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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

If he has several million $ he has enough to stop working and spend time with his family. Does he not love them? Why doesn't he quit?

It brings up a good point...many SAHMs are saying there family NW is very high...in which case if it has been invested wisely, then why don't you both quit?

Isn't that something you would pose to your spouse, and maybe very revealing to hear the answer?

Yes. Many SAHM claim they made enough money to stop working and live independently or the have a trust fund. Yet they don’t share the wealth and have their h’s SAH too.

You just reminded me of the big ole MLM catchphrase "retire your husband!".

Even the MLMers want to retire their husbands, why don't any of the SAHMs on here? Though, they are also the ones complaining about their husbands WFH because they dont get the house to themselves anymore Interrupting their soap opera time I'm sure

NP. I'm a woman who fits the subject line. I work because I enjoy what I do (a niche area of the law) and because my husband is an active, involved father. I would never be married to a man who is as checked out of family life as it appears some of these DHs are.

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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

If he has several million $ he has enough to stop working and spend time with his family. Does he not love them? Why doesn't he quit?

It brings up a good point...many SAHMs are saying there family NW is very high...in which case if it has been invested wisely, then why don't you both quit?

Isn't that something you would pose to your spouse, and maybe very revealing to hear the answer?

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No way I'd leave DH to slave away while I lived a life of leisure. We'd both be retired and travelling!

Or the flip side...no way I would clean the house, shuttle the kids to every activity, etc. on my own if neither needs to work.

Of course, I don't understand why any SAHM or D if they are so rich lifts a finger doing any of that when it's easy to outsource it.

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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

Too bad he's such a bad father he'd rather be a "corporate cog" than at home with his family

I’m not sure why you would think he is a bad father. I’m a good mom. He is a great dad. We have awesome kids.

Before getting attacked again, I plan to go back to work at some point. As others have said, I want to put use my education and do something interesting and worthwhile. I likely will not be returning to finance.

If you have enough money why work?

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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

If he has several million $ he has enough to stop working and spend time with his family. Does he not love them? Why doesn't he quit?

It brings up a good point...many SAHMs are saying there family NW is very high...in which case if it has been invested wisely, then why don't you both quit?

Isn't that something you would pose to your spouse, and maybe very revealing to hear the answer?

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No way I'd leave DH to slave away while I lived a life of leisure. We'd both be retired and travelling!

Or the flip side...no way I would clean the house, shuttle the kids to every activity, etc. on my own if neither needs to work.

Of course, I don't understand why any SAHM or D if they are so rich lifts a finger doing any of that when it's easy to outsource it.

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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

If he has several million $ he has enough to stop working and spend time with his family. Does he not love them? Why doesn't he quit?

It brings up a good point...many SAHMs are saying there family NW is very high...in which case if it has been invested wisely, then why don't you both quit?

Isn't that something you would pose to your spouse, and maybe very revealing to hear the answer?

Yes. Many SAHM claim they made enough money to stop working and live independently or the have a trust fund. Yet they don’t share the wealth and have their h’s SAH too.

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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

If he has several million $ he has enough to stop working and spend time with his family. Does he not love them? Why doesn't he quit?

It brings up a good point...many SAHMs are saying there family NW is very high...in which case if it has been invested wisely, then why don't you both quit?

Isn't that something you would pose to your spouse, and maybe very revealing to hear the answer?

SAHMs probably feeling the need to exaggerate yet again. They are SO busy, but also SO rich. Their children are SO well manicured and their many bathrooms are SO clean.

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Anonymous wrote:Most people work for money. Their family needs it whether they are saving for college or retirement. Most people don’t have the option of not working without trade offs. Some people are lucky to have a job that they enjoy and have decent work life balance but they need the job to be paid.

I walked away from a finance career. It seems easier to walk away from law or finance. I know many many former lawyers, consultants or finance professionals who decided to stay home with kids and are married to a very high earner.

There are some women who may be trying to cure cancer or doing social work helping foster kids or some other worldly job. Most people work because they have to.

That's literally what this thread is about. Women talking about why they work when they don't have to.

Gosh do people even read the titles here?

There really aren’t THAT many people who have husbands earning millions who can answer the thread either.

Most of us don’t need millions as a HHI.

Most of us can live off $$230K-$600K/year easily yet we still work

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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

If he has several million $ he has enough to stop working and spend time with his family. Does he not love them? Why doesn't he quit?

It brings up a good point...many SAHMs are saying there family NW is very high...in which case if it has been invested wisely, then why don't you both quit?

Isn't that something you would pose to your spouse, and maybe very revealing to hear the answer?

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No way I'd leave DH to slave away while I lived a life of leisure. We'd both be retired and travelling!

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Anonymous wrote:Most people work for money. Their family needs it whether they are saving for college or retirement. Most people don’t have the option of not working without trade offs. Some people are lucky to have a job that they enjoy and have decent work life balance but they need the job to be paid.

I walked away from a finance career. It seems easier to walk away from law or finance. I know many many former lawyers, consultants or finance professionals who decided to stay home with kids and are married to a very high earner.

There are some women who may be trying to cure cancer or doing social work helping foster kids or some other worldly job. Most people work because they have to.

That's literally what this thread is about. Women talking about why they work when they don't have to.

Gosh do people even read the titles here?

There really aren’t THAT many people who have husbands earning millions who can answer the thread either.

I don't make millions, but I also don't need that much to live on as a single income. We could absolutely live a great life with either mine or DHs income alone, but we chose not to. Isn't that what the thread is about? Just because you dont make $1m+/yr doesnt mean you "have" to work.

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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

If he has several million $ he has enough to stop working and spend time with his family. Does he not love them? Why doesn't he quit?

It brings up a good point...many SAHMs are saying there family NW is very high...in which case if it has been invested wisely, then why don't you both quit?

Isn't that something you would pose to your spouse, and maybe very revealing to hear the answer?

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Anonymous wrote:Most people work for money. Their family needs it whether they are saving for college or retirement. Most people don’t have the option of not working without trade offs. Some people are lucky to have a job that they enjoy and have decent work life balance but they need the job to be paid.

I walked away from a finance career. It seems easier to walk away from law or finance. I know many many former lawyers, consultants or finance professionals who decided to stay home with kids and are married to a very high earner.

There are some women who may be trying to cure cancer or doing social work helping foster kids or some other worldly job. Most people work because they have to.

That's literally what this thread is about. Women talking about why they work when they don't have to.

Gosh do people even read the titles here?

I would work if my husband earned 500k or 800k. He earns much more than that. These women who have flexible jobs with a husband who has a flexible job likely are not all earning seven figures.

If my husband earned 300k, I would be back to work earning more than he does.

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Anonymous wrote:Think really hard about what you’re asking here, OP. It’s 2024. What if we asked all the DHs out there why they still work even if their wife makes a lot of money?

If my income alone was in 7 figures, DH would quit instantly. You make a good point about asking if men want to work because I think so many would love to dedicate their time to other things (some in and some out of the home). We just hear the voices of those saying they would always have a job but I think a lot would be very grateful for at the very least, a hiatus. Like other pps, our end goal is FIRE with less than zero apprehension of how to fill our time.

Of all the people I know where the wife makes enough for the H to stay home, and the h is employable none of the H’s stay home.

I have 1 SAHD friend, he is a great dad, I love him to death, but he’d even tell you he is unemployable.

My friend group is pretty religious and conservative with a lot of SAHP. I would say about 1/3 of the families with a SAHP have a SAHD.

I can also only think of one SAHD I know outside of this community.

I think that when raising children is considered valuable in your friend group and community at large, more men tend to take it on.

What % of those SAHD say they stay home in part to make things pleasant in the home and to have a happy wife? Curious if the thinking flips that far.

Your are misquoting me. I said DH comes home to a happy family. I never said that I do it to have a happy husband. I do it for me and the kids, not necessarily DH.

My husband will say happy wife is a happy life though. We say this in our house all the time. I never say happy husband happy life.

Wait until your H loses his job or becomes disabled and tell me how happy the family is.

Most men come home to a happy family no matter the working status of the wife. Actually SAHM's often want to do a hand off as soon as men get home... tag your it, which actually causes lots of issues.

As of now, DH’s career is as strong as ever. He is making several million per year. I don’t think he is losing his job anytime soon. Even if he did, we have more money than we need. Neither he or I have to work.

If he has several million $ he has enough to stop working and spend time with his family. Does he not love them? Why doesn't he quit?

Isn’t this entire thread about people who work not because they have to, but because they enjoy it and feel value from it?

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Anonymous wrote:Most people work for money. Their family needs it whether they are saving for college or retirement. Most people don’t have the option of not working without trade offs. Some people are lucky to have a job that they enjoy and have decent work life balance but they need the job to be paid.

I walked away from a finance career. It seems easier to walk away from law or finance. I know many many former lawyers, consultants or finance professionals who decided to stay home with kids and are married to a very high earner.

There are some women who may be trying to cure cancer or doing social work helping foster kids or some other worldly job. Most people work because they have to.

That's literally what this thread is about. Women talking about why they work when they don't have to.

Gosh do people even read the titles here?

There really aren’t THAT many people who have husbands earning millions who can answer the thread either.

I'll bite. I don't HAVE to work. Spouse doesn't make as much as some here on DCUM, but we could manage on a single income. Frankly, I would LOVE to not work. I don't particularly love my job, I would love to be less rushed at home and to be more relaxed and present for my family. But... I was raised to be independent. I can't imagine not earning my own money or "needing" my spouse for my livelihood. I love knowing that no matter what happens to my spouse, my family will never suffer any financial disruption or change to lifestyle.

That being said, if I had my own trust fund or family wealth... I'd SAHM in an instant!