Anonymous
06/20/2015 18:02
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
jsteele wrote:Rick Perry still can't use the word "racism" with regard to the Charleston murders:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/rick-perry-condemns-charleston-shooting-after-accident-remark
"I think we all come here today with heavy hearts for those individuals in Charleston – those Charleston Christians – who were gunned down in an absolute heinous hate crime inside of their place of worship.
"That deranged individual didn’t just take lives of black Americans – he gunned down nine children of God."
Perry continued: "There is something more basic to our humanity than the color of our skin, our ethnic heritage, our nationality. It’s that we’re all made in the image of a loving God. And we cannot let hatred and violence break the ties that bind us together."
As other poster have noted, Perry and those like him will concede that this is a "hate crime" because that leaves the door open for this being an anti-Christian attack. Perry clearly wants to stick to religion and stay away from race. He actually tries to downplay the fact that the victims were black.
Hate crime is the factual term for what happened. Racism is the emotional term. Look at the way the word racist is bandied about here - it's often used as a bully club. You can prosecute a hate crime. You cannot prosecute 'racism'.
jsteele
06/20/2015 16:30
Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're not any better than the liberals who hate "church-going hicks," to use your words. I get so tired of certain conservatives and certain liberals stereotyping each other on this site. No, we don't all think the way you do, pp. Anyway, to address what the earlier pp said - I'm in awe of the victims' families. They were amazing at the arraignment.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.
You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.
DCUM liberals don't feel the need to understand anything. Hating the church-going hicks is enough. The fact that a large number of those "hicks" in the Lowcountry is black doesn't register.
Unlike DCUM toy liberals, I don't pretend to be better than anybody else. I did not identify as a conservative, so thank you for not stereotyping.
You must believe that the best defense of the stereotypes you have just posted is to attack others for stereotyping. Hypocrisy is such an attractive trait.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 16:23
Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:You're not any better than the liberals who hate "church-going hicks," to use your words. I get so tired of certain conservatives and certain liberals stereotyping each other on this site. No, we don't all think the way you do, pp. Anyway, to address what the earlier pp said - I'm in awe of the victims' families. They were amazing at the arraignment.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.
You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.
DCUM liberals don't feel the need to understand anything. Hating the church-going hicks is enough. The fact that a large number of those "hicks" in the Lowcountry is black doesn't register.
Unlike DCUM toy liberals, I don't pretend to be better than anybody else. I did not identify as a conservative, so thank you for not stereotyping.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 16:19
Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
You're not any better than the liberals who hate "church-going hicks," to use your words. I get so tired of certain conservatives and certain liberals stereotyping each other on this site. No, we don't all think the way you do, pp. Anyway, to address what the earlier pp said - I'm in awe of the victims' families. They were amazing at the arraignment.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.
You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.
DCUM liberals don't feel the need to understand anything. Hating the church-going hicks is enough. The fact that a large number of those "hicks" in the Lowcountry is black doesn't register.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 16:11
Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.
You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.
DCUM liberals don't feel the need to understand anything. Hating the church-going hicks is enough. The fact that a large number of those "hicks" in the Lowcountry is black doesn't register.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 14:57
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Then make sure she carries it every waking (and sleeping) moment because you never know when a crazy person is going to blame her for what feminist activists do. After all, you clearly think it's everyone's responsibility to be aware that they could be held responsible for the behavior of activists that look like them and to arm themselves accordingly.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oh my god - you think the pastor should have been ready in case some white guy got bent out of shape over the Freddy Gray incident???!! If you have a daughter and she gets sexually assaulted, I hope you chastise her that she wasn't ready to defend herself against a guy who was mad at some woman who rejected him in the past.Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point out any media outlets ... or even DCUM posters for that matter ... that are denying this was racially motivated? I see that being thrown around like a straw man - to imply that whites don't acknowledge racism, I guess - but I don't actually see anyone denying this was a hate crime.
Forgive me for not reading 30 pages of this thread ... just the last 5 or 6 pages include numerous assertions that people are somehow denying the racial element here ... though those assertions are usually in posts related to genetic deficiencies and 'crazy ass white boys' so I suppose I should take them with a grain of salt.
The most outrageous attempt to shift blame I have seen was a post on page 6 of this thread that said this:
Anonymous wrote:Survivor reports: He said "I have to do it. You're taking over everything. Raping our women. You have to go."
Sigh. Activism breeds hate.
The only way I can interpret that is that it suggests that black activists provoked Roof.
I think we both agree that Pam Geller provoked Radical Muslims with her Draw Mohammed contest, right? I do remember you being quite clear about that, though you supported her right to speak.
I support black activists right to speak. Don't be surprised though, if it provokes racists.
As I've said over and over again, the only one responsible for the deaths, is the one who pulled the trigger.
It's not 'blame shifting', it's reality. When you speak out, when you are provocative in any way, you attract evil as well as good. Geller understood this and was ready. I wish that the pastor had done the same.
Really??!! Do you actually reread what you write before you post it on DCUM?
I think the pastor should have been ready because he is speaking out and unfortunately, that provokes crazies. If you are in the public eye, like he was, campaigning next to HRC, etc., it's probably best to be sure you have either bodyguards or are prepared to defend yourself. that is, unfortunately, reality.
My daughter will be packing heat - unless she is unfortunate enough to be in a gun-free zone. In which case, I hope that liberals apologize to her for leaving her essentially defenseless
jsteele
06/20/2015 14:55
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:
I'm confused about the whole Tea Party thing. I've never heard it suggested that Roof was Tea Party, only that he's a racist using racist symbols to broadcast his racism. He's posing with the Confederate flag and burning the American (Union) one. It's all pretty consistent, actually.
Exactly. I haven't seen a single post on DCUM suggesting that Roof was a Tea Party member and I certainly haven't suggested he was. But, the poster who brought up the Tea Party is the same one claiming that black activism provoked Roof and that Clementa Pinckney is just like Pam Geller. I don't think we can expect much in the way of coherence from her.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 14:50
Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
The 'Tea Party' is really just an umbrella term for a variety of conservatives who often conflict with each other.
Some are extremely racist, Confederate-flag flying crazies.
Some are fiscally conservative and support small government, but are generally socially liberal (support abortion rights, marriage equality, marijuana legalization, religious freedom and aren't into the heavily conservative Christian stuff)
Some are sort of typical GOP types, are both socially and fiscally conservative, favor more conservative Christian influence, but tend to distance themselves from overtly hateful symbols (Confederate flag, etc).
The term really has no meaning, and I think it speaks to the failure of the GOP to really unite, as it's just so fractured these days.
Some are extremely racist, Confederate-flag flying crazies.
Some are fiscally conservative and support small government, but are generally socially liberal (support abortion rights, marriage equality, marijuana legalization, religious freedom and aren't into the heavily conservative Christian stuff)
Some are sort of typical GOP types, are both socially and fiscally conservative, favor more conservative Christian influence, but tend to distance themselves from overtly hateful symbols (Confederate flag, etc).
The term really has no meaning, and I think it speaks to the failure of the GOP to really unite, as it's just so fractured these days.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 14:49
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Perry and friends hunted at his family's campground called Ni**erhead. I expect NOTHING from him to understand why this would be more than an unfortunate hate crime in addition to a racist accident...oops, I meant incident.jsteele wrote:Rick Perry still can't use the word "racism" with regard to the Charleston murders:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/rick-perry-condemns-charleston-shooting-after-accident-remark
"I think we all come here today with heavy hearts for those individuals in Charleston – those Charleston Christians – who were gunned down in an absolute heinous hate crime inside of their place of worship.
"That deranged individual didn’t just take lives of black Americans – he gunned down nine children of God."
Perry continued: "There is something more basic to our humanity than the color of our skin, our ethnic heritage, our nationality. It’s that we’re all made in the image of a loving God. And we cannot let hatred and violence break the ties that bind us together."
As other poster have noted, Perry and those like him will concede that this is a "hate crime" because that leaves the door open for this being an anti-Christian attack. Perry clearly wants to stick to religion and stay away from race. He actually tries to downplay the fact that the victims were black.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 14:46
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
jsteele wrote:Rick Perry still can't use the word "racism" with regard to the Charleston murders:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/rick-perry-condemns-charleston-shooting-after-accident-remark
"I think we all come here today with heavy hearts for those individuals in Charleston – those Charleston Christians – who were gunned down in an absolute heinous hate crime inside of their place of worship.
"That deranged individual didn’t just take lives of black Americans – he gunned down nine children of God."
Perry continued: "There is something more basic to our humanity than the color of our skin, our ethnic heritage, our nationality. It’s that we’re all made in the image of a loving God. And we cannot let hatred and violence break the ties that bind us together."
As other poster have noted, Perry and those like him will concede that this is a "hate crime" because that leaves the door open for this being an anti-Christian attack. Perry clearly wants to stick to religion and stay away from race. He actually tries to downplay the fact that the victims were black.
You didn't really expect the owner of "Niggerhead" hunting camp to be sensible or empathetic on race issues, did you?
Anonymous
06/20/2015 14:43
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:And I don't know many tea party members who would burn a confederate flag...none in fact.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just take a moment and laugh at this little dipshit's photo? Obviously he's a horrible, awful human being. But the sight of this puny little POS in a 'Gold's Gym' tank is completely hilarious to me. I feel bad for Gold's.
Hmmm, he's also burning the American flag. Wonder if Jeff saw this along with the confederate flag photo? If so, why leave it out? I don't know many tea party members who would do this...none in fact.
I'm confused about the whole Tea Party thing. I've never heard it suggested that Roof was Tea Party, only that he's a racist using racist symbols to broadcast his racism. He's posing with the Confederate flag and burning the American (Union) one. It's all pretty consistent, actually.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 14:42
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
And I don't know many tea party members who would burn a confederate flag...none in fact.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just take a moment and laugh at this little dipshit's photo? Obviously he's a horrible, awful human being. But the sight of this puny little POS in a 'Gold's Gym' tank is completely hilarious to me. I feel bad for Gold's.
Hmmm, he's also burning the American flag. Wonder if Jeff saw this along with the confederate flag photo? If so, why leave it out? I don't know many tea party members who would do this...none in fact.
jsteele
06/20/2015 14:39
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Rick Perry still can't use the word "racism" with regard to the Charleston murders:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/rick-perry-condemns-charleston-shooting-after-accident-remark
"I think we all come here today with heavy hearts for those individuals in Charleston – those Charleston Christians – who were gunned down in an absolute heinous hate crime inside of their place of worship.
"That deranged individual didn’t just take lives of black Americans – he gunned down nine children of God."
Perry continued: "There is something more basic to our humanity than the color of our skin, our ethnic heritage, our nationality. It’s that we’re all made in the image of a loving God. And we cannot let hatred and violence break the ties that bind us together."
As other poster have noted, Perry and those like him will concede that this is a "hate crime" because that leaves the door open for this being an anti-Christian attack. Perry clearly wants to stick to religion and stay away from race. He actually tries to downplay the fact that the victims were black.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/20/rick-perry-condemns-charleston-shooting-after-accident-remark
"I think we all come here today with heavy hearts for those individuals in Charleston – those Charleston Christians – who were gunned down in an absolute heinous hate crime inside of their place of worship.
"That deranged individual didn’t just take lives of black Americans – he gunned down nine children of God."
Perry continued: "There is something more basic to our humanity than the color of our skin, our ethnic heritage, our nationality. It’s that we’re all made in the image of a loving God. And we cannot let hatred and violence break the ties that bind us together."
As other poster have noted, Perry and those like him will concede that this is a "hate crime" because that leaves the door open for this being an anti-Christian attack. Perry clearly wants to stick to religion and stay away from race. He actually tries to downplay the fact that the victims were black.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 14:39
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
And yet I have not heard anyone call me this piece of horse manure a THUG. I have followed this story on the radio in my car, in my office, at home, and on DCUM. No one has referred to this contemptible person as a THUG. Guess that's reserved for others.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just take a moment and laugh at this little dipshit's photo? Obviously he's a horrible, awful human being. But the sight of this puny little POS in a 'Gold's Gym' tank is completely hilarious to me. I feel bad for Gold's.
Hmmm, he's also burning the American flag. Wonder if Jeff saw this along with the confederate flag photo? If so, why leave it out? I don't know many tea party members who would do this...none in fact.
Anonymous
06/20/2015 14:15
Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:Can I just take a moment and laugh at this little dipshit's photo? Obviously he's a horrible, awful human being. But the sight of this puny little POS in a 'Gold's Gym' tank is completely hilarious to me. I feel bad for Gold's.
Hmmm, he's also burning the American flag. Wonder if Jeff saw this along with the confederate flag photo? If so, why leave it out? I don't know many tea party members who would do this...none in fact.