that?

Dp. I think you are confused. FBI gave him his first briefing 8/17/16 according to an NPR article dated 8/16/16. The Veselnitskaya meeting happened before then.

You are making my point. The FBI briefed him on activites he already knew about and he shunned their admonition, much to their surprise and horror.

If he fbi was protecting the candidate, they wouldn't have let the Russian Attorney anywhere near Trump Tower. You won't agree with me so, goodnight.

Anonymous wrote:One attorney's take on the 10 obstruction incidents as laid out in the report

https://twitter.com/HoegLaw/status/1119359435766476804

There seems to be a consensus around 5 of them

Obstruction was an article of impeachment for both Clinton and Nixon. For Clinton, it was lying about a blowjob. This seems a tad more serious, no?

I would also add that not pursuing impeachment undermines the actions of the witnesses who came forward to tell the truth and sends a signal to future witnesses in future cases not to bother.

I think the democrats (well and the whole Congress) have a obligation to their sworn oath to uphold the US Constitution.

It isn't about politics, it is about our republic.

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Anonymous wrote:The Russians attacked the election. The Trump campaign, right up to the top, thought that was awesome. They greeted it with "how can we work this" instead of "call the FBI." They lied, and lied, and lied some more.

As (Republican) Rick Wilson said: "The most striking part of the last two days is how Donald Trump and his allies are acting like losers, more aggrieved, bitchy, and petulant than ever." It's because they know. They always knew. And now it's in the open.

When the Gore campaign was sent debate prep material stolen from Bush campaign, they immediately called the FBI and turned material over. Had that been Trump’s campaign, they would have kept it, used it and lied about it if confronted.

And Gore lost.

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Anonymous wrote:The Russians attacked the election. The Trump campaign, right up to the top, thought that was awesome. They greeted it with "how can we work this" instead of "call the FBI." They lied, and lied, and lied some more.

As (Republican) Rick Wilson said: "The most striking part of the last two days is how Donald Trump and his allies are acting like losers, more aggrieved, bitchy, and petulant than ever." It's because they know. They always knew. And now it's in the open.

When the Gore campaign was sent debate prep material stolen from Bush campaign, they immediately called the FBI and turned material over. Had that been Trump’s campaign, they would have kept it, used it and lied about it if confronted.

Anonymous wrote:The Russians attacked the election. The Trump campaign, right up to the top, thought that was awesome. They greeted it with "how can we work this" instead of "call the FBI." They lied, and lied, and lied some more.

As (Republican) Rick Wilson said: "The most striking part of the last two days is how Donald Trump and his allies are acting like losers, more aggrieved, bitchy, and petulant than ever." It's because they know. They always knew. And now it's in the open.