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Anonymous wrote:I found Tinsley's reaction to Bethenny when Bethenny was in the pool and trying to confide in her pretty interesting. Her eyes were kind of darting around and she looked uncomfortable and couldn't get out of there fast enough.

It reminded me of some BS middle school/high school drama where you get caught talking to the one all your friends are being mean to. And you feel kind of bad for said person, but you also know if you are seen talking to her or seeming sympathetic, it will be social suicide.

These women are awful. I'm not saying Bethenny is any walk in the park, but the mean girls are clearly LOVING watching her flail. Especially Ramona. Dorinda and Carole are the head mean girls. Tinsley is just happy to be in the group. And Ramona is the one that no one really likes, but they let her stay in the group to have more numbers.

You know what, though? Bethenny did not make a single overture of friendship or connection with Tinsley. She was pretty stand-offish with her from the get-go. There's no goodwill or trust there, because Bethenny wouldn't give Tinsley the time of day when Tinsley was the one in a vulnerable position.

Bethenny's trying to make withdrawals, but she's invested NOTHING in some of these accounts! Now, can she reasonably expect LuAnn and Sonja and Dorinda to somewhat be compassionate and kind to her, even when they're not on the best of terms? Yes. Because there's been SOME give there, and not just take. Tinsley's looking at Bethenny like she's a stranger in the pool, crying because...she's a stranger in the pool, crying.

I am the one you are responding to. I think this is a very fair point. However, in that very human moment Tinsley could have either take the moment to connect or not. And she chose not to, to me very obviously out of loyalty to the mean girl club.

I actually have more respect for Carole just icing B out completely. Dorinda plays both sides. Pretends to be her friend and then blows her up behind her back.

I see your point, but from where I sit, even Bethenny's "very human" moments are extraordinarily calculated. Why do I think that? Because she uses her tears. She films herself walking through her old apartment that she shared with Jason--that wasn't on RHONY cameras, that was on her own, personal camera, and she shared it with the world. Ditto when her dog, Cookie, died. Those weren't RHONY cameras rolling, that was her deliberately making a public movie of herself sobbing after her dog's death. It's so narcissistic and calculated and gross. At least peeing on a stick for her pregnancy with Bryn was a RHONY camera, like a legitimate part of the show.

So Bethenny sobbing does not necessarily a human moment make, and I think Tinsley knows and feels that. That being said, it would have been a better move *for the show* for Tinsley to throw Bethenny a bone in that moment, and a smarter cast member probably would have done so. At least Dorinda seems to know what time it is, and how much the audience actually wants of drama vs. reconciliation.

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Anonymous wrote:I found Tinsley's reaction to Bethenny when Bethenny was in the pool and trying to confide in her pretty interesting. Her eyes were kind of darting around and she looked uncomfortable and couldn't get out of there fast enough.

It reminded me of some BS middle school/high school drama where you get caught talking to the one all your friends are being mean to. And you feel kind of bad for said person, but you also know if you are seen talking to her or seeming sympathetic, it will be social suicide.

These women are awful. I'm not saying Bethenny is any walk in the park, but the mean girls are clearly LOVING watching her flail. Especially Ramona. Dorinda and Carole are the head mean girls. Tinsley is just happy to be in the group. And Ramona is the one that no one really likes, but they let her stay in the group to have more numbers.

You know what, though? Bethenny did not make a single overture of friendship or connection with Tinsley. She was pretty stand-offish with her from the get-go. There's no goodwill or trust there, because Bethenny wouldn't give Tinsley the time of day when Tinsley was the one in a vulnerable position.

Bethenny's trying to make withdrawals, but she's invested NOTHING in some of these accounts! Now, can she reasonably expect LuAnn and Sonja and Dorinda to somewhat be compassionate and kind to her, even when they're not on the best of terms? Yes. Because there's been SOME give there, and not just take. Tinsley's looking at Bethenny like she's a stranger in the pool, crying because...she's a stranger in the pool, crying.

I am the one you are responding to. I think this is a very fair point. However, in that very human moment Tinsley could have either take the moment to connect or not. And she chose not to, to me very obviously out of loyalty to the mean girl club.

I actually have more respect for Carole just icing B out completely. Dorinda plays both sides. Pretends to be her friend and then blows her up behind her back.

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Anonymous wrote:I found Tinsley's reaction to Bethenny when Bethenny was in the pool and trying to confide in her pretty interesting. Her eyes were kind of darting around and she looked uncomfortable and couldn't get out of there fast enough.

It reminded me of some BS middle school/high school drama where you get caught talking to the one all your friends are being mean to. And you feel kind of bad for said person, but you also know if you are seen talking to her or seeming sympathetic, it will be social suicide.

These women are awful. I'm not saying Bethenny is any walk in the park, but the mean girls are clearly LOVING watching her flail. Especially Ramona. Dorinda and Carole are the head mean girls. Tinsley is just happy to be in the group. And Ramona is the one that no one really likes, but they let her stay in the group to have more numbers.

You know what, though? Bethenny did not make a single overture of friendship or connection with Tinsley. She was pretty stand-offish with her from the get-go. There's no goodwill or trust there, because Bethenny wouldn't give Tinsley the time of day when Tinsley was the one in a vulnerable position.

Bethenny's trying to make withdrawals, but she's invested NOTHING in some of these accounts! Now, can she reasonably expect LuAnn and Sonja and Dorinda to somewhat be compassionate and kind to her, even when they're not on the best of terms? Yes. Because there's been SOME give there, and not just take. Tinsley's looking at Bethenny like she's a stranger in the pool, crying because...she's a stranger in the pool, crying.

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Anonymous wrote:B has made more money than she will ever need. Nothing lasts forever but her ride with Skinnygirl will keep her comfortable forever. Plus she's a smart cookie, very sharp and likely will thinking up the next big thing. Carole is insanely jealous of B. So obvious.

True, but B's jealous of Carole right back. Money can buy you a lot, but it can't buy you Kennedy connections. You think B hasn't salivated over the photos of Carole attending black-tie events with John F. Kennedy, Jr., and doesn't listen with great interest whenever Carole mentions Mrs. Radziwill? Bethenny's books and even her novels are full of outsider-looking-in encounters with celebrities. She craves fame, but there's only a certain kind of fame that she has attained.

NP I do not agree at all. Carole was considered by most in that clan to be a "hanger oner". She is loathed by that bunch now that she has crossed over to the dark side of reality TV but keeps that Kennedy association in her pocket to remind people that at one point she was relevant.
How do I know? My sister went to school and is still very good friends with one of them. They vacation together, she was her maid of honor, etc...so yes we get a lot of the inside scoop.

I think Carole comes across extremely insecure and threatened by Bethanny's admittedly "tough shell". C is trying out a new personality and to say it is not faring well is a major understatement. From her horrible and tasteless clothing choices (that only a 22 year old could get away with) to her mean girl antics right down to how she picks a friend of the month and brown noses them to no end is very off putting.

She is no prize in the girlfriend or friend dept. Adam made a very wise decision in moving on. She almost looked like she could be his mother.

OK.

Well whether or not it is genuine/true, the public perceives that Carole is closely linked with the Kennedys. "What Remains" is something she can always hang her hat on, whether or not some people thought it was appropriate to share the memories she did. (At least it was very well written!) The thing is, Bethenny cannot even pretend or make a claim to that kind of wealth, that kind of legacy. Because you can't buy it. She can buy her way into a lot of amazing things in this life, but at the end of the day, she doesn't have a seat at certain kinds of tables. And you can tell by the defensive way that she writes about insiders and celebrities and exclusive people and places that that is exactly what she wishes she could have.

Can you give any specific examples of this? I am sad to admit I've watched this show since the beginning and I have no idea what you're talking about in relation to B.

I don't think she's jealous of Carole at all. Because 20 years ago she was "inside" the Kennedy clan? That doesn't even pass the laugh test.

Anonymous wrote:I found Tinsley's reaction to Bethenny when Bethenny was in the pool and trying to confide in her pretty interesting. Her eyes were kind of darting around and she looked uncomfortable and couldn't get out of there fast enough.

It reminded me of some BS middle school/high school drama where you get caught talking to the one all your friends are being mean to. And you feel kind of bad for said person, but you also know if you are seen talking to her or seeming sympathetic, it will be social suicide.

These women are awful. I'm not saying Bethenny is any walk in the park, but the mean girls are clearly LOVING watching her flail. Especially Ramona. Dorinda and Carole are the head mean girls. Tinsley is just happy to be in the group. And Ramona is the one that no one really likes, but they let her stay in the group to have more numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:B has made more money than she will ever need. Nothing lasts forever but her ride with Skinnygirl will keep her comfortable forever. Plus she's a smart cookie, very sharp and likely will thinking up the next big thing. Carole is insanely jealous of B. So obvious.

True, but B's jealous of Carole right back. Money can buy you a lot, but it can't buy you Kennedy connections. You think B hasn't salivated over the photos of Carole attending black-tie events with John F. Kennedy, Jr., and doesn't listen with great interest whenever Carole mentions Mrs. Radziwill? Bethenny's books and even her novels are full of outsider-looking-in encounters with celebrities. She craves fame, but there's only a certain kind of fame that she has attained.

NP I do not agree at all. Carole was considered by most in that clan to be a "hanger oner". She is loathed by that bunch now that she has crossed over to the dark side of reality TV but keeps that Kennedy association in her pocket to remind people that at one point she was relevant.
How do I know? My sister went to school and is still very good friends with one of them. They vacation together, she was her maid of honor, etc...so yes we get a lot of the inside scoop.

I think Carole comes across extremely insecure and threatened by Bethanny's admittedly "tough shell". C is trying out a new personality and to say it is not faring well is a major understatement. From her horrible and tasteless clothing choices (that only a 22 year old could get away with) to her mean girl antics right down to how she picks a friend of the month and brown noses them to no end is very off putting.

She is no prize in the girlfriend or friend dept. Adam made a very wise decision in moving on. She almost looked like she could be his mother.

OK.

Well whether or not it is genuine/true, the public perceives that Carole is closely linked with the Kennedys. "What Remains" is something she can always hang her hat on, whether or not some people thought it was appropriate to share the memories she did. (At least it was very well written!) The thing is, Bethenny cannot even pretend or make a claim to that kind of wealth, that kind of legacy. Because you can't buy it. She can buy her way into a lot of amazing things in this life, but at the end of the day, she doesn't have a seat at certain kinds of tables. And you can tell by the defensive way that she writes about insiders and celebrities and exclusive people and places that that is exactly what she wishes she could have.

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Anonymous wrote:B has made more money than she will ever need. Nothing lasts forever but her ride with Skinnygirl will keep her comfortable forever. Plus she's a smart cookie, very sharp and likely will thinking up the next big thing. Carole is insanely jealous of B. So obvious.

True, but B's jealous of Carole right back. Money can buy you a lot, but it can't buy you Kennedy connections. You think B hasn't salivated over the photos of Carole attending black-tie events with John F. Kennedy, Jr., and doesn't listen with great interest whenever Carole mentions Mrs. Radziwill? Bethenny's books and even her novels are full of outsider-looking-in encounters with celebrities. She craves fame, but there's only a certain kind of fame that she has attained.

NP I do not agree at all. Carole was considered by most in that clan to be a "hanger oner". She is loathed by that bunch now that she has crossed over to the dark side of reality TV but keeps that Kennedy association in her pocket to remind people that at one point she was relevant.
How do I know? My sister went to school and is still very good friends with one of them. They vacation together, she was her maid of honor, etc...so yes we get a lot of the inside scoop.

I think Carole comes across extremely insecure and threatened by Bethanny's admittedly "tough shell". C is trying out a new personality and to say it is not faring well is a major understatement. From her horrible and tasteless clothing choices (that only a 22 year old could get away with) to her mean girl antics right down to how she picks a friend of the month and brown noses them to no end is very off putting.

She is no prize in the girlfriend or friend dept. Adam made a very wise decision in moving on. She almost looked like she could be his mother.

OK.

Well whether or not it is genuine/true, the public perceives that Carole is closely linked with the Kennedys. "What Remains" is something she can always hang her hat on, whether or not some people thought it was appropriate to share the memories she did. (At least it was very well written!) The thing is, Bethenny cannot even pretend or make a claim to that kind of wealth, that kind of legacy. Because you can't buy it. She can buy her way into a lot of amazing things in this life, but at the end of the day, she doesn't have a seat at certain kinds of tables. And you can tell by the defensive way that she writes about insiders and celebrities and exclusive people and places that that is exactly what she wishes she could have.

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Anonymous wrote:I found Tinsley's reaction to Bethenny when Bethenny was in the pool and trying to confide in her pretty interesting. Her eyes were kind of darting around and she looked uncomfortable and couldn't get out of there fast enough.

It reminded me of some BS middle school/high school drama where you get caught talking to the one all your friends are being mean to. And you feel kind of bad for said person, but you also know if you are seen talking to her or seeming sympathetic, it will be social suicide.

These women are awful. I'm not saying Bethenny is any walk in the park, but the mean girls are clearly LOVING watching her flail. Especially Ramona. Dorinda and Carole are the head mean girls. Tinsley is just happy to be in the group. And Ramona is the one that no one really likes, but they let her stay in the group to have more numbers.

Agree with all of this.

B is not perfect by any stretch but I was in a high conflict relationship and I feel for her with that restraining order ending. And last season it was Carole telling everyone how nasty Jason was to B so you'd think she'd have more empathy. But, B is a producer so maybe it's being editing to make Carole more of a villain than she is.

All of B's relationships are "high conflict." Who's the common denominator?

I think Carole was really hurt by B's attitude toward Adam, and she can't feel the same way about B now. Not everyone wants their exes to be trashed and burned because the relationship ends. I think B thought she was saying something that Carole would like to hear, like "Let me tak s*** about your ex," but by calling him an "operator," she was lending credence to LuAnn's dig that Adam was never really into Carole and was using her for all those years. Maybe he was, but by B bringing that back into the storyline, and agreeing with Luann, she hurt Carole and I don't blame Carole for not wanting to be BFFs any longer.

Tinsley isn't a mean girl. She's not calculating in that way. She's never had to be. But she definitely is a "surface" person, and she's not comfortable with others' emotions or troubles. That's why she was uncomfortable. She doesn't want to know about your problems, she's too busy being carefree. She's not the one to call when you need to be bailed out at 4 am.

Ramona clearly delights in B being in pain, but she's like that with everyone. Ramona is a terrible person. Always has been.

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Anonymous wrote:B has made more money than she will ever need. Nothing lasts forever but her ride with Skinnygirl will keep her comfortable forever. Plus she's a smart cookie, very sharp and likely will thinking up the next big thing. Carole is insanely jealous of B. So obvious.

True, but B's jealous of Carole right back. Money can buy you a lot, but it can't buy you Kennedy connections. You think B hasn't salivated over the photos of Carole attending black-tie events with John F. Kennedy, Jr., and doesn't listen with great interest whenever Carole mentions Mrs. Radziwill? Bethenny's books and even her novels are full of outsider-looking-in encounters with celebrities. She craves fame, but there's only a certain kind of fame that she has attained.

NP I do not agree at all. Carole was considered by most in that clan to be a "hanger oner". She is loathed by that bunch now that she has crossed over to the dark side of reality TV but keeps that Kennedy association in her pocket to remind people that at one point she was relevant.
How do I know? My sister went to school and is still very good friends with one of them. They vacation together, she was her maid of honor, etc...so yes we get a lot of the inside scoop.

I think Carole comes across extremely insecure and threatened by Bethanny's admittedly "tough shell". C is trying out a new personality and to say it is not faring well is a major understatement. From her horrible and tasteless clothing choices (that only a 22 year old could get away with) to her mean girl antics right down to how she picks a friend of the month and brown noses them to no end is very off putting.

She is no prize in the girlfriend or friend dept. Adam made a very wise decision in moving on. She almost looked like she could be his mother.

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Anonymous wrote:I found Tinsley's reaction to Bethenny when Bethenny was in the pool and trying to confide in her pretty interesting. Her eyes were kind of darting around and she looked uncomfortable and couldn't get out of there fast enough.

It reminded me of some BS middle school/high school drama where you get caught talking to the one all your friends are being mean to. And you feel kind of bad for said person, but you also know if you are seen talking to her or seeming sympathetic, it will be social suicide.

These women are awful. I'm not saying Bethenny is any walk in the park, but the mean girls are clearly LOVING watching her flail. Especially Ramona. Dorinda and Carole are the head mean girls. Tinsley is just happy to be in the group. And Ramona is the one that no one really likes, but they let her stay in the group to have more numbers.

Agree with all of this.

B is not perfect by any stretch but I was in a high conflict relationship and I feel for her with that restraining order ending. And last season it was Carole telling everyone how nasty Jason was to B so you'd think she'd have more empathy. But, B is a producer so maybe it's being editing to make Carole more of a villain than she is.

Anonymous wrote:I found Tinsley's reaction to Bethenny when Bethenny was in the pool and trying to confide in her pretty interesting. Her eyes were kind of darting around and she looked uncomfortable and couldn't get out of there fast enough.

It reminded me of some BS middle school/high school drama where you get caught talking to the one all your friends are being mean to. And you feel kind of bad for said person, but you also know if you are seen talking to her or seeming sympathetic, it will be social suicide.

These women are awful. I'm not saying Bethenny is any walk in the park, but the mean girls are clearly LOVING watching her flail. Especially Ramona. Dorinda and Carole are the head mean girls. Tinsley is just happy to be in the group. And Ramona is the one that no one really likes, but they let her stay in the group to have more numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:B has made more money than she will ever need. Nothing lasts forever but her ride with Skinnygirl will keep her comfortable forever. Plus she's a smart cookie, very sharp and likely will thinking up the next big thing. Carole is insanely jealous of B. So obvious.

True, but B's jealous of Carole right back. Money can buy you a lot, but it can't buy you Kennedy connections. You think B hasn't salivated over the photos of Carole attending black-tie events with John F. Kennedy, Jr., and doesn't listen with great interest whenever Carole mentions Mrs. Radziwill? Bethenny's books and even her novels are full of outsider-looking-in encounters with celebrities. She craves fame, but there's only a certain kind of fame that she has attained.

NP I do not agree at all. Carole was considered by most in that clan to be a "hanger oner". She is loathed by that bunch now that she has crossed over to the dark side of reality TV but keeps that Kennedy association in her pocket to remind people that at one point she was relevant.
How do I know? My sister went to school and is still very good friends with one of them. They vacation together, she was her maid of honor, etc...so yes we get a lot of the inside scoop.

I think Carole comes across extremely insecure and threatened by Bethanny's admittedly "tough shell". C is trying out a new personality and to say it is not faring well is a major understatement. From her horrible and tasteless clothing choices (that only a 22 year old could get away with) to her mean girl antics right down to how she picks a friend of the month and brown noses them to no end is very off putting.

She is no prize in the girlfriend or friend dept. Adam made a very wise decision in moving on. She almost looked like she could be his mother.

Then why is B always crying about it? Sad. I think she's pretty pathetic and obviously the one who can't maintain relationships. She was raised by sow mine with a personality disorder. The apple doesn't fall far.

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Anonymous wrote:B has made more money than she will ever need. Nothing lasts forever but her ride with Skinnygirl will keep her comfortable forever. Plus she's a smart cookie, very sharp and likely will thinking up the next big thing. Carole is insanely jealous of B. So obvious.

True, but B's jealous of Carole right back. Money can buy you a lot, but it can't buy you Kennedy connections. You think B hasn't salivated over the photos of Carole attending black-tie events with John F. Kennedy, Jr., and doesn't listen with great interest whenever Carole mentions Mrs. Radziwill? Bethenny's books and even her novels are full of outsider-looking-in encounters with celebrities. She craves fame, but there's only a certain kind of fame that she has attained.

NP I do not agree at all. Carole was considered by most in that clan to be a "hanger oner". She is loathed by that bunch now that she has crossed over to the dark side of reality TV but keeps that Kennedy association in her pocket to remind people that at one point she was relevant.
How do I know? My sister went to school and is still very good friends with one of them. They vacation together, she was her maid of honor, etc...so yes we get a lot of the inside scoop.

I think Carole comes across extremely insecure and threatened by Bethanny's admittedly "tough shell". C is trying out a new personality and to say it is not faring well is a major understatement. From her horrible and tasteless clothing choices (that only a 22 year old could get away with) to her mean girl antics right down to how she picks a friend of the month and brown noses them to no end is very off putting.

She is no prize in the girlfriend or friend dept. Adam made a very wise decision in moving on. She almost looked like she could be his mother.