Teachers lost all credibility when they chose not to teach and sold the idea that it didn't really matter

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

DP.
Why do you assume teachers have education degrees? I’m a teacher with two masters degrees, and neither one of them is in education. I worked quite hard to get them, too. As for specializations, I also have those. Heck, the teacher upstairs from me has a PhD in Chemistry. I suspect he’d say that wasn’t the easiest thing to earn. (Yes, and it’s a “real” one.)

I know it’s easy to degrade teachers. This thread is a great example of that. What I noticed is most of the insults come from people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the profession.

Sitting in a classroom when you were a child doesn’t mean you understand the working conditions, education requirements, or (frankly) anything about being a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

Teachers don’t even work a full month of school days.

BullSh@# Teachers have work days- get over yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

It's not the only job where that is true. I am a Fed at that is true.

Fair enough.

Teacher here, and curious…
What sort of work do you do at home? What “work before you get to work” does your job require? We know that in the context of teaching that is grading (so work can be returned/discussed) and planning lessons. That’s my Sunday-Thursday nights.

No snark intended at all. I’m just curious what this looks like for other professions.

Lady if you have such a time clock punching mentality that you can’t fathom any other job that requires preparation before work for work and more work after work you need to go work in a factory or fast food place bc the only other jobs that don’t have really long shifts so you can do all that work at work. It’s shocking how ignorant this is and how put-upon you sound. And before you start complaining about how much more those other professions make, try going and getting a law degree or a medical degree or whatever profession you think is so unfairly compensated.

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Also, frankly, lots of teachers in DC make over $100K. Lots of admin people in DC who have to do what PP is describing make less than $100K.

good god people, if you don't like your job and don't feel well-compensated, get a new job. You all just sound pathetic incessantly complaining about how you should get paid like someone else in a different job.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

Why do so many women on this forum have this bizarre competition going on with their husbands? It sounds resentful and not good for the marriage. Be happy he outearns you.

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Anonymous wrote:I want a job where I’m overworked but am compensated for it. My friends who aren’t teachers work a lot but make over $150k per year. I make $75k. Maybe I’d make that much if I charged for my OT. The job cannot be done with one 45 minute prep period per day. Most days I get zero planning due to meetings and other BS.

So what do you do during your monthly long weekends, your four weeks of paid vacation between Sept and May, and your three months off in the summertime?

Your friends probably don’t have the ability to retire on a pension after 20 years after just an easy BA or easy masters degree either.

Where I live virtually all teachers retire in their early 50s because 30 years is required for the pension to kick in. I would prefer a 50 something teacher over the 20 something radicals our district hires.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

His degree is more difficult to obtain than yours. It is called specialization and it is the system we use in this country to establish pay. Education degrees are relatively easy to obtain. Far less are able to become medical professionals.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

I am a lawyer and worked on MLK Day because it’s not a company holiday.

My brother, also an attorney, did too. He makes six times what I make as a teacher.

He works more hours, too.

So go to law school.

He works from home (guessing you do too) and has many days/weeks where little goes on, and some weeks where he’s busy (but still home). Maybe you should become a teacher so you can get a few odd days off during the year, since it seems to be a rub for you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

I am a lawyer and worked on MLK Day because it’s not a company holiday.

My brother, also an attorney, did too. He makes six times what I make as a teacher.

He works more hours, too.

So go to law school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

I am a lawyer and worked on MLK Day because it’s not a company holiday.

My brother, also an attorney, did too. He makes six times what I make as a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

I am a lawyer and worked on MLK Day because it’s not a company holiday.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

I don’t owe you that information.
Here’s what I’ll tell you, though. He attended a private school for his graduate degree (by choice) and I competed for a fellowship where mine was subsidized. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds and I never took any student loans. I paid for my undergraduate degree in cash by working through school, whereas his family paid for his private school tuition. We both have a master’s degree. He takes no work home, and works three days a week. I take considerable work home and work five days a week. He makes $150,000 and I make $54,000.

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Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

If you think teaching is the only job that requires preparation and follow up your own time you are extremely sheltered. This is exactly the myopic attitude among teachers that people complain about. Every outpatient doctor I know pre-charts before work, sees patients all day, comes home (by dinner time if lucky), puts kids to bed (again if lucky) and then is back to work completing documentation for the day. And it’s never done.

And those doctors are compensated well for their time. For years, my kids qualified for free meals in the district where I taught. I had a Master's degree yet I made so little that they got free lunches. Ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Agreed.