Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I remember 2011 correctly, Obama and Boehner seemed to be stuck in a cycle of reaching a deal and then having it rejected by Tea Party members of Congress who refused to take yes for an answer. Then they settled for a crappy deal at the 11th hour to avoid catastrophe. I wonder if that will play out the same way with Biden and McCarthy?

Biden was the lead negotiator on that deal. There have been reports that he's not negotiating because the last time around the administration made concessions and thought they had a deal and then Boehner couldn't deliver and those concessions became the starting point for the next round

This is why I voted for Biden - he’s an experienced hand and has seen it all before. Same sh#t, new faces.

Anonymous wrote:If I remember 2011 correctly, Obama and Boehner seemed to be stuck in a cycle of reaching a deal and then having it rejected by Tea Party members of Congress who refused to take yes for an answer. Then they settled for a crappy deal at the 11th hour to avoid catastrophe. I wonder if that will play out the same way with Biden and McCarthy?

Biden was the lead negotiator on that deal. There have been reports that he's not negotiating because the last time around the administration made concessions and thought they had a deal and then Boehner couldn't deliver and those concessions became the starting point for the next round

Mint the damn coin, the debt limit is an artificial construct. Artificial solution to artificial problem.

McCarthy. McCaul, et al, know if they default the GOP will lose "bigly" even in MAGA states because too many MAGAs depend on social security. They aren't crazy enough to cut off their noses to spite their lying faces!

If I remember 2011 correctly, Obama and Boehner seemed to be stuck in a cycle of reaching a deal and then having it rejected by Tea Party members of Congress who refused to take yes for an answer. Then they settled for a crappy deal at the 11th hour to avoid catastrophe. I wonder if that will play out the same way with Biden and McCarthy?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden at a recent press conference:

Reporter: Will you compromise with McCarthy on his proposed cuts?

Biden: What cuts has he proposed?

Reporter: There's a list. A long list.

Biden: What's on that list?

Reporter: ....

[Narrator: There is no list & McCarthy has not proposed any cuts.]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1656324496444235777

That summary doesn't do that justice. That clip is awesome. He left that reporter just sitting there with no answer. Just shows how sharp Biden is.

Haha holy crap that was amazing. He should just run this as an ad. He can beat up on the GOP and idiot press at the same time.

Who was idiot who asked that question?

So, it’s Monday, May 15. We have about ..four working days left on this right?

Nice of mcCarthy to bury a $30,000 congressional pay increase into his "bill" while making cuts to the working poor, education, military, vets etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I'm Biden, I'm aiming for a deal that looks like this:
- Accept the GOP's discretionary spending caps while loudly saying you disagree with them. The caps go out ten years, but the ones past this year aren't binding anyway since future Congresses can just change them or ignore them. And the one for this year will be a political gift to Biden. It's mathematically impossible to do those cuts without hitting lots of programs that republicans don't want to cut and that are popular, so they won't be able to agree on approps bills internally and Biden will have lots of fodder to attack them this fall when we get into the shutdown wars.
- Agree to rescind unused COVID aid. The admin doesn't care about this anyway.
- Agree to a pilot program for work requirements, but make it continuation contingent on a study that shows that actually increase employment.
- Some of Biden's proposed tax increases/changes are included.
- IRA not touched
- The extension goes into 2025 so we aren't doing this again next spring during election season.

GOP won't agree to this.

Biden needs to put it on the table publicly. If the GOP rules it out, it puts the lie to their concern about deficits and debt and everyone will see it.

He needs to get every democrat on message that McCarty needs to specify what spending cuts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden at a recent press conference:

Reporter: Will you compromise with McCarthy on his proposed cuts?

Biden: What cuts has he proposed?

Reporter: There's a list. A long list.

Biden: What's on that list?

Reporter: ....

[Narrator: There is no list & McCarthy has not proposed any cuts.]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1656324496444235777

That summary doesn't do that justice. That clip is awesome. He left that reporter just sitting there with no answer. Just shows how sharp Biden is.

Haha holy crap that was amazing. He should just run this as an ad. He can beat up on the GOP and idiot press at the same time.

Who was idiot who asked that question?

Anonymous wrote:If I'm Biden, I'm aiming for a deal that looks like this:
- Accept the GOP's discretionary spending caps while loudly saying you disagree with them. The caps go out ten years, but the ones past this year aren't binding anyway since future Congresses can just change them or ignore them. And the one for this year will be a political gift to Biden. It's mathematically impossible to do those cuts without hitting lots of programs that republicans don't want to cut and that are popular, so they won't be able to agree on approps bills internally and Biden will have lots of fodder to attack them this fall when we get into the shutdown wars.
- Agree to rescind unused COVID aid. The admin doesn't care about this anyway.
- Agree to a pilot program for work requirements, but make it continuation contingent on a study that shows that actually increase employment.
- Some of Biden's proposed tax increases/changes are included.
- IRA not touched
- The extension goes into 2025 so we aren't doing this again next spring during election season.

GOP won't agree to this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can’t handle the fact record unemployment happened under Biden. They must tank our country.

Wait, what? You mean record EMPLOYMENT, right?

These are bot lies. They post them often enough that people start to think they are true.

Employment is surprisingly high right now, despite inflation.

There are so many complex elements behind this. But the bots are not in place to promote reason and nuance. They are there to plant lies in the mind of the American public. Putin wants Trump back in power.

If I'm Biden, I'm aiming for a deal that looks like this:
- Accept the GOP's discretionary spending caps while loudly saying you disagree with them. The caps go out ten years, but the ones past this year aren't binding anyway since future Congresses can just change them or ignore them. And the one for this year will be a political gift to Biden. It's mathematically impossible to do those cuts without hitting lots of programs that republicans don't want to cut and that are popular, so they won't be able to agree on approps bills internally and Biden will have lots of fodder to attack them this fall when we get into the shutdown wars.
- Agree to rescind unused COVID aid. The admin doesn't care about this anyway.
- Agree to a pilot program for work requirements, but make it continuation contingent on a study that shows that actually increase employment.
- Some of Biden's proposed tax increases/changes are included.
- IRA not touched
- The extension goes into 2025 so we aren't doing this again next spring during election season.

This lays it out

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/gop-rep-party-will-blow-crap-biden-takes-14th-amendment-route-rcna84140

I mean, the GOP is taking an unprecendent and unconstitutional tact to blow up the global economy and these guys have the chutzpah to be upset that simply citing the US Constitution (so much for strict constitutionalists, right???) gets their panties in a bunch.

Anonymous wrote:Put another way, Biden knew how much he could spend under the current debt limit and he blew right past it with the Infrastructure Bill. He is going to push us to a place where we devalue the dollar. He is such an incredibly bad president for the economy and all the smoke and mirrors don’t hide what people see in their bank accounts. People see the layoffs or feel the layoffs. People see the government stepping in to insure loans beyond what FDIC requires. Most of this country doesn’t have savings over $250,000 and yet this administration saw fit to bail out people who stupidly kept accounts higher than that limit. Bailing out the rich while squeezing the poor and middle class. Biden is the worst ever.

People say that LLM AI models can't replace humans because they don't understand what their words mean, they just predict what sounds like it should go next. And yet, isn't that exactly what's happening with a meandering brain dump of half-formed arguments like this? Did you give even the slightest thought at how all these talking points fit together? I mean, I have to assume that even ChatGPT would do better than this trash.