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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

What author? Certainly not the author of the NYT’s article.

The one we're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

What author? Certainly not the author of the NYT’s article.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

Notice how the author reduces these women to just "moms". I'm sure they would hate that since so much of this is about not losing their sense of self and not just being wives, mothers, employees, sense of self, freedom.. But, this author just calls them 'moms'. The same women would probably bristle if the pediatrician walked in the exam room and just referred to them as "mom" during a child's appointment, instead of bothering to learn her name.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

I lived in the west many years ago and that wasn't the culture at all. I can believe there are a bunch of posers there now

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

It's a small minority. And they get hit by cars cycling, eaten by sharks open swimming, fall off cliffs, and all the normal things that happen to rugged men. It's certainly a choice but it's not one we have to celebrate.

It's even a smaller percentage that have these accidents.

If it's worth the risk to you to leave behind your spouse and kids to thrill seek, have at it. Meanwhile the rest of us will judge.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

This is some duuumb self-congratulatory rationalization.

What's dumb about it?

What’s intelligent about it?

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

It's a small minority. And they get hit by cars cycling, eaten by sharks open swimming, fall off cliffs, and all the normal things that happen to rugged men. It's certainly a choice but it's not one we have to celebrate.

It's even a smaller percentage that have these accidents.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

One can be very very rugged and also impulsive, risk-taking thrill seekers. I admire Lindsay Vonn for her accomplishments, but I don't envy anyone who will live with the results of a shattered leg for the next 30+ years. Each to his own.

I think you have to be slightly insane to want to go down a mountain at 80mph. Any fall could be catastrophic.

+1 She will experience pain and medical interventions to relieve pain forever.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

Rugged doesn't have to mean stupid. Going into the wilderness is a risk. Doing technical sports while you are there increases the risk substantially. But there are ways to assess and mitigate some of the risk, and the question about this incident is whether the group made reasonable, well-known mitigations.

I did much more dangerous things before having kids. And I'm sure that people on this thread would consider things I still do unnecessary risks. But it's not an all or nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

One can be very very rugged and also impulsive, risk-taking thrill seekers. I admire Lindsay Vonn for her accomplishments, but I don't envy anyone who will live with the results of a shattered leg for the next 30+ years. Each to his own.

I think you have to be slightly insane to want to go down a mountain at 80mph. Any fall could be catastrophic.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

One can be very very rugged and also impulsive, risk-taking thrill seekers. I admire Lindsay Vonn for her accomplishments, but I don't envy anyone who will live with the results of a shattered leg for the next 30+ years. Each to his own.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

It's a small minority. And they get hit by cars cycling, eaten by sharks open swimming, fall off cliffs, and all the normal things that happen to rugged men. It's certainly a choice but it's not one we have to celebrate.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

This is not the ethos of the men and women that live in the west. I lived in a western state and the women were really really rugged.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

If you aren't free climbing, you aren't a real climber.

We know that. It's something similar that's safer.

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Anonymous wrote:For another perspective, read this article from Outside: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/tahoe-avalanche-truckee-memorial-moms/

IMO when you choose to have children you also choose to put their needs ahead of yours. You need to try to stay alive. This whole “I’m a better mom when I’m happy” is just a BS excuse to do whatever you want. This is what made mom happy is cold comfort to a child without a parent. When they go to college you can carry on as you like.

+1 So very true!!

Right! You can still go cycling just do it on a path instead of the road. Swim in the ocean, where they have life guards. Climb well traveled rock walls with ropes instead of free climbing. People act like it’s some and knit or nothing. Having people you love and people who love you in your life requires that you consider them and how your actions and choices affect them. It’s called being an adult.

If you aren't free climbing, you aren't a real climber.