Anonymous
06/12/2022 15:35
Subject: TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:Any idea when will it be first round of selections from waitlist, will it be June 17th or June 24th?
Who knows. They have to verify the FARMS status for 182 newly admitted students and probably a few hundred on the waiting list. I would not hold your breath.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 14:53
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ is a mess these days.
https://asrainvestigates.substack.com/p/1-hs-math-teachers-note-lowering?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
This article slaps the school board in the face. Those board members should resign.
Ummm . . . you do realize TJ Math 4 students are not those in the controversial class of 2025, right? So this article is crapping on students admitted under the old process. So, if anything, this article seems to suggest that the people saying kids that are artificially prepped for an entrance exam and then flame out when around truly gifted, non-prepped kids may be on to something.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 14:26
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:TJ is a mess these days.
https://asrainvestigates.substack.com/p/1-hs-math-teachers-note-lowering?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
This article slaps the school board in the face. Those board members should resign.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 14:23
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:We don’t need a TJ just to make people who scored high on one IQ test feel like special snowflakes. Nor do we need one just so some dim-witted pork barrel politician like Karen Corbett Sanders can brag about how she got more TJ seats allocated to her own district.
Turn TJ back into a neighborhood school.
Top kids still need TJ. Whoever can catch up with the advanced education TJ used offer are qualified kids. We need both intelligence and diligence to make achievements.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 13:32
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
We don’t need a TJ just to make people who scored high on one IQ test feel like special snowflakes. Nor do we need one just so some dim-witted pork barrel politician like Karen Corbett Sanders can brag about how she got more TJ seats allocated to her own district.
Turn TJ back into a neighborhood school.
Turn TJ back into a neighborhood school.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 13:03
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am academically smart, very high IQ tests (161), and work my ass off. When I want to work primarily for money, I have historically made $1-1.4 million annually. When I’ve chosen to work primarily for the mission of an organization, I make about $300,000, equally working my ass off. I have never, never, had a supervisor/boss anything other than thrilled I work on their teams, and honestly I’ve rarely had a “boss”. My sister has been half-joking that I’ll have a “reality check” when I have to go out into the “real world”. Turns out that, no, my “world”, which is really just one world with people having different experiences/needs/responsibilities, there’s no comeuppance that she in actuality seems to have been looking forward to. PP, you sound a lot like my sister. Wishing people I’ll or a reality check because they are unusually skilled or gifted on a particular area.
you want a cookie. Who cares, none of this matters. You were going to work your ass off regardless of going to TJ or not and be successful regardless
That's the point idiots
DP. Kids who aren't challenged in school often don't know how to work their asses off. They don't know how to handle challenges or adversity, and when they finally encounter them, they fail spectacularly. Many kids who were never challenged in school and earned easy As develop imposter syndrome in grad school.
-signed, highly gifted child who got their ass kicked in grad school by the kids with less rote intelligence who knew how to study, how to ask for help, how to handle working their asses off and getting a B, and how to regroup after a setback.
It's cute that you're calling everyone else an idiot, when it's clear that you know nothing at all about gifted education.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 12:52
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:I am academically smart, very high IQ tests (161), and work my ass off. When I want to work primarily for money, I have historically made $1-1.4 million annually. When I’ve chosen to work primarily for the mission of an organization, I make about $300,000, equally working my ass off. I have never, never, had a supervisor/boss anything other than thrilled I work on their teams, and honestly I’ve rarely had a “boss”. My sister has been half-joking that I’ll have a “reality check” when I have to go out into the “real world”. Turns out that, no, my “world”, which is really just one world with people having different experiences/needs/responsibilities, there’s no comeuppance that she in actuality seems to have been looking forward to. PP, you sound a lot like my sister. Wishing people I’ll or a reality check because they are unusually skilled or gifted on a particular area.
I had an IQ measured at 146 (school-ordered assessment, not something my family paid for). I'm in academia so my paycheck isn't astronomically high, although like you, everywhere I've worked (both in academia and industry), the team has been happy to have me. I don't have any significant experience with oppressive management.
I do have plenty of experience hearing about "social skills" and "reality checks" from people who'd prefer to think that achievement and academic effort shouldn't matter.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 12:43
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am academically smart, very high IQ tests (161), and work my ass off. When I want to work primarily for money, I have historically made $1-1.4 million annually. When I’ve chosen to work primarily for the mission of an organization, I make about $300,000, equally working my ass off. I have never, never, had a supervisor/boss anything other than thrilled I work on their teams, and honestly I’ve rarely had a “boss”. My sister has been half-joking that I’ll have a “reality check” when I have to go out into the “real world”. Turns out that, no, my “world”, which is really just one world with people having different experiences/needs/responsibilities, there’s no comeuppance that she in actuality seems to have been looking forward to. PP, you sound a lot like my sister. Wishing people I’ll or a reality check because they are unusually skilled or gifted on a particular area.
you want a cookie. Who cares, none of this matters. You were going to work your ass off regardless of going to TJ or not and be successful regardless
That's the point idiots
What's your point, genius?
Anonymous
06/12/2022 12:23
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:I am academically smart, very high IQ tests (161), and work my ass off. When I want to work primarily for money, I have historically made $1-1.4 million annually. When I’ve chosen to work primarily for the mission of an organization, I make about $300,000, equally working my ass off. I have never, never, had a supervisor/boss anything other than thrilled I work on their teams, and honestly I’ve rarely had a “boss”. My sister has been half-joking that I’ll have a “reality check” when I have to go out into the “real world”. Turns out that, no, my “world”, which is really just one world with people having different experiences/needs/responsibilities, there’s no comeuppance that she in actuality seems to have been looking forward to. PP, you sound a lot like my sister. Wishing people I’ll or a reality check because they are unusually skilled or gifted on a particular area.
you want a cookie. Who cares, none of this matters. You were going to work your ass off regardless of going to TJ or not and be successful regardless
That's the point idiots
Anonymous
06/12/2022 12:04
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
I am academically smart, very high IQ tests (161), and work my ass off. When I want to work primarily for money, I have historically made $1-1.4 million annually. When I’ve chosen to work primarily for the mission of an organization, I make about $300,000, equally working my ass off. I have never, never, had a supervisor/boss anything other than thrilled I work on their teams, and honestly I’ve rarely had a “boss”. My sister has been half-joking that I’ll have a “reality check” when I have to go out into the “real world”. Turns out that, no, my “world”, which is really just one world with people having different experiences/needs/responsibilities, there’s no comeuppance that she in actuality seems to have been looking forward to. PP, you sound a lot like my sister. Wishing people I’ll or a reality check because they are unusually skilled or gifted on a particular area.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 11:33
Subject: TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
We are having a national war on merit in the misguided name of “equity.”. How stupid it is! America’s decline is accelerated.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 11:29
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
And plenty of gifted kids do little with those gifts or end up in fields that don’t use those gifts. They are bored in school and develop poor work habits because too much is easy for them. They do not learn how to apply themselves or work hard because too much is easy for them early on. They don’t develop persistence because they are not challenged early enough. I know plenty of bright and gifted kids like this.
Which is why solid programs are needed for kids who are very bright or gifted. They need to be challenged at an early age so they continue to engage in school and learn how to use their abilities.
But there needs to be a balance so that they develop good social skills and the ability to work with other people. It is a hard balance to achieve.
Which is why solid programs are needed for kids who are very bright or gifted. They need to be challenged at an early age so they continue to engage in school and learn how to use their abilities.
But there needs to be a balance so that they develop good social skills and the ability to work with other people. It is a hard balance to achieve.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 11:10
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:humm seems we are philosophical now
Here's my 2 cents
None of this matters
All of the AAP/TJ kids will still have to go get a job and have bosses and deal with society
There are plenty of people out here who are smarter than their bosses. The sooner kids deal with reality that the rest of the world doesn't care how "smart" they are the better.
Here's my 2 cents. Gifted, motivated kids will generally get a PhD or some other advanced degree. They will not necessarily "go get a job and have bosses and deal with society." Some will enter academia and become college professors. Some will enter STEM based companies where they will be team leads and have a fair amount of autonomy. Some will be medical doctors with their own practices or lawyers who will quickly make partner in their firms. People who are gifted and motivated tend to do quite well. They're generally not just cogs in the machine who have jobs and bosses and deal with society.
On a global level, it's important to develop our talent to the utmost. China and Russia certainly are.
Clearly, you hate achievement and will twist yourself into a pretzel as to why effort and achievement are bad things that don't matter.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 08:46
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:humm seems we are philosophical now
Here's my 2 cents
None of this matters
All of the AAP/TJ kids will still have to go get a job and have bosses and deal with society
There are plenty of people out here who are smarter than their bosses. The sooner kids deal with reality that the rest of the world doesn't care how "smart" they are the better.
Haha. Very true.
Anonymous
06/12/2022 08:45
Subject: Re:TJ admissions now verifying free and reduced price meal status for successful 2026 applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you hire at your company do you hire the best applicant or the one the deserves it...
The county's mission is to educate the public and was funded by taxes so your analogy doesn't stand up. However, it can also be argued they are selecting the best especially since they made an effort to negate the effects of these expensive prep schools which skewing admission to make mediocre applicants appear gifted.
after so many discussions, there are still people using the prep test as the excuse. It is the looser's logic.
It is ok to cancel the prep test. The capable kids are still capable. They only fail with the ugly geographic quota admission policy.
I am not proponent of prepping, but I am sure you know that its unavoidable. Earlier kids used to prep for math and science and now they are prepping for essays since essays alone pretty much decide the admission in this new process. Prep centers already started creative writing classes and I know at least a few who got private writing coaches just for TJ essays. Ultimately TJ shifted from stem to just writing focus i.e. just need decent grades and very impressive essays and nothing else is actually required or considered.
+ 1
The strong supporters of the new process, are you really under the impression that new process is actually effective at identifying the 'real' stem talent in TJ aspirants? Just read on another thread that kids with 6 stem electives, stem after-school activities and awards along with perfect grades didn't get in, possibly because they didn't have impressive essays - assuming its true, is this how we would like to see TJ in the future? I believe these kids are likely from logfellow/rcms/rockyrun centers where pretty much everyone has 3.8+ gpa, essays will be a deciding factor (600 of 900 points are decided by essays), especially since electives/after-school stuff isn't taken into consideration.
What’s wrong with prepping? Why the opportunities should be given to student who do not even want to spend efforts preparing for something he/she want so badly? You need to prepare for audition, final exam, university admission, job interview, and many others, right?
Because not everyone can afford the prep courses or had parents that put them in Saturday school starting at age 3. Also, I thought we wanted to identify gifted kids. Prepped and gifted are not the same.
This logic is totally wrong.
It is not appropriate to say prepping is wrong just because you cannot afford it. It's ok to seek help from others. It is not ok to ask others to stop what they are doing just because you cannot do it or you are not willing to do it.
I’m sorry that your child is prepped not gifted. It’s ok as long as your child is ok being prepped and with the workload. If your child has the interest and the drive, that’s great! If you are forcing it and breaking your child for your own ego, you suck.
It will probably make you disappointed. My child has IQ above 145.
people who are smarter than you usually also work harder than you.
It's your imagination but not the truth about the part forcing child to do anything.
stay unprepared and wait for the mercy of geographic diversity. It's your choice and that's absolutely ok, even though it is a little bit shame.
Was that a school assessment? Or one that you bought privately?