Anonymous wrote:I would have installed a home alarm with window/door alarms and kept the code to myself. Also would have taken the phone away. My kid can hate me - that’s fine.

Anonymous wrote:I would have installed a home alarm with window/door alarms and kept the code to myself. Also would have taken the phone away. My kid can hate me - that’s fine.

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Anonymous wrote:So kid goes to an intense therapeutic school with a staff ratio of 1:3, counseling, family services, etc. The school is staffed with highly trained professionals. Apparently no one at the school believes he was a danger to himself or others because, had they identified this, they would have been obligated to take action, which would have led to involuntary commitment. Even though these highly trained people didn’t see him as a danger, people here think his parents should have figured it out. I find that unbelievable and ridiculous. How can the parents be expected to figure out something that the professionals who see him for hours and hours a Day didn’t see.

Reading about the school also makes me wonder about the gun. Programs such as this advise parents to make their homes safe if their child is even remotely at risk for self harm or violence. It seems inconsistent for parents to invest the time and Mo wh into a school like this and then disregard a recommendation to make their home safe.

The boys parents knew he was unstable and that there was a recent breakup and that the mom of the girl shared everything with the school. They also knew they had a gun (if the gun came from them) and he liked guns if they looked at his social media. They knew about the swastika incident too. They were told he visits the girlfriend's home at night without the consent of the girlfriends parents. We have no proof they got hime help beyond the special school. That should come out soon. in order to qualify for that school he has to have some significant issues at his last school which we don't know the nature of yet, but I assume they went beyond learning.

Unless a child reported his behavior at the school or someone witnessed it, it is the school's responsibility to read his mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Emotionally stunted people -- which includes most teens -- have a hard time accepting rejection.

Here you have a teen who probably doesn't have many emotional connections other than the girlfriend. Girl's parents have good reason for wanting her to end it. She does. Boy is in distress and doesn't know how to deal with rejection. Probably plays to girl's emotions that he loves her/she understands him/he might do something to hurt himself. She lets him in to either calm him down or at least be a friend.... parents discover him.

He sees girl's parents as the cause of his anguish and because he is impulsive (and has been feeding himself violence for sometime), he reacts by taking out those who are (in his mind) inflicting the pain on him. He realizes the severity of his impulses in a matter of seconds and attempts to end his pain permanently.

These types of post-break-up shootings happen all over -- for teens in schools where they kill the ex girl friend and her new boyfriend, or with grown men and their ex-wives/girlfriends.

The Nazi stuff is relevant to the extent that (a) the parents precipitated the break up and (b) the shooter was primed for violence. But, ultimately, I think this will be a story of immature teen not dealing with rejection and loss.

I wonder if the school counselors in this area (who already have their hands full with issues to teach) ever deal with the emotional health issues of what to do when a relationship ends. We have all been there and at least for girls -- we cry and whine to our friends until they can't stand it anymore.... but the desperation we feel --- especially when young -- is very real. I'm not sure boys have as many outlets for their emotions other than drinking, drugs, or in a few cases, ... getting violent.

I'd say the danger of post-break-up violence has to be more urgent than terrorists coming into our schools. Kids need to learn how to manage these very big and threatening emotions that come from rejection.

Feeling very sad and heartbroken for the deceased parents, the surviving children/family in this scenario. Tragic.

Wow . . .immature teens dealing with rejection. That's very "privileged" thinking. Maybe his attorney should use it at his trial.

It doesn't excuse the shooter's actions. He's guilty as the day is long. But, it is very likely the reason that this went down. It has nothing to do with privilege. People of all social strata get frustrated and lash out when they feel they are losing the only thing they have going for them. (i.e. OJ? ). The boy didn't go to the house to shoot the parents, but they did (in his mind) cause him to lose his girlfriend. He couldn't handle that. Many kids/teens want to do harm when they are mad -- really mad-- at an adult. But, most do not have access to lethal weapons and therefore, have no immediate recourse for their anger... and then they simmer down.

Don't you remember being REALLY mad at your parents or someone when you were a tween or teen? It passed. You moved on.

This kid is 100% at fault. His parents may or may not be at fault. His school may or may not be at fault. We don't know what they knew. But, having a gun on him at the time of intense anger and hurt -- was the thing that allowed him to be more than just mad as hell -- it allowed him to be impulsive and destroy many lives. Teens + rejection + gun --- pure disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:Emotionally stunted people -- which includes most teens -- have a hard time accepting rejection.

Here you have a teen who probably doesn't have many emotional connections other than the girlfriend. Girl's parents have good reason for wanting her to end it. She does. Boy is in distress and doesn't know how to deal with rejection. Probably plays to girl's emotions that he loves her/she understands him/he might do something to hurt himself. She lets him in to either calm him down or at least be a friend.... parents discover him.

He sees girl's parents as the cause of his anguish and because he is impulsive (and has been feeding himself violence for sometime), he reacts by taking out those who are (in his mind) inflicting the pain on him. He realizes the severity of his impulses in a matter of seconds and attempts to end his pain permanently.

These types of post-break-up shootings happen all over -- for teens in schools where they kill the ex girl friend and her new boyfriend, or with grown men and their ex-wives/girlfriends.

The Nazi stuff is relevant to the extent that (a) the parents precipitated the break up and (b) the shooter was primed for violence. But, ultimately, I think this will be a story of immature teen not dealing with rejection and loss.

I wonder if the school counselors in this area (who already have their hands full with issues to teach) ever deal with the emotional health issues of what to do when a relationship ends. We have all been there and at least for girls -- we cry and whine to our friends until they can't stand it anymore.... but the desperation we feel --- especially when young -- is very real. I'm not sure boys have as many outlets for their emotions other than drinking, drugs, or in a few cases, ... getting violent.

I'd say the danger of post-break-up violence has to be more urgent than terrorists coming into our schools. Kids need to learn how to manage these very big and threatening emotions that come from rejection.

Feeling very sad and heartbroken for the deceased parents, the surviving children/family in this scenario. Tragic.

Wow . . .immature teens dealing with rejection. That's very "privileged" thinking. Maybe his attorney should use it at his trial.

Anonymous wrote:So kid goes to an intense therapeutic school with a staff ratio of 1:3, counseling, family services, etc. The school is staffed with highly trained professionals. Apparently no one at the school believes he was a danger to himself or others because, had they identified this, they would have been obligated to take action, which would have led to involuntary commitment. Even though these highly trained people didn’t see him as a danger, people here think his parents should have figured it out. I find that unbelievable and ridiculous. How can the parents be expected to figure out something that the professionals who see him for hours and hours a Day didn’t see.

Reading about the school also makes me wonder about the gun. Programs such as this advise parents to make their homes safe if their child is even remotely at risk for self harm or violence. It seems inconsistent for parents to invest the time and Mo wh into a school like this and then disregard a recommendation to make their home safe.

Anonymous wrote:Now 38 pages on this story, while don't recall the same number of pages in 2012 of a mentally ill man in Herndon killing his family and then himself.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Four-Found-Dead-in-Herndon-Home-171198321.html

Anonymous wrote:Over 37 pages of a murder and attempted suicide in the heart of White Privilege land with lots of nazi and antifa rhetoric. Meanwhile a few weeks back in PG County, barely a mention of this murder suicide as it doesn't fit the narrative.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2017/11/homicide-suicide-suspected-prince-georges-co-deaths/

Anonymous wrote:Over 37 pages of a murder and attempted suicide in the heart of White Privilege land with lots of nazi and antifa rhetoric. Meanwhile a few weeks back in PG County, barely a mention of this murder suicide as it doesn't fit the narrative.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2017/11/homicide-suicide-suspected-prince-georges-co-deaths/