Jews will never recover from what Israel has done in Palestine. World opinion is turning sharply against Israel and the effects will be felt by Jews wherever they live. The USA is an outlier, because Americans are both detached and stupid, but the college students are in the vanguard.

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

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Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-calls-gaza-airstrikes-cruelty-after-israeli-ministers-criticism-2024-12-21/

It is truly and sad and tragic day when the pope has joined the ranks of pro-hamas supporters

This is profound.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-calls-gaza-airstrikes-cruelty-after-israeli-ministers-criticism-2024-12-21/

It is truly and sad and tragic day when the pope has joined the ranks of pro-hamas supporters

You can be disgusted by Israel's cruelty and genocide without being "a pro-Hamas supporter." Your slogans are so stale and stupid that they've become meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

This is an example of the "sociopathy of denial" that we so often see here. It is generally characterized by: lack of empathy, deflection of blame, rationalization, distortion, manipulation, and gaslighting.

Israel has been committing atrocities against Palestinians for decades, and this has been going on since long before October 7.

No this is war.

A war that Hamas started.

If you don't want none, don't start none.

FAFO

FAFO works both ways. Israel's genocide and cruelty in Gaza is FingA, and it will soon find itself FingO. That's the way of the world. Violence breeds violence.

The problem started long before Hamas was founded. From the start, Israel has been a racist, apartheid state that was built on the most brutal and genocidal terrorism. You can't massacre 15,000 people and displace over 700,000, as happened during the Nakba, and not expect pushback. You can't shoot demonstrators with the intent of "breaking bones," lock up political prisoners without trial, assassinate journalists who draw attention to your violations of international law, brutalize Palestinians in the West Bank (including stealing their homes), slaughter tens of thousands of innocent people, and cause some multiple of that to die of starvation, thirst, disease, or exposure without some sort of retaliation.

Israel is only fanning the fuels of resistance.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-calls-gaza-airstrikes-cruelty-after-israeli-ministers-criticism-2024-12-21/

It is truly and sad and tragic day when the pope has joined the ranks of pro-hamas supporters

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

This is an example of the "sociopathy of denial" that we so often see here. It is generally characterized by: lack of empathy, deflection of blame, rationalization, distortion, manipulation, and gaslighting.

Israel has been committing atrocities against Palestinians for decades, and this has been going on since long before October 7.

No this is war.

A war that Hamas started.

If you don't want none, don't start none.

FAFO

Right principle but the country finding out is not what you think.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

Huh? In your world view once cannot express sympathy and sorrow for people going through the horrors of living a second winter displaced from their homes, without enough to eat, and in fear every day (since time and time again Israel is striking where they said they would not strike before)?

Can you take a moment to reflect on how this point of view may be the problem?

Unfortunately unlike the Nakba which Israel also did/does not want the world discussing, here the suffering is being shown in photos/videos in front of our eyes. There is no hiding it.

I am happy to also express my sympathy for others who are suffering. I feel badly for the hostages’ families but if one is weighing the level of harm, these families get to sleep safely in a warm bed tonight whereas the families of detained Palestinians do not.

Bottom line, the suffering is self-imposed. No Oct. 7, no suffering. Raise, support, vote for, shelter, hide terrorists, and this is what happens. Engage in terror and yes the terrorists will be killed or detained. No sympathy, no empathy for them. Live peacefully and then we can have a converation about a way forward.

Like in the West Bank? Where living peacefully has led to all sorts of productive conversations about ways to move forward?

This is an area where it is reasonable to criticize Israel and pressure Israel to reach some sort of mutually agreeable resolution.
But the last time Israel backed out of settlements, Hamas moved in.
So, understandably Israel is wary of doing that again.

I think they should slowly naturalize the west bank palestinians unless they are ready to take on the ultra orthodox jews because they do not look like they will ever stop being dicks about it.

You can't separate out Gaza and the West Bank like that. Palestinians are from Gaza, they are also from the West Bank. To disregard what happens in the West Bank as not impacting the people in Gaza, and vice versa, is ridiculous.

Palestinians have families and friends in both areas. Gaza is literally less than 30 miles away from the West Bank.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

Huh? In your world view once cannot express sympathy and sorrow for people going through the horrors of living a second winter displaced from their homes, without enough to eat, and in fear every day (since time and time again Israel is striking where they said they would not strike before)?

Can you take a moment to reflect on how this point of view may be the problem?

Unfortunately unlike the Nakba which Israel also did/does not want the world discussing, here the suffering is being shown in photos/videos in front of our eyes. There is no hiding it.

I am happy to also express my sympathy for others who are suffering. I feel badly for the hostages’ families but if one is weighing the level of harm, these families get to sleep safely in a warm bed tonight whereas the families of detained Palestinians do not.

Bottom line, the suffering is self-imposed. No Oct. 7, no suffering. Raise, support, vote for, shelter, hide terrorists, and this is what happens. Engage in terror and yes the terrorists will be killed or detained. No sympathy, no empathy for them. Live peacefully and then we can have a converation about a way forward.

Like in the West Bank? Where living peacefully has led to all sorts of productive conversations about ways to move forward?

This is an area where it is reasonable to criticize Israel and pressure Israel to reach some sort of mutually agreeable resolution.
But the last time Israel backed out of settlements, Hamas moved in.
So, understandably Israel is wary of doing that again.

I think they should slowly naturalize the west bank palestinians unless they are ready to take on the ultra orthodox jews because they do not look like they will ever stop being dicks about it.

But what is happeneing in Gaza is war.
A war Hamas started.

FAFO

ETA FAFO et al.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

Huh? In your world view once cannot express sympathy and sorrow for people going through the horrors of living a second winter displaced from their homes, without enough to eat, and in fear every day (since time and time again Israel is striking where they said they would not strike before)?

Can you take a moment to reflect on how this point of view may be the problem?

Unfortunately unlike the Nakba which Israel also did/does not want the world discussing, here the suffering is being shown in photos/videos in front of our eyes. There is no hiding it.

I am happy to also express my sympathy for others who are suffering. I feel badly for the hostages’ families but if one is weighing the level of harm, these families get to sleep safely in a warm bed tonight whereas the families of detained Palestinians do not.

Bottom line, the suffering is self-imposed. No Oct. 7, no suffering. Raise, support, vote for, shelter, hide terrorists, and this is what happens. Engage in terror and yes the terrorists will be killed or detained. No sympathy, no empathy for them. Live peacefully and then we can have a converation about a way forward.

Like in the West Bank? Where living peacefully has led to all sorts of productive conversations about ways to move forward?

This is an area where it is reasonable to criticize Israel and pressure Israel to reach some sort of mutually agreeable resolution.
But the last time Israel backed out of settlements, Hamas moved in.
So, understandably Israel is wary of doing that again.

I think they should slowly naturalize the west bank palestinians unless they are ready to take on the ultra orthodox jews because they do not look like they will ever stop being dicks about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

Huh? In your world view once cannot express sympathy and sorrow for people going through the horrors of living a second winter displaced from their homes, without enough to eat, and in fear every day (since time and time again Israel is striking where they said they would not strike before)?

Can you take a moment to reflect on how this point of view may be the problem?

Unfortunately unlike the Nakba which Israel also did/does not want the world discussing, here the suffering is being shown in photos/videos in front of our eyes. There is no hiding it.

I am happy to also express my sympathy for others who are suffering. I feel badly for the hostages’ families but if one is weighing the level of harm, these families get to sleep safely in a warm bed tonight whereas the families of detained Palestinians do not.

Bottom line, the suffering is self-imposed. No Oct. 7, no suffering. Raise, support, vote for, shelter, hide terrorists, and this is what happens. Engage in terror and yes the terrorists will be killed or detained. No sympathy, no empathy for them. Live peacefully and then we can have a converation about a way forward.

Like in the West Bank? Where living peacefully has led to all sorts of productive conversations about ways to move forward?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

He speaks on behalf of 1.4 billion people.

1,400,000,000

You? You’re just a racist, Islamophobic anti-semite who conflates the actions of Hamas with all Gazans, apparently.

That's not islamophobioc. That's war. War is hell.

Nazis were only a small part of the german popuation but we bombed the whole country.
Same with the japanese imperialists and the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki.

Israel is prosecutig a war. A war that hamas started.

FAFO

It's not Islamaphobia because they're also targeting Christians.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

This is an example of the "sociopathy of denial" that we so often see here. It is generally characterized by: lack of empathy, deflection of blame, rationalization, distortion, manipulation, and gaslighting.

Israel has been committing atrocities against Palestinians for decades, and this has been going on since long before October 7.

No this is war.

A war that Hamas started.

If you don't want none, don't start none.

FAFO