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Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

The bolded is a reminder that most people have no idea what an IEP is. Including you, PP. It's not a pass on behavior. Nothing in an IEP indicates that a child is allowed to harm other kids. And the majority of violent, disruptive bullies aren't on IEPs. The problem has never been children on IEPs, as much as you don't like them. It's money. There are simply not enough resources available to give each child the education and support they need and everyone suffers. The federal government isn't funding its share of special education. There aren't enough teachers, and can you blame them? There isn't enough training or support. And for the children with the greatest needs, there aren't enough spaces in specialized schools. You get what you pay for in public education.

I call bs.

The kid has an acute disability and was allowed half day classes with a parent shadowing the entire time. That is most definitely a sign of an IEP.

And your experience might be different but based on my teacher friends, it’s not. It’s getting worse and parents aren’t teaching their kids how to behave or medicating their kids so that their brains normalize.

And no- not every IEP allows for violent behavior. The IEPs allows for “bandaids” to deal with the aggressive behavior vs actually medication or therapy.

And this kid: had a lot of bandaids before he shot a teacher.

Absolutely not. If anything , the allowances for this child show he did NOT and could not have had an IEP. Nothing about this setup was legal per an IEP which is a LEGAL document. Acute disability is not a category under IDEA. You do not get an IEP for “acute disability,” that is a made up lawyer and family term. Secondly, it is not legal per an IEP for parents to serve as a 1:1 aide as they are not sped certified. There was no IEP. There was a deal between the family and admin to keep him mainstream at risk to all.

The kid had an actual IEP, per the family's lawyer. He is quoted at the end of the article. https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1

I still can’t tell if the lawyer is full of it because the level of noncompliance with an IEP and IDEA that this situation encompasses *if* there was an IEP would require the go along of so many people that it’s impossible for me to see it being likely. We are talking district sped coordinators, school psychologists, school diagnosticians, case managers, sped assistants and Gen Ed teachers an admin all going along with being out of compliance. It stretches the limits of credulity for me as an educator, as does his claim the child had “physical, mental, emotional disability” (he says “ all of it” ) yet that child is a) in a mainstream environment and b) placement was never changed and c) he also claims the kid had an IEP for “acute disability” which isn’t a category of IDEA. None of it adds up and it’s clear the family and lawyer are playing weasel CYA games with their statements.

*laughs in public schools.* You're hilarious. I have an easier time believing this kid had a batshit insane IEP labeling his aggression as a symptom of his disorder than I do believing any other part of this story. Hell, I can think of two different disabilities that protect violence as symptoms of disabilities off the top of my head. And if it is a symptom of a disability, that means any time it manifests, to address it, you must call a meeting of the IEP, come up with a (positive!) behavior modification plan, and then it's four weeks of collecting data! Then another meeting to reassess, modify the plan, four more weeks of data collection-- at no point do they really ever discuss removing children from mainstream classes. But that's fair-- a kid without an IEP would just get consequences. We gotta treat the special kids special, even when they are violent and destructive! After all, they are the only one's entitled to FAPE. Screw those neurotypical kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

The bolded is a reminder that most people have no idea what an IEP is. Including you, PP. It's not a pass on behavior. Nothing in an IEP indicates that a child is allowed to harm other kids. And the majority of violent, disruptive bullies aren't on IEPs. The problem has never been children on IEPs, as much as you don't like them. It's money. There are simply not enough resources available to give each child the education and support they need and everyone suffers. The federal government isn't funding its share of special education. There aren't enough teachers, and can you blame them? There isn't enough training or support. And for the children with the greatest needs, there aren't enough spaces in specialized schools. You get what you pay for in public education.

I call bs.

The kid has an acute disability and was allowed half day classes with a parent shadowing the entire time. That is most definitely a sign of an IEP.

And your experience might be different but based on my teacher friends, it’s not. It’s getting worse and parents aren’t teaching their kids how to behave or medicating their kids so that their brains normalize.

And no- not every IEP allows for violent behavior. The IEPs allows for “bandaids” to deal with the aggressive behavior vs actually medication or therapy.

And this kid: had a lot of bandaids before he shot a teacher.

Absolutely not. If anything , the allowances for this child show he did NOT and could not have had an IEP. Nothing about this setup was legal per an IEP which is a LEGAL document. Acute disability is not a category under IDEA. You do not get an IEP for “acute disability,” that is a made up lawyer and family term. Secondly, it is not legal per an IEP for parents to serve as a 1:1 aide as they are not sped certified. There was no IEP. There was a deal between the family and admin to keep him mainstream at risk to all.

The kid had an actual IEP, per the family's lawyer. He is quoted at the end of the article. https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1

I still can’t tell if the lawyer is full of it because the level of noncompliance with an IEP and IDEA that this situation encompasses *if* there was an IEP would require the go along of so many people that it’s impossible for me to see it being likely. We are talking district sped coordinators, school psychologists, school diagnosticians, case managers, sped assistants and Gen Ed teachers an admin all going along with being out of compliance. It stretches the limits of credulity for me as an educator, as does his claim the child had “physical, mental, emotional disability” (he says “ all of it” ) yet that child is a) in a mainstream environment and b) placement was never changed and c) he also claims the kid had an IEP for “acute disability” which isn’t a category of IDEA. None of it adds up and it’s clear the family and lawyer are playing weasel CYA games with their statements.

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Anonymous wrote:The school had no doors and there were no lock down drills. And he was only there for a half a day.

Wow.

I know that people are all like: parents should have a voice in their kids education. But it really sounds like the teachers should have a stronger voice. And I know that my IEP friends are going to be enraged about this: but if your kid is violent he really can’t be protected by an IEP anymore.

If your child was an adult, he would be tried for assault. If you think that your child’s aggressive behavior should be excused- you’re part of the problem.

And for goodness sake: teachers can’t hit a child back. They are not allowed because they can be sued for hitting a kid. Which is at this point a result of the parents being awful.

If your kid is strangling teachers or other kids: they should be suspended for a week and expelled with a second offense. I’m sorry: but if you can’t raise your kids to not be violent, then it isn’t the school systems responsibility to fix your kid. It’s yours.

The bolded is a reminder that most people have no idea what an IEP is. Including you, PP. It's not a pass on behavior. Nothing in an IEP indicates that a child is allowed to harm other kids. And the majority of violent, disruptive bullies aren't on IEPs. The problem has never been children on IEPs, as much as you don't like them. It's money. There are simply not enough resources available to give each child the education and support they need and everyone suffers. The federal government isn't funding its share of special education. There aren't enough teachers, and can you blame them? There isn't enough training or support. And for the children with the greatest needs, there aren't enough spaces in specialized schools. You get what you pay for in public education.

I call bs.

The kid has an acute disability and was allowed half day classes with a parent shadowing the entire time. That is most definitely a sign of an IEP.

And your experience might be different but based on my teacher friends, it’s not. It’s getting worse and parents aren’t teaching their kids how to behave or medicating their kids so that their brains normalize.

And no- not every IEP allows for violent behavior. The IEPs allows for “bandaids” to deal with the aggressive behavior vs actually medication or therapy.

And this kid: had a lot of bandaids before he shot a teacher.

Absolutely not. If anything , the allowances for this child show he did NOT and could not have had an IEP. Nothing about this setup was legal per an IEP which is a LEGAL document. Acute disability is not a category under IDEA. You do not get an IEP for “acute disability,” that is a made up lawyer and family term. Secondly, it is not legal per an IEP for parents to serve as a 1:1 aide as they are not sped certified. There was no IEP. There was a deal between the family and admin to keep him mainstream at risk to all.

The kid had an actual IEP, per the family's lawyer. He is quoted at the end of the article. https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1

I still can’t tell if the lawyer is full of it because the level of noncompliance with an IEP and IDEA that this situation encompasses *if* there was an IEP would require the go along of so many people that it’s impossible for me to see it being likely. We are talking district sped coordinators, school psychologists, school diagnosticians, case managers, sped assistants and Gen Ed teachers an admin all going along with being out of compliance. It stretches the limits of credulity for me as an educator, as does his claim the child had “physical, mental, emotional disability” (he says “ all of it” ) yet that child is a) in a mainstream environment and b) placement was never changed and c) he also claims the kid had an IEP for “acute disability” which isn’t a category of IDEA. None of it adds up and it’s clear the family and lawyer are playing weasel CYA games with their statements.