Anonymous
10/16/2023 07:53
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
What is their end goal? Which areas?
Or is “we will push as far as we can”?
Probably seeing how much resistance Ukraine has left. If they can still resist effectively, it will probably just be a fall/winter of attrition. If Ukraine starts to get rolled up though, you might see a more ambitious assault.
Yes,
I meant their goals, not what they achieve in reality. Do they want to take some or all of Ukraine?
Like, if they are able to sign the peace treaty now, would they stop? Or they need more?
I’ve been very unclear from the beginning.
They have been referencing "historical Russian lands" a lot lately, which would include the four referendum oblasts, as well as Odessa and Nikolaev. I take this as their minimal goals at this point.
That would leave a land-locked Ukraine, which given their penchant for attacking Russian shipping lately makes sense. It would also link up Transnistria by land. It solves a lot of their geo-political challenges, so they will push hard for that.
Ukraine may still be able to stop them short of that goal, but they squandered so much in the doomed counter offensive.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 01:38
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
What is their end goal? Which areas?
Or is “we will push as far as we can”?
Probably seeing how much resistance Ukraine has left. If they can still resist effectively, it will probably just be a fall/winter of attrition. If Ukraine starts to get rolled up though, you might see a more ambitious assault.
Yes,
I meant their goals, not what they achieve in reality. Do they want to take some or all of Ukraine?
Like, if they are able to sign the peace treaty now, would they stop? Or they need more?
I’ve been very unclear from the beginning.
Z is a Jew who is playing with “house money”
It’s gentiles fighting and dying not Z. So he will never offer realistic terms to 🇷🇺
Russia doesn’t want all of Ukraine.
There are various scenarios.
The maximalist scenario is taking Odessa and turning Ukraine into a rump state around Lvov/lviv
The minimalist scenario is current frozen lines as they are
Politically, Ukraine not joint nato and eu are base cases.
Nope. Russia collapses - that is the minimalist scenario.
And Russia’s collapse is guaranteed, demographically.
But we do not need to wait that long. Russia’s ruble was worth 60 US cents in the 70s; today it is worth less than one cent.
And the ruble’s value is still plummeting.
Will China save Russia? Have they helped so far in the war?? (No).
Here is a scenario you forgot PP:
Ukraine takes Tokmak, then reaches the Black Sea, and Crimea is cut off; it is not difficult to destroy the Kerch straight bridge, and Crimea is completely cut off.
Then Russia will have to retreat behind the 2014 border in a humiliating defeat.
That is the likely scenario in Ukraine.
DP. With all due respect, this doesn’t sound realistic now when everyone’s too busy with the Middle East.
Russia may slowly collapse but not in the next year or two. But it may also become a huge Iran minus the headscarves.
Anonymous
10/15/2023 23:43
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
That’s not true.
Ukraine is taking out more of the Black Sea Fleet and continuing offensive operations on land, as well as continuing to defend against Russian attacks on land.
Anonymous
10/15/2023 20:19
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
What is their end goal? Which areas?
Or is “we will push as far as we can”?
Probably seeing how much resistance Ukraine has left. If they can still resist effectively, it will probably just be a fall/winter of attrition. If Ukraine starts to get rolled up though, you might see a more ambitious assault.
Yes,
I meant their goals, not what they achieve in reality. Do they want to take some or all of Ukraine?
Like, if they are able to sign the peace treaty now, would they stop? Or they need more?
I’ve been very unclear from the beginning.
Z is a Jew who is playing with “house money”
It’s gentiles fighting and dying not Z. So he will never offer realistic terms to 🇷🇺
Russia doesn’t want all of Ukraine.
There are various scenarios.
The maximalist scenario is taking Odessa and turning Ukraine into a rump state around Lvov/lviv
The minimalist scenario is current frozen lines as they are
Politically, Ukraine not joint nato and eu are base cases.
Nope. Russia collapses - that is the minimalist scenario.
And Russia’s collapse is guaranteed, demographically.
But we do not need to wait that long. Russia’s ruble was worth 60 US cents in the 70s; today it is worth less than one cent.
And the ruble’s value is still plummeting.
Will China save Russia? Have they helped so far in the war?? (No).
Here is a scenario you forgot PP:
Ukraine takes Tokmak, then reaches the Black Sea, and Crimea is cut off; it is not difficult to destroy the Kerch straight bridge, and Crimea is completely cut off.
Then Russia will have to retreat behind the 2014 border in a humiliating defeat.
That is the likely scenario in Ukraine.
Anonymous
10/15/2023 20:05
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
What is their end goal? Which areas?
Or is “we will push as far as we can”?
Probably seeing how much resistance Ukraine has left. If they can still resist effectively, it will probably just be a fall/winter of attrition. If Ukraine starts to get rolled up though, you might see a more ambitious assault.
Yes,
I meant their goals, not what they achieve in reality. Do they want to take some or all of Ukraine?
Like, if they are able to sign the peace treaty now, would they stop? Or they need more?
I’ve been very unclear from the beginning.
Z is a Jew who is playing with “house money”
It’s gentiles fighting and dying not Z. So he will never offer realistic terms to 🇷🇺
Russia doesn’t want all of Ukraine.
There are various scenarios.
The maximalist scenario is taking Odessa and turning Ukraine into a rump state around Lvov/lviv
The minimalist scenario is current frozen lines as they are
Politically, Ukraine not joint nato and eu are base cases.
Anonymous
10/15/2023 20:03
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
💯
Posted this on the previous page and Ukraine-bots were in denial 😂
🇷🇺 is going to probe and test. What people don’t understand is if ukraine lines crack, it’ll be a quick cascade unless nato/USA gives billions again.
Anonymous
10/15/2023 16:09
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
What is their end goal? Which areas?
Or is “we will push as far as we can”?
Probably seeing how much resistance Ukraine has left. If they can still resist effectively, it will probably just be a fall/winter of attrition. If Ukraine starts to get rolled up though, you might see a more ambitious assault.
Yes,
I meant their goals, not what they achieve in reality. Do they want to take some or all of Ukraine?
Like, if they are able to sign the peace treaty now, would they stop? Or they need more?
I’ve been very unclear from the beginning.
Anonymous
10/15/2023 15:02
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
What is their end goal? Which areas?
Or is “we will push as far as we can”?
Probably seeing how much resistance Ukraine has left. If they can still resist effectively, it will probably just be a fall/winter of attrition. If Ukraine starts to get rolled up though, you might see a more ambitious assault.
Anonymous
10/15/2023 14:47
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
What is their end goal? Which areas?
Or is “we will push as far as we can”?
Anonymous
10/15/2023 14:32
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
It should probably be noted that the counter offensive is officially over. Ukraine is no longer attacking, and Russia has gone on the offensive over a large part of the front.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
Whether they will make many gains, or they will founder just like the Ukrainians remains to be seen.
Anonymous
10/15/2023 08:39
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:You see the big shift in defense and intelligence circles; slink off the Ukraine desk nobody wants to be around for the capitulation phase.
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Anonymous
10/15/2023 08:36
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
You see the big shift in defense and intelligence circles; slink off the Ukraine desk nobody wants to be around for the capitulation phase.
Anonymous
10/14/2023 23:04
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Been to Argentina and it is not that great. Southern part is just as cold as Siberia.
While I hold out hope for Ukraine- it is a tough time for them. They may very well still win; Russia thought the may lose 100 Kia; they are over 100,000 Kia - which is totally awesome. But Ukraine needs to go Israel mode and cut off water, power and food supplies to the invaders. Who are building rail ways like an HO train set on Christmas morning across Easter Ukraine.
Seriously need to blow that up asap.
I don’t think they supply anything
As for the railroads, they need them - the oligarchs need to do their trade, war or not
Anonymous
10/14/2023 22:42
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Been to Argentina and it is not that great. Southern part is just as cold as Siberia.
While I hold out hope for Ukraine- it is a tough time for them. They may very well still win; Russia thought the may lose 100 Kia; they are over 100,000 Kia - which is totally awesome. But Ukraine needs to go Israel mode and cut off water, power and food supplies to the invaders. Who are building rail ways like an HO train set on Christmas morning across Easter Ukraine.
Seriously need to blow that up asap.
While I hold out hope for Ukraine- it is a tough time for them. They may very well still win; Russia thought the may lose 100 Kia; they are over 100,000 Kia - which is totally awesome. But Ukraine needs to go Israel mode and cut off water, power and food supplies to the invaders. Who are building rail ways like an HO train set on Christmas morning across Easter Ukraine.
Seriously need to blow that up asap.
Anonymous
10/14/2023 15:57
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Denmark has 43 F-16s (33 F-16A fighters and 10 two-seat B-model trainers).
19 Ukraine + 24 Argentina = 43.
And why is this a good deal for Denmark? Because they're getting F-35's. Dumba$$ can't do math.
And when is Ukraine supposed to get those 19 F-16s? 2025. How much good will that do them in 2025? But Argentina gets theirs today. So why hold off 2 years for Ukraine but give Argentina theirs today? I guess Argentina has a more pressing need?
Argentinians are hotter - there are hot Ukrainians but have you been to Argentina?