Anonymous
04/04/2019 19:18
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Then why are you on this forum still fighting?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Almost certainly won’t move. I went to lousy public schools and turned out fine. Motivated high-achieving students will do fine anywhere. Plus it’s good to go to diverse schools—helps you learn how to deal with people of different backgrounds and with different approaches to life.
If we moved anyplace, it would be DC, just for shorter commutes as we both work downtown.
My hard-working daughter kept asking why everyone around her received As - and why the majority of the school made honor roll.
We're in Frederick now.
So your DD worked hard but couldn't get straight As but everyone else around her were getting As? Maybe she needed to work harder? Maybe there are lots of fairly smart kids in the school?
No, she did get straight As, but so did everyone else around her. She works hard. We moved. She is working harder to maintain her As. She's on a three-year plan to graduate from high school.
She's working PT, keeping up her grades, and is very involved in music.
Let me fill you in on a little secret: When you eliminate the 50% rule and put the onus on the student so that re-teaching and re-assessing are not necessary, children will rise to meet the expectations. That means an A TRULY stands for high academic achievement.
Unfortunately, we tend to judge others when we know very little about their own experiences. I am an expert in education after being in the field for over 25 years. When you can no longer maintain integrity, it's time to move out or move into a place where instruction is still rigorous.
So the fighting on these threads is useless. Some parents will continue to defend the system b/c they don't know any better. Others will leave for another system or head toward private.
So it's a win-win for all, right? You do you, and I'll do me.
If she worked hard for her A what makes her think others weren't working hard for their's, especially given what you stated (which I bolded) that you know very little about other's experiences.
You're such an expert in education that you can tell what SES level each child is by just looking at them? I would say you have no integrity as a teacher if you are judging kids' families income level by the way they look or behave.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 19:00
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Almost certainly won’t move. I went to lousy public schools and turned out fine. Motivated high-achieving students will do fine anywhere. Plus it’s good to go to diverse schools—helps you learn how to deal with people of different backgrounds and with different approaches to life.
If we moved anyplace, it would be DC, just for shorter commutes as we both work downtown.
My hard-working daughter kept asking why everyone around her received As - and why the majority of the school made honor roll.
We're in Frederick now.
So your DD worked hard but couldn't get straight As but everyone else around her were getting As? Maybe she needed to work harder? Maybe there are lots of fairly smart kids in the school?
No, she did get straight As, but so did everyone else around her. She works hard. We moved. She is working harder to maintain her As. She's on a three-year plan to graduate from high school.
She's working PT, keeping up her grades, and is very involved in music.
Let me fill you in on a little secret: When you eliminate the 50% rule and put the onus on the student so that re-teaching and re-assessing are not necessary, children will rise to meet the expectations. That means an A TRULY stands for high academic achievement.
Unfortunately, we tend to judge others when we know very little about their own experiences. I am an expert in education after being in the field for over 25 years. When you can no longer maintain integrity, it's time to move out or move into a place where instruction is still rigorous.
So the fighting on these threads is useless. Some parents will continue to defend the system b/c they don't know any better. Others will leave for another system or head toward private.
So it's a win-win for all, right? You do you, and I'll do me.
Extremely well said. If my kids had not gotten into the Blair Magnet I would have been right up there with you.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 17:42
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
^few posts back
Anonymous
04/04/2019 17:42
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Let me let you in on a little secret. Not all As in fact have the same value within a class as they are weighted by a student’s SES. Signed MCPS teacher.
I'm wondering how you know the socioeconomic status of all of the students in your class. Do you give them a questionnaire about their parents' educational background and paid employment, annual household income, and household wealth?
Yes, I thought that seemed weird as well.
+1 I called troll on that "teacher" poster a posts back.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 17:41
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:if you want to uproot yourselves and move away from your friends and your kids friends just to be in a county that basically has "better demographics" (excuse my racist term), go right ahead
what about military families?
People are resilient. It's not hard to make new friends.
And it's not demographics; it's lack of rigor. way too many fake grades in MCPS - It's the next on the grade scandal list. just a matter of time . .
I'm sorry if you don't know how the system works, but I will indeed do what's best for my kids.
Grade inflation is not just an MCPS problem. For a teacher, you don't seem to realize this. I don't think you're a teacher. Your post about how teachers will give lower SES kids a higher grade seems BS to me.
https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2018/09/24/new-study-shows-widespread-grade-inflation-high-schools
Anonymous
04/04/2019 17:39
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:if you want to uproot yourselves and move away from your friends and your kids friends just to be in a county that basically has "better demographics" (excuse my racist term), go right ahead
what about military families?
People are resilient. It's not hard to make new friends.
And it's not demographics; it's lack of rigor. way too many fake grades in MCPS - It's the next on the grade scandal list. just a matter of time . .
I'm sorry if you don't know how the system works, but I will indeed do what's best for my kids.
And you keep coming back to tell us MCPSers that. One wonders why.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 17:33
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Almost certainly won’t move. I went to lousy public schools and turned out fine. Motivated high-achieving students will do fine anywhere. Plus it’s good to go to diverse schools—helps you learn how to deal with people of different backgrounds and with different approaches to life.
If we moved anyplace, it would be DC, just for shorter commutes as we both work downtown.
My hard-working daughter kept asking why everyone around her received As - and why the majority of the school made honor roll.
We're in Frederick now.
I'm ok with that, you're ok with that - win-win.
very OK with that in all honesty
- former MCPS teacher with over 25 years in (huge cut in pay . . . And I'm fine with it.)
And here you are again.
Life must be boring up there in Fredneck.
It's lovely here. There is life outside of Mo Co. Maybe you should try it.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 17:32
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:if you want to uproot yourselves and move away from your friends and your kids friends just to be in a county that basically has "better demographics" (excuse my racist term), go right ahead
what about military families?
People are resilient. It's not hard to make new friends.
And it's not demographics; it's lack of rigor. way too many fake grades in MCPS - It's the next on the grade scandal list. just a matter of time . .
I'm sorry if you don't know how the system works, but I will indeed do what's best for my kids.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 17:30
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Student with discipline problems do not need to be "taken care of". They need to take the consequences and (if problems are severe enough) to be expelled at some point.
This is not the reality here at MCPS.
Ok, but the consequence proposed above would be illegal. For similar reason, the standard to expel a student from a public school is necessarily high, and even then I believe the county would have to provide them a free education in some form. I don't believe you can simply deny someone an education based on discipline problems.
I agree with that. I think the PP was just putting that out to show how helplessness the current situation is.
I don't think PP was being fascetious or knew that what they were proposing was illegal. I think there is a certain type of person who think that if they buy in the "right" neighborhood, they are not just purchasing a nice home, but also a private-adjacent education. They are surprised and angry when they find out that attendance zones can change, and that even the "right" public schools have kids with behavioural differences.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 14:12
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Let me let you in on a little secret. Not all As in fact have the same value within a class as they are weighted by a student’s SES. Signed MCPS teacher.
I'm wondering how you know the socioeconomic status of all of the students in your class. Do you give them a questionnaire about their parents' educational background and paid employment, annual household income, and household wealth?
Yes, I thought that seemed weird as well.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 10:59
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
if you want to uproot yourselves and move away from your friends and your kids friends just to be in a county that basically has "better demographics" (excuse my racist term), go right ahead
Anonymous
04/04/2019 10:59
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Student with discipline problems do not need to be "taken care of". They need to take the consequences and (if problems are severe enough) to be expelled at some point.
This is not the reality here at MCPS.
Ok, but the consequence proposed above would be illegal. For similar reason, the standard to expel a student from a public school is necessarily high, and even then I believe the county would have to provide them a free education in some form. I don't believe you can simply deny someone an education based on discipline problems.
I agree with that. I think the PP was just putting that out to show how helplessness the current situation is.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 10:54
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Almost certainly won’t move. I went to lousy public schools and turned out fine. Motivated high-achieving students will do fine anywhere. Plus it’s good to go to diverse schools—helps you learn how to deal with people of different backgrounds and with different approaches to life.
If we moved anyplace, it would be DC, just for shorter commutes as we both work downtown.
My hard-working daughter kept asking why everyone around her received As - and why the majority of the school made honor roll.
We're in Frederick now.
I'm ok with that, you're ok with that - win-win.
very OK with that in all honesty
- former MCPS teacher with over 25 years in (huge cut in pay . . . And I'm fine with it.)
And here you are again.
Life must be boring up there in Fredneck.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 10:49
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wish all Principals in MCPS had the choice to prevent students with discipline problem coming to their schools, and they could remove the 10 students with discipline problems from their schools as well.
Either MCPS made other arrangements to take care of these students, or provided additional staffing resources etc. Parents would need to pay a mandatory fees if their students needed more than 2 years of these services.
You can't attach mandatory fees to a public education, which must be free.
Student with discipline problems do not need to be "taken care of". They need to take the consequences and (if problems are severe enough) to be expelled at some point.
This is not the reality here at MCPS.
Ok, but the consequence proposed above would be illegal. For similar reason, the standard to expel a student from a public school is necessarily high, and even then I believe the county would have to provide them a free education in some form. I don't believe you can simply deny someone an education based on discipline problems.
Anonymous
04/04/2019 10:47
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Almost certainly won’t move. I went to lousy public schools and turned out fine. Motivated high-achieving students will do fine anywhere. Plus it’s good to go to diverse schools—helps you learn how to deal with people of different backgrounds and with different approaches to life.
If we moved anyplace, it would be DC, just for shorter commutes as we both work downtown.
My hard-working daughter kept asking why everyone around her received As - and why the majority of the school made honor roll.
We're in Frederick now.
I'm ok with that, you're ok with that - win-win.
very OK with that in all honesty
- former MCPS teacher with over 25 years in (huge cut in pay . . . And I'm fine with it.)[/quote]
And here you are again.
Life must be boring up there in Fredneck.