Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 19:40     Subject: terrorist attack in Paris
Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Koran says that one cannot draw Muhammad. This prohibition applies to Muslims, no? Why would others have to fulfill the obligation of someone else's religion?


The Qur'an doesn't say such a thing....


It doesn't matter. It is prohibited in the religion, regardless of the source. My point still stands.
Muslima
Post 01/09/2015 19:30     Subject: terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:The Koran says that one cannot draw Muhammad. This prohibition applies to Muslims, no? Why would others have to fulfill the obligation of someone else's religion?


The Qur'an doesn't say such a thing....
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 19:19     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
As Westerner, mother of a daughter, Christian, I find our society shallow at times too. I don't have any problem with ANYONE turning from rap to religion. I also don't have any problem with anyone turning from religion to rap. Or turning to both. I don't personally like breasts being used to sell beer but that they must be covered to feed babies. We have a lot of issues / contradictions in our society. BUT I LOVE THAT WE ARE FREE TO FIGURE IT OUT, CHANGE OVER A LIFETIME, DECIDE FOR OURSELVES WHAT SUSTAINS US as the whole state of CA. seems to be in perpetual flux doing. Humor, satire, rebellion, rejection, can be part of that journey. Free speech and free thought too. Murder is NOT. I support this woman's right to wear a hijab. God bless America and God bless her!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/09/lebanon-born-porn-star-draws-fans-death-threats-after-performing-in-hijab/
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 19:13     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
I absolutely loved this response:

http://www.telerama.fr/medias/le-jour-d-apres-par-louison-dessinatrice-de-presse,121415.php

The author, Louison, is a cartoonist friend of the victims.
The title says: "The day after."
The bubble says: "They have already drawn c**** everywhere."
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 19:10     Subject: terrorist attack in Paris
If one doesn't agree with Charlie Hebdo, don't buy it.

But do NOT burn down their offices. And certainly don't murder innocent people.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 18:36     Subject: terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:The Koran says that one cannot draw Muhammad. This prohibition applies to Muslims, no? Why would others have to fulfill the obligation of someone else's religion?


Thank YOU!!! Someone has finally said it. You don't want to draw them, don't. We can draw them to our hearts content--and we should WHENEVER WE WANT. These terrorists are horrible. Attacking Jewish grocery stores and cartoonists? The gf who is still at large . Great photo of her in her niqab with her little bow and arrow. Human garbage.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 18:04     Subject: terrorist attack in Paris
The Koran says that one cannot draw Muhammad. This prohibition applies to Muslims, no? Why would others have to fulfill the obligation of someone else's religion?
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 17:34     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
It's Hezbollah we're talking about. If you don't think they endorse violence by Muslims on a regular basis I have a bridge to sell you. There are plenty of Muslims who speak out against violence, like the Palestinian doctor who had been building ties with Israel his whole life and whose family was killed in an Israeli bombing raid in a very well publicized story a few years ago. But Hezbollah ain't it.
I'm the Franco-American poster with Muslim ancestry who's been arguing continuously with Muslima, and I dislike all religions equally. I've spent most of my life making apologies for Muslims, because they don't get equal representation around here (although I'm done--the "they asked for it" argument the last few days did it for me).
I'm simply pointing out that a brutal demagogue's statement is not proof of sincerity.


Okay, let's just not bother asking Muslims to denounce violence then. BTW, Obama endorses violence on a pretty regular basis as does Hollande. So, let's just stop asking leaders of all sorts to denounce violence. If we can figure out what the current incarnation of Mahatmma Gandhi, maybe we'll make an exception.


Now it's my turn to call you butthurt. What kind of peevish answer was that? PP makes a good point, that a Shiite leader with a violent track record of his own is not exactly a sincere source.

Instead, as you well know, there are thousands upon thousands of Muslim imams, al Azhar types, and Muslim theologians associated with universities who could make credible statements against violence. In fact, many of them have. I thought I saw a running list in the Guardian this morning of Muslim leaders who were condemning the attacks, but I just spent 10 minutes on my iPhone browser and couldn't find it. Maybe it was the Post. But a credible list is out there.


His so-called "violent streak" is confined to military conflicts. During Hizballah's wars with Israel, both sides targeted civilian targets (with Israelis killing exponentially more). But otherwise, Hizballah doesn't target civilians. In that regard, he is not much different than most of our leaders. When you have an opportunity to find common ground with an opponent, I think you should take it. Or, you can tell him to go to hell. Whatever works best for you.


Well if that works for you, then OK. It doesn't work for me, and I condemn the Israelis too.
jsteele
Post 01/09/2015 17:25     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
It's Hezbollah we're talking about. If you don't think they endorse violence by Muslims on a regular basis I have a bridge to sell you. There are plenty of Muslims who speak out against violence, like the Palestinian doctor who had been building ties with Israel his whole life and whose family was killed in an Israeli bombing raid in a very well publicized story a few years ago. But Hezbollah ain't it.
I'm the Franco-American poster with Muslim ancestry who's been arguing continuously with Muslima, and I dislike all religions equally. I've spent most of my life making apologies for Muslims, because they don't get equal representation around here (although I'm done--the "they asked for it" argument the last few days did it for me).
I'm simply pointing out that a brutal demagogue's statement is not proof of sincerity.


Okay, let's just not bother asking Muslims to denounce violence then. BTW, Obama endorses violence on a pretty regular basis as does Hollande. So, let's just stop asking leaders of all sorts to denounce violence. If we can figure out what the current incarnation of Mahatmma Gandhi, maybe we'll make an exception.


Now it's my turn to call you butthurt. What kind of peevish answer was that? PP makes a good point, that a Shiite leader with a violent track record of his own is not exactly a sincere source.

Instead, as you well know, there are thousands upon thousands of Muslim imams, al Azhar types, and Muslim theologians associated with universities who could make credible statements against violence. In fact, many of them have. I thought I saw a running list in the Guardian this morning of Muslim leaders who were condemning the attacks, but I just spent 10 minutes on my iPhone browser and couldn't find it. Maybe it was the Post. But a credible list is out there.


His so-called "violent streak" is confined to military conflicts. During Hizballah's wars with Israel, both sides targeted civilian targets (with Israelis killing exponentially more). But otherwise, Hizballah doesn't target civilians. In that regard, he is not much different than most of our leaders. When you have an opportunity to find common ground with an opponent, I think you should take it. Or, you can tell him to go to hell. Whatever works best for you.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 17:16     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
It's Hezbollah we're talking about. If you don't think they endorse violence by Muslims on a regular basis I have a bridge to sell you. There are plenty of Muslims who speak out against violence, like the Palestinian doctor who had been building ties with Israel his whole life and whose family was killed in an Israeli bombing raid in a very well publicized story a few years ago. But Hezbollah ain't it.
I'm the Franco-American poster with Muslim ancestry who's been arguing continuously with Muslima, and I dislike all religions equally. I've spent most of my life making apologies for Muslims, because they don't get equal representation around here (although I'm done--the "they asked for it" argument the last few days did it for me).
I'm simply pointing out that a brutal demagogue's statement is not proof of sincerity.


Okay, let's just not bother asking Muslims to denounce violence then. BTW, Obama endorses violence on a pretty regular basis as does Hollande. So, let's just stop asking leaders of all sorts to denounce violence. If we can figure out what the current incarnation of Mahatmma Gandhi, maybe we'll make an exception.


Now it's my turn to call you butthurt. What kind of peevish answer was that? PP makes a good point, that a Shiite leader with a violent track record of his own is not exactly a sincere source.

Instead, as you well know, there are thousands upon thousands of Muslim imams, al Azhar types, and Muslim theologians associated with universities who could make credible statements against violence. In fact, many of them have. I thought I saw a running list in the Guardian this morning of Muslim leaders who were condemning the attacks, but I just spent 10 minutes on my iPhone browser and couldn't find it. Maybe it was the Post. But a credible list is out there.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 17:04     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm the person he's responding to and I wasn't actually pissed. But I don't find his "pretend sexism" funny either. He should keep his day job.


Making bad jokes is my day job.


Maybe. But I wonder why you're so comfortable making "pretend sexist" jokes (i.e., saying something really sexist and then saying "just kidding")? Would you feel comfortable making a really racist comment and then saying "just kidding"? I think I know the answer.
Lighten up. Muslima made a joke too and said just kidding but I'm sure Jeff really is.


If "lightening up" means "ignore it when people think it's cool to be sexist", then no, I don't think I will.


You've got my vote, even if nobody else here will give it.
You must hate Kathy Griffin and Joan Rivers.


Huh?
Joan could be very self-deprecating. I can just hear her saying the same thing the moderator joked about and most people cracking up. Kathy can be rough and crude. Would anyone have a problem with her jokes on religion and sex and women and accuse her of being sexist.

That's my take on it and opinion.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 16:15     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
The leader of Egypt has spoken out eloquently about the dangers of fundamentalism. A brave stance.
jsteele
Post 01/09/2015 16:01     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
It's Hezbollah we're talking about. If you don't think they endorse violence by Muslims on a regular basis I have a bridge to sell you. There are plenty of Muslims who speak out against violence, like the Palestinian doctor who had been building ties with Israel his whole life and whose family was killed in an Israeli bombing raid in a very well publicized story a few years ago. But Hezbollah ain't it.
I'm the Franco-American poster with Muslim ancestry who's been arguing continuously with Muslima, and I dislike all religions equally. I've spent most of my life making apologies for Muslims, because they don't get equal representation around here (although I'm done--the "they asked for it" argument the last few days did it for me).
I'm simply pointing out that a brutal demagogue's statement is not proof of sincerity.


Okay, let's just not bother asking Muslims to denounce violence then. BTW, Obama endorses violence on a pretty regular basis as does Hollande. So, let's just stop asking leaders of all sorts to denounce violence. If we can figure out what the current incarnation of Mahatmma Gandhi, maybe we'll make an exception.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 15:59     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:France is looking more and more like Berlin in the 1920s and 30s--they want to wrap themselves in the cloak of secularism and "openness" but they think they can just wish away the hatred and violence that is bubbling up around them.

And as for anti-semitism: France is not a friendly place for jews either. The country that has the highest numbers of emigres to Israel for 2014 was France with 7,000 new emigres:
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/society/56246-141231-jewish-immigraton-to-israel-hits-ten-year-high-in-2014.Even higher number than the Ukraine. France has got big, big issues, people.


And sadly underscored by the tragic events of today. See France soon, before it's gone.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2015 15:40     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm the person he's responding to and I wasn't actually pissed. But I don't find his "pretend sexism" funny either. He should keep his day job.


Making bad jokes is my day job.


Maybe. But I wonder why you're so comfortable making "pretend sexist" jokes (i.e., saying something really sexist and then saying "just kidding")? Would you feel comfortable making a really racist comment and then saying "just kidding"? I think I know the answer.
Lighten up. Muslima made a joke too and said just kidding but I'm sure Jeff really is.


If "lightening up" means "ignore it when people think it's cool to be sexist", then no, I don't think I will.


You've got my vote, even if nobody else here will give it.
You must hate Kathy Griffin and Joan Rivers.


Huh?