Will having CC and NCLB fix our local problem? Is there another, more effective way to fix our problem (which I guess is that our kids aren't progressing enough?).

getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem,

Look, nobody believes you were ever a teacher given the many statements made here confusing CC vs. NCLB, which a real teacher should know better than to make.

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Evidently you are unaware that CC is a *MINIMUM* standard, which does not in any way preclude diversity of schools, it allows for STEM schools, liberal arts schools, language immersion schools, magnets and AAPs, et cetera - the full gamut.

Whew. So I just have to pick one of these STEM or liberal arts or language immersion or magnet or AAP schools to avoid all the testing and get away from the "bad schools" that have the "bad teachers" and "bad administrators" and "unprepared students"?

I'm using your argumentative method (if you didn't figure that out).

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enables portability and interoperability of curriculum and content for teachers, students, and content providers,


Seriously? Where did you get this? Do you even understand what it means? It means that you can pick up in School A and move to school C and be doing exactly the same thing. Whether you are a teacher, a student, or a publisher.

Why do we need this? Here's a clue: we don't. I taught in schools where we necessarily had students transfer in and out from many different states. It was not a problem.

These must be the Pearson anti Koch talking points.

LMAO! You have that completely backwards. Conservatives take their own personal experience and use that as their narrow perspective, and project that outward assuming everyone else should have the same perspective and viewpoint, and assume that there's something wrong with that individual if they disagree. That's what you've done, projecting your own experience onto every school and everyone else as your means for trying to justify your opposition to Common Core, while trying to discount others' experiences, such as trying to discount my experience with your completely made-up factoid about only 30% of kids being able to meet Common Core standards. I on the other hand AM taking a far more liberal approach than you, because I AM taking your experience and perspective into consideration while contrasting it with my own, and unlike you, I've talked about the DIFFERENCES between schools, under Common Core and NCLB. Not all school districts are run the same way, not all school districts are using the same textbooks and materials, not all school districts treat testing the same way, not all school districts devote the same amount of time toward these activities, and that's what you've again and again failed to take into consideration, whereas I have taken those things into consideration, and that's why I have the broader perspective as opposed to your own very narrow one. And based on my broader perspective, and seeing how it's the DIFFERENCES in how schools do things under Common Core and NCLB that make it either a good or bad experience, as opposed to your own myopic, narrow and less-informed view that it's just universally bad based solely on your own experience. That's why I keep telling you over and over that your problem is LOCAL, and that getting rid of CC and NCLB won't fix your LOCAL problem, because I actually have factored in my own knowledge and experience of those differences, which you haven't.

These must be the Pearson anti Koch talking points.


Is that the best you can do? You have no argument.

Evidently you are unaware that CC is a *MINIMUM* standard, which does not in any way preclude diversity of schools, it allows for STEM schools, liberal arts schools, language immersion schools, magnets and AAPs, et cetera - the full gamut.

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I happen to be a liberal parent who has seen with my own eyes how the process works for my kid (who just took the PARCC this week) and I have *NO* problems with it. My kid's school spent ZERO prep on it, other than part of a study hall session going over test process and format, and my kid spent a few hours earlier this week doing the English PARCC, and then a few hours on the Math PARCC yesterday, and that was it. There was only one question that he thought was confusing on the Math test because of terminology differences but he was able to work it out. My kid thought the test was a piece of cake. As for his coursework, his Math and English textbooks are *NOT* from Pearson but integrate CC content just fine, and his teachers likewise do just fine with it. No, they *DON'T* spend an inordinate amount of time over-explaining things and no, they *DON'T* waste any time, and no, they *DON'T* divert away from anything to focus specifically on CC - in fact they pack quite a bit of very solid content in, it's in many ways better content than what I had as a student growing up.

That is my own, actual experience, and what I see with my own eyes, and nothing you can ever say will *ever* change that. If your experience is different from mine, then it's purely a function of how your school is doing things and the poor choices that they are making, and the fact that my experience is different from yours PROVES that. And that is why I am solidly convinced that your assessment and diagnosis is just plain wrong - because my own experience shows otherwise, whereas you do not have that same experience and perspective that I do, for you to be able to make that assessment more robustly.


You are not as liberal as you think you are. You are definitely not a social liberal. Wow. Keep living life in your own mind.