Anonymous wrote:This is all a bunch of bullshit. People have been doing this shit for years. They make a call and mention that they are an alumni and need to get their nephew in who is dumber than a doorknob. He gets in and they do not donate a penny. At least Lori made a nice donation. This kind of shit has been going on for years and they are not doing time and not paying fines. No community service either. No one says shit to them. I don’t think what Lori did was right but just make her pay a fine and call it a day. Aunt Becky is not a criminal. It is a waste of time and money to lock her up when thousands of others are not celebrities and do the same thing. The government is a joke and the government employees that are exploiting this family are wastes of space.

Anonymous wrote:This is all a bunch of bullshit. People have been doing this shit for years. They make a call and mention that they are an alumni and need to get their nephew in who is dumber than a doorknob. He gets in and they do not donate a penny. At least Lori made a nice donation. This kind of shit has been going on for years and they are not doing time and not paying fines. No community service either. No one says shit to them. I don’t think what Lori did was right but just make her pay a fine and call it a day. Aunt Becky is not a criminal. It is a waste of time and money to lock her up when thousands of others are not celebrities and do the same thing. The government is a joke and the government employees that are exploiting this family are wastes of space.

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Anonymous wrote:So will they have felonies the rest of their lives (ie they’re felons)? I think that’s far worse than a couple weeks / months in jail.

I mean, it would be for normal people, but what does that really mean when you have no need to work and your social circle probably approves of this kind of behavior?

Can't vote
Can't own a gun
Some countries will not let you enter

When you have that much money you don't have to care about voting, don't need to travel, and can hire personal security. A felony for these people will be something they laugh off this time next year.

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Anonymous wrote:How is everyone not as outraged/amused/disgusted as I am by the fact that the Offense Level was reduced for them both for "prompt acceptance of personal responsibility." What the heck? They've been running and denying from this since Day One!

YES! So annoying.

I thought there was another fraudster parent who plead guilty and got more time like nine months. Think the US attorneys office just wanted to be done with them after they extracted a guilty plea but it sends a poor message and reinforces the belief that rich people get light sentences due to privilege and wealth to pay high priced lawyers.

Anonymous wrote:How is everyone not as outraged/amused/disgusted as I am by the fact that the Offense Level was reduced for them both for "prompt acceptance of personal responsibility." What the heck? They've been running and denying from this since Day One!

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Anonymous wrote:How is everyone not as outraged/amused/disgusted as I am by the fact that the Offense Level was reduced for them both for "prompt acceptance of personal responsibility." What the heck? They've been running and denying from this since Day One!

YES! So annoying.

Anonymous wrote:How is everyone not as outraged/amused/disgusted as I am by the fact that the Offense Level was reduced for them both for "prompt acceptance of personal responsibility." What the heck? They've been running and denying from this since Day One!

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Anonymous wrote:So will they have felonies the rest of their lives (ie they’re felons)? I think that’s far worse than a couple weeks / months in jail.

I mean, it would be for normal people, but what does that really mean when you have no need to work and your social circle probably approves of this kind of behavior?

Can't vote
Can't own a gun
Some countries will not let you enter

Very small list of countries - no impact.

Another problem is that later offenses will carry bigger or more serious penalties. Look at OJ Simpson. Later offenses (like when he was trying to retrieve his own memorabilia with questionable tactics) carried higher penalties because of the gun restriction.

More problematic for Lori Laughlin is that there will be advertising and promotional opportunities that she will not be able to take advantage of. There are companies that will no longer work with her, there are organizations that will not have her as a spokesperson or hire her for advertising, etc. With the number of opportunities less than the number of stars in Hollywood, losing a portion of the available work can make it harder to get work in her line.

For Gianulli, there are companies and institutions, like banks and financing institutions that may no longer choose to work with him or his company.

And ultimately, anything they do financially, there will be far more scrutiny of them and what they are doing by both collaborators and authorities in the future. Once convicted, you are always much more suspect than before and there are more audits, and more inspection before anyone agrees to associate themselves with you. They were on a golden pedestal and the pedestal just came down a step or two for them. Not insurmountable, but harder.

Martha Stewart agrees. It is not insurmountable.

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Anonymous wrote:So will they have felonies the rest of their lives (ie they’re felons)? I think that’s far worse than a couple weeks / months in jail.

I mean, it would be for normal people, but what does that really mean when you have no need to work and your social circle probably approves of this kind of behavior?

Can't vote
Can't own a gun
Some countries will not let you enter

Very small list of countries - no impact.

Another problem is that later offenses will carry bigger or more serious penalties. Look at OJ Simpson. Later offenses (like when he was trying to retrieve his own memorabilia with questionable tactics) carried higher penalties because of the gun restriction.

More problematic for Lori Laughlin is that there will be advertising and promotional opportunities that she will not be able to take advantage of. There are companies that will no longer work with her, there are organizations that will not have her as a spokesperson or hire her for advertising, etc. With the number of opportunities less than the number of stars in Hollywood, losing a portion of the available work can make it harder to get work in her line.

For Gianulli, there are companies and institutions, like banks and financing institutions that may no longer choose to work with him or his company.

And ultimately, anything they do financially, there will be far more scrutiny of them and what they are doing by both collaborators and authorities in the future. Once convicted, you are always much more suspect than before and there are more audits, and more inspection before anyone agrees to associate themselves with you. They were on a golden pedestal and the pedestal just came down a step or two for them. Not insurmountable, but harder.

Anonymous wrote:She never needs to work again.

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Anonymous wrote:They were charged with different offenses which have different levels.

Per sentencing guidelines
Lori Loughlin
She was a level 7 for conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud.
Offense level increased by 12 for being more than $250k but less than $500k.
Offense Level reduced by 3 for prompt acceptance of personal responsibility.

Plea agreement
Base offense Level 7 for conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud.
Level reduced by 2 for Defendant's minor participation.
Level reduced by 2 for prompt acceptance of personal responsibility.

Mossimo Giannulli
He was a level 8 for conspiracy to commit honest services mail and wire fraud.
Offense level increased by 12 for being more than $250k but less than $500k.
Offense Level reduced by 3 for prompt acceptance of personal responsibility.

Plea agreement
Base offense Level 7 for conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud.
Level reduced by 2 for prompt acceptance of personal responsibility.

Can someone explain how these charges apply?

I get the mail and wire bit -- I assume they sent payments by wire and a check in the mail.

What's the "fraud" bit in it? If they paid the handler to get their daughter into school, while that's unethical, where's the fraud part of that transaction? Both sides knew the plan.

Or was it that they sent payments to ABC nonprofit for a certain purpose, but it was really for another purpose?

The attempt to pass them off as crew members. There are emails that show that Singer asked them to take photos as crew rowers so that they could be accepted as sports recruits for preferential treatment. Giannulli actually took such photos and also responded to the emails that he was willing to pass them off as athletic recruits for a sport that they had never participated in. Sending those photos via email constitutes part of wire fraud. They sent fraudulent materials over email.