Anonymous
04/10/2017 13:22
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
[quote]Our son was a Varsity lacrosse player at an IAC School. It was a very important part of his life. While he never transferred, there are[i] very, very good reasons (social, academic, playing time and the relationship with coaches and how he is being played) that might make a student want to transfer.[/i] This whole fake umbrage about lacrosse transfers is the equivalent of fake news with an overlay of "stalkerism."
I do not have a child who plays lacrosse, and I do not have a child at a lacrosse powerhouse, so I am not one of your "stalkers". However, I am interested in why a larger number (as compared to the general student population) of lacrosse playing students decide to transfer from one school to another. You give some "very, very good reasons (social, academic, playing time and the relationship with coaches and how he is being played) that might make a [lacrosse] student want to transfer", but those could equally apply to athletes in other sports like swimming, baseball, or track and field, and to strong students or artists as well if you substitute "teacher" or "instructor" for "coach". Just curious as I have no dog in the hunt.[/quote]
My son transferred ... we did not even think about lacrosse in 8th grade because he was small and not that great.
By Sophomore year he was big, fast and good. I did not know how to guide him in this area and coaches were showing interest so I moved to a school that could manage the recruiting.
I actually think it is more odd that somebody knows in 8th grade what their child wants to do for college.
I do not have a child who plays lacrosse, and I do not have a child at a lacrosse powerhouse, so I am not one of your "stalkers". However, I am interested in why a larger number (as compared to the general student population) of lacrosse playing students decide to transfer from one school to another. You give some "very, very good reasons (social, academic, playing time and the relationship with coaches and how he is being played) that might make a [lacrosse] student want to transfer", but those could equally apply to athletes in other sports like swimming, baseball, or track and field, and to strong students or artists as well if you substitute "teacher" or "instructor" for "coach". Just curious as I have no dog in the hunt.[/quote]
My son transferred ... we did not even think about lacrosse in 8th grade because he was small and not that great.
By Sophomore year he was big, fast and good. I did not know how to guide him in this area and coaches were showing interest so I moved to a school that could manage the recruiting.
I actually think it is more odd that somebody knows in 8th grade what their child wants to do for college.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 13:11
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have posted this in the past but I still dont understand why the WCAC, IAC, and MAC all merge to form a super conference and have a, A, B, & C Division for reach sport.
The individual school can then choose which division (A, B or C) they would like to compete in based on how competitive their program is.
For example, a school like St. Albans might compete in the "A" Division for baseball and soccer, but might opt to play in the "B" Division for lacrosse or basketball. Sidwell for example might have their soccer and basketball teams in the "A" Division but their lacrosse and baseball teams might opt to play in the "C" division.
The Baltimore based MIAA follows this model, and has close to a 25 team athletic conference. It is very well organized and it prevents athletic contests getting out of hand.
Excellent idea. In California (CIF) you are placed in a different Division for each sport, so your Girl's Tennis Team might compete in Division 4 and your Boy's Football Team might compete in Division 6. Moreover, the teams are re-evaluated for existing talent, coaches, etc. and can be moved up or down Divisions in certain years.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 13:10
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:I have posted this in the past but I still dont understand why the WCAC, IAC, and MAC all merge to form a super conference and have a, A, B, & C Division for reach sport.
The individual school can then choose which division (A, B or C) they would like to compete in based on how competitive their program is.
For example, a school like St. Albans might compete in the "A" Division for baseball and soccer, but might opt to play in the "B" Division for lacrosse or basketball. Sidwell for example might have their soccer and basketball teams in the "A" Division but their lacrosse and baseball teams might opt to play in the "C" division.
The Baltimore based MIAA follows this model, and has close to a 25 team athletic conference. It is very well organized and it prevents athletic contests getting out of hand.
Excellent idea. In California (CIF) you are placed in a different Division for each sport, so your Girl's Tennis Team might compete in Division 4 and your Boy's Football Team might compete in Division 6. Moreover, the team's are re-evaluated for existing talent, coaches, etc. and can be moved up or down Divisions in certain years.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 12:38
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
I have posted this in the past but I still dont understand why the WCAC, IAC, and MAC all merge to form a super conference and have a, A, B, & C Division for reach sport.
The individual school can then choose which division (A, B or C) they would like to compete in based on how competitive their program is.
For example, a school like St. Albans might compete in the "A" Division for baseball and soccer, but might opt to play in the "B" Division for lacrosse or basketball. Sidwell for example might have their soccer and basketball teams in the "A" Division but their lacrosse and baseball teams might opt to play in the "C" division.
The Baltimore based MIAA follows this model, and has close to a 25 team athletic conference. It is very well organized and it prevents athletic contests getting out of hand.
The individual school can then choose which division (A, B or C) they would like to compete in based on how competitive their program is.
For example, a school like St. Albans might compete in the "A" Division for baseball and soccer, but might opt to play in the "B" Division for lacrosse or basketball. Sidwell for example might have their soccer and basketball teams in the "A" Division but their lacrosse and baseball teams might opt to play in the "C" division.
The Baltimore based MIAA follows this model, and has close to a 25 team athletic conference. It is very well organized and it prevents athletic contests getting out of hand.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 12:35
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
[quote=Anonymous]Our son was a Varsity lacrosse player at an IAC School. It was a very important part of his life. While he never transferred, there are[i] very, very good reasons (social, academic, playing time and the relationship with coaches and how he is being played) that might make a student want to transfer.[/i] This whole fake umbrage about lacrosse transfers is the equivalent of fake news with an overlay of "stalkerism."[/quote]
I do not have a child who plays lacrosse, and I do not have a child at a lacrosse powerhouse, so I am not one of your "stalkers". However, I am interested in why a larger number (as compared to the general student population) of lacrosse playing students decide to transfer from one school to another. You give some "very, very good reasons (social, academic, playing time and the relationship with coaches and how he is being played) that might make a [lacrosse] student want to transfer", but those could equally apply to athletes in other sports like swimming, baseball, or track and field, and to strong students or artists as well if you substitute "teacher" or "instructor" for "coach". Just curious as I have no dog in the hunt.
I do not have a child who plays lacrosse, and I do not have a child at a lacrosse powerhouse, so I am not one of your "stalkers". However, I am interested in why a larger number (as compared to the general student population) of lacrosse playing students decide to transfer from one school to another. You give some "very, very good reasons (social, academic, playing time and the relationship with coaches and how he is being played) that might make a [lacrosse] student want to transfer", but those could equally apply to athletes in other sports like swimming, baseball, or track and field, and to strong students or artists as well if you substitute "teacher" or "instructor" for "coach". Just curious as I have no dog in the hunt.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 10:30
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Why not just create a superconference:
Landon
Bullis
Gonzaga
Prep
PVI
SSSA
And a good conference:
St Johns
Dematha
Episcopal
Potomac
St Albans
DJO
Landon
Bullis
Gonzaga
Prep
PVI
SSSA
And a good conference:
St Johns
Dematha
Episcopal
Potomac
St Albans
DJO
Anonymous
04/10/2017 10:12
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Potomac should try to move into the IAC for lacrosse.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 10:01
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Bullis will get kicked out of the IAC for football very soon. Its for obvious reasons.
I don't think so.
When Prep was expelled, Bullis led the charge along with SSSA. The Bullis headmaster really didn't like the school's teams being non-competitive with Prep.
Landon was absolutely against GP being thrown out but got outvoted. Landon's athletic program was pretty much geared up to play Prep. In fact, when Prep was not in the league, Landon pressed Prep to continue the series and STA played Prep as well.
Now, of course, the Bullis is the problem. But Prep and Landon aren't going to complain. It's not in their DNA.
Prep plays 1000 student Gonzaga every year, so they aren't going to be afraid to play Bullis. The Prep answer will be to just get more and better football players. I think Landon will follow suit. Athletic success is a big deal there and even though they may be trying to soften their "jock school" image, there's still a lot of interest there in winning.
The IAC has got some structural problems. The Virginia schools are geographically remote from the Maryland ones and the travel, especially on week days, is a real issue. With Prep at 500 boys and Bullis with an apparent desire to upgrade athletics significantly, there may be a wider chasm open up between the schools at the top of the table for individual sports and those at the bottom.
Five schools is probably the minimum you need to have a conference that makes any sense. If they were to lose a school (STA to the MAC or GP to the WCAC), then they would have to do something different.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 09:46
Subject: Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You all realize this is a 38 page thread on local private school lacrosse, right?
Like, really?
And there are about 5 more threads like this floating around. This one is tame compared to the others.
?
I couldn't find them.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 08:38
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Bullis will get kicked out of the IAC for football very soon. Its for obvious reasons.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 08:14
Subject: Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Then it appears that more lacrosse players are unhappy or unsettled at their schools every year versus the non-lacrosse-playing student population. Things that make you go hmm.
It could be that they let lacrosse considerations drive their decision on where they go to school. Having ignored everything else, they get a lot of surprises when they actually start going to the school.
One of the best words of advice our boys got during their college recruitment was to consider if the school that was recruiting them is one they would want to go to if their sport was not a consideration.
And, the school. looking for lacrosse players (or athletes in other sports) admits a kid that they wouldn't normally. So you are starting with a potential mis-match from the beginning.
Letting a sport be almost a driving factor in choosing a school is almost a recipe for eventual unhappiness and transferring.
And under-estimating the importance of a sport can also. If a kid gets somewhere and realizes that this is a low-energy program where winning is not all that important, they long to go somewhere else.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 08:05
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:The IAC has hardly any rules and quite franklynothing is ever enforced.
True, except for when Bullis and SSSA led the charge to use the nuclear option against Prep and threw Prep football out of the league. Prep's crime was being too good for the league and not violating any rules
I guess no one noticed Landon won the Lacrosse title for 20 straight years.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 08:04
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Our son was a Varsity lacrosse player at an IAC School. It was a very important part of his life. While he never transferred, there are very , very good reasons (social, academic, playing time and the relationship with coaches and how he is being played) that might make a student want to transfer. This whole fake umbrage about lacrosse transfers is the equivalent of fake news with an overlay of "stalkerism."
Anonymous
04/10/2017 07:50
Subject: Private School Lacrosse Thread
Then it appears that more lacrosse players are unhappy or unsettled at their schools every year versus the non-lacrosse-playing student population. Things that make you go hmm.
Anonymous
04/10/2017 07:47
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Good post!