Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When planes are getting shut down and 25k needs to be spent on procedures and testing because somebody threw up.

Everything has changed.

I don't think everything has changed. Many Americans are pretty fearful, all the time. This type of events plays into their fear. We typically call those suffering from this dreadful agony: Republicans.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Many, many Dems are worried about this situation and think it has been and is being poorly handled. Myself included. Everyone I work with, included. That's not a robust sample, but you can't say only Republicans think this is a sh*tshow. Lots of moderates and liberals think this is a sh*tshow.
I think it's stupid to make it about Obama, because it's about much more than Obama. But I do think it's about incompetence, on many levels.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Gaslighting again I see. It doesn't work on me

Being alert and aware protects us all. In criminal situations, in health situations, in everyday situations. That's just fact

I agree that being alert protects us all. But, posting multiple times about an African vomiting is not simply being alert. It is being pretty crazy. You never answered my earlier question. Do you plan to post multiple times about every African that vomits from now on?

I posted on e. You deleted it. I posted again. You deleted it. But you left that fact out in your post. Because you love to gaslight

Anonymous wrote:What if the Nigerians fly to el Salvador or Mexico and sneak in. Those people are border crossing experts.

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to this ridiculous crap but there is currently no Ebola in Nigeria. That had a small outbreak and they were able to control it. How about you learn a little more about your subject if you're going to post on it?

What if the Nigerians fly to el Salvador or Mexico and sneak in. Those people are border crossing experts.

Nurse who flew may have had ebola symptoms for *days* before flying.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/health/us-ebola/index.html

(Fox) news anchor delivers the Ebola message everyone needs to hear. Seriously.
http://fox13now.com/2014/10/16/news-anchor-the-ebola-message-everyone-needs-to-hear/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get that. I'm not the vomit poster, btw. I did post that Jeff should provide his opinions under a different username. What was the point of creating this site if not allowing free discussion? I do agree there should be management, and generally he is reasonable, but this issue has struck a nerve with him...and, that okay. But, it's incredibly unprofessional to both manage a site and interject your strong inion constantly. I think you need to Log in under a different name with the commentary. It is professional and facilitates the process of free speech. Plus, you also don't have people thinking your deleting posts because you don't agreed with the content. It's unprofessional.

Anyway, I don't want to derail the conversation. I won't mention this again.

Unprofessional? This is Jeff's forum, he can do what he thinks makes sense.

I agree. Although I did regret he deleted (I think because I can't find it) the link to an article on Ebola goods on Etsy. The pillow embroidered Hola Ebola provided a good laugh. Sorry for the macabre sense of humor...

Anonymous wrote:I meant same small group of people

Yes, I would not characterize some of these posts as "sane"!

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, why are you deleting posts about the Nigerean man who died on route to JFK after vomiting profusely in his seat?

Please post messages like this in website feedback so that this thread does not get derailed (as it would have been by posting a message about a guy who didn't have ebola).

Determined by a cursory walk-on by CDC, not testing

Are you going to react this way to every African that vomits from now on? Nigeria has had practically no ebola. This is part and parcel of your and others' attempt to generate mass hysteria of the "everything has changed" style illustrated in a post above.

It's here now. Being prepared means staying alert. There is now a lecel 4 virus in this country that the CDC is being lax about. Everything has changed, my friend.

Being alert and aware is always prudent. In bars, in your home, walking outside. Read The Gift Of Fear. It highlights the balance quite well

Had i not been alert and aware, I would have not noticed the man following me in my car. I would have not noticed him hide his car behind a gas station row of pumps when I deliberately stopped at a populated convenience store. Worse yet, I could have dismissed my rational mind as hysterical, and allowed him to follow me home. Police tell me that without my rational, quick thinking, I would be a statistic today. So yes, I trust myself

Liberals like yourself adopt a laisse faire attitude about everything, making you dangerous to others. Then you gaslight by saying they are hysterical. I can't imagine being so naive - or so cruel

Listen, I consider myself liberal, at least in many aspects,
and I totally agree: handling too lax on all fronts, CDC all over the place, Frieden needs to go, etc etc.
Totally appalled by the handling of the entire outbreak domestically and internationally.
I'm for limiting travel to the three countries, slowing/holding visas until this is under control, REAL quarantine (not I will call you from my vacation kind of quarantine)

Obama should have been on the phone with European leaders and through whichever countries flights are routing to the US MONTHS ago, not last week, to discuss how this could be handled in scenario X. The Europeans are just as behind.

I want to appeal to all sides to stop bringing "liberals think this" and "conservatives think this" into this!

It is really counterproductive - you need to think of what's the best way to handle this, and go forward, from a virology standpoint, not a political standpoint.

I meant same small group of people

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, why are you deleting posts about the Nigerean man who died on route to JFK after vomiting profusely in his seat?

Please post messages like this in website feedback so that this thread does not get derailed (as it would have been by posting a message about a guy who didn't have ebola).

Determined by a cursory walk-on by CDC, not testing

Are you going to react this way to every African that vomits from now on? Nigeria has had practically no ebola. This is part and parcel of your and others' attempt to generate mass hysteria of the "everything has changed" style illustrated in a post above.

It's here now. Being prepared means staying alert. There is now a lecel 4 virus in this country that the CDC is being lax about. Everything has changed, my friend.

Being alert and aware is always prudent. In bars, in your home, walking outside. Read The Gift Of Fear. It highlights the balance quite well

Had i not been alert and aware, I would have not noticed the man following me in my car. I would have not noticed him hide his car behind a gas station row of pumps when I deliberately stopped at a populated convenience store. Worse yet, I could have dismissed my rational mind as hysterical, and allowed him to follow me home. Police tell me that without my rational, quick thinking, I would be a statistic today. So yes, I trust myself

Liberals like yourself adopt a laisse faire attitude about everything, making you dangerous to others. Then you gaslight by saying they are hysterical. I can't imagine being so naive - or so cruel

Did the police catch and arrest someone? Or did you call and say a man is following me and they responded, saying to you "good thing you called that in" but never found anyone? Because if its the latter I suspect your vigilance has crossed a line.

I appreciate the way Jeff is controlling these posts. Otherwise we would have dozens - perhaps posted by the sane small group of people -- throwing out all sorts of irrational scenarios. This kind of fear mongering has a cost. It leads people to regard others with suspicion. It creates a mob mentality that can do actual harm. It obscures the truth - yes, the truth -- so that people receive misinformation.

You are absolutely entitled to be afraid and angry and whatever else it is you are feeling at the moment. But when you keep posting like this, you aren't accomplishing anything. You are not convincing anyone. You are just adding to the already unhealthy amount of noise.

Anonymous wrote:Ebola scare at the Pentagon now: http://www.arlnow.com/2014/10/17/developing-ebola-scare-at-the-pentagon/

Patient is at VHC.

The article says she had visited Africa recently. Africa is a huge continent, I hope they at least clarified what part of Africa.

I can't imagine what this years cold and flu season is going to be like.

Anonymous wrote:I get that. I'm not the vomit poster, btw. I did post that Jeff should provide his opinions under a different username. What was the point of creating this site if not allowing free discussion? I do agree there should be management, and generally he is reasonable, but this issue has struck a nerve with him...and, that okay. But, it's incredibly unprofessional to both manage a site and interject your strong inion constantly. I think you need to Log in under a different name with the commentary. It is professional and facilitates the process of free speech. Plus, you also don't have people thinking your deleting posts because you don't agreed with the content. It's unprofessional.

Anyway, I don't want to derail the conversation. I won't mention this again.

Unprofessional? This is Jeff's forum, he can do what he thinks makes sense.

Anonymous wrote:When planes are getting shut down and 25k needs to be spent on procedures and testing because somebody threw up.

Everything has changed.

I don't think everything has changed. Many Americans are pretty fearful, all the time. This type of events plays into their fear. We typically call those suffering from this dreadful agony: Republicans.

Ebola scare at the Pentagon now: http://www.arlnow.com/2014/10/17/developing-ebola-scare-at-the-pentagon/

Patient is at VHC.