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Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He had check ins because he is DEPORTABLE! That’s the whole point. Citizens don’t check in with immigration. He was not permanently authorized to stay and he knew it.

The check ins were required while he pursued citizenship. If there was a point where he should have been deported, they would have. And again, there was an order that he could not be sent to El Salvador.

Look, just give it up. You are so losing on the facts here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

Can you post your street and city name? We can send you several families from Montgomery county.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He had check ins because he is DEPORTABLE! That’s the whole point. Citizens don’t check in with immigration. He was not permanently authorized to stay and he knew it.

The check ins were required while he pursued citizenship. If there was a point where he should have been deported, they would have. And again, there was an order that he could not be sent to El Salvador.

Look, just give it up. You are so losing on the facts here.

That’s a laughable claim. He was never eligible for citizenship and that’s why his wife never tried to get him a green card. You can’t get citizenship when you enter illegally and he had already been denied asylum. Citizenship was never on the table.

You are correct that he was in legal limbo--undeportable to EL Salvador but no path to citizenship here. Not sure to resolve that.
But the fact remains, there was a legal order prohibiting sending him to EL Salvador and the Trump admin violated it.

Why no pass to citizenship? If his wife an American citizen, why would she not petition for him to obtain a green card and citizenship?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

You don't have to wait for this guy to move to your neighborhood. You can do this right now with other families who live in Virginia. Why haven't you done this yet?

I don't understand your sarcastic remark.

I in fact did attend the small interfaith prayer meeting with his wife and beautiful family in front of the White House. I have attended and will continue to attend protests in his name.

I can't have him over to dinner because your dear leader broke the law and is spitting on the Supreme Court by keeping him to a concentration camp in another country.

Are you attending prayer meetings for the US citizen being held by Hamas? If not, why not?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He had check ins because he is DEPORTABLE! That’s the whole point. Citizens don’t check in with immigration. He was not permanently authorized to stay and he knew it.

The check ins were required while he pursued citizenship. If there was a point where he should have been deported, they would have. And again, there was an order that he could not be sent to El Salvador.

Look, just give it up. You are so losing on the facts here.

That’s a laughable claim. He was never eligible for citizenship and that’s why his wife never tried to get him a green card. You can’t get citizenship when you enter illegally and he had already been denied asylum. Citizenship was never on the table.

You are correct that he was in legal limbo--undeportable to EL Salvador but no path to citizenship here. Not sure to resolve that.
But the fact remains, there was a legal order prohibiting sending him to EL Salvador and the Trump admin violated it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guys entered the country illegally. He was charged with domestic violence. He needed to go anyway. Yes he should’ve been afforded due process but even if they bring him back to the US, he’s not staying. Seems sort of like a waste of time considering he’s been returned to his home country, but OK. Bring him back, then deport him to some other country that will accept him for $$$ I guess.

This is the entire argument of means and ends. The end , should he be brought back and then given his due process rights to a a formal deportation hearing, might be he is back in El Salvador or another country. But the means matter. If the means didn’t matter we wouldn’t have entire court systems to ensure that the ends are justified by the means.

That’s silly; he isn’t owed another judge to say what the first one already did: he can be deported just not to ES. That determination was already made.

But he wasn’t deported. The Trump admin admits they just made an error. This was not an intentional deportation.

That doesn’t make him eligible for another hearing to determine if he is deportable.

It does. The Supreme Court itself said so. Trump isn’t listening to them but he is entitled to due process.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

You don't have to wait for this guy to move to your neighborhood. You can do this right now with other families who live in Virginia. Why haven't you done this yet?

I don't understand your sarcastic remark.

I in fact did attend the small interfaith prayer meeting with his wife and beautiful family in front of the White House. I have attended and will continue to attend protests in his name.

I can't have him over to dinner because your dear leader broke the law and is spitting on the Supreme Court by keeping him to a concentration camp in another country.

Are you attending prayer meetings for the US citizen being held by Hamas? If not, why not?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

The evidence of his gang membership has been provided over and over. One kid is his. The other two are his wife’s - the one who had two separate domestic violence claims against him.

No it hasn't, and sorry internet warrior, a judge decided that there was no evidence of gang involvement.
Stop cherry picking and pretending your internet searches are more thorough than the evidence a judge was presented with,

Look above and read the links and the court papers. Stop referring to one judge - - there were several including the court of appeals. Again, this evidence was provided over and over.

OPf course there was more than one judge and hearing. And you ae choosing to represent the ones that were basically overturned by the last judge.

There is no evidence.

The later judge didn’t overturn anything - he couldn’t because the appeals court had already determined evidence of gang membership!! Do you understand how appeals courts work?

The later judge simply said he couldn’t go to ES because as MS 13, he was scared of Barrio’s gang reprisal. Thing is, that gang (Barrio) doesn’t even exist any more because ES squashed them.

He couldn’t go to El Salvador because he was a member of a social class based on his affiliation with his mother, whose successful business was being extorted by the gangs at threat of murdering and raping her children, and that social class could not be altered. Thus he was granted nexus of protection. Had nothing to do with being in MS13 which he was not. He came here at 16 to avoid murder by the Barrio 18 gang or having to join another gang for protection.

That’s his story, sure. El S may think otherwise.

Barrio doesn’t exist anymore.

I’m curious if there’s a reason you absolutely refuse to type out the entire name of this country. El S? ES? It’s not commonly known by either.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guys entered the country illegally. He was charged with domestic violence. He needed to go anyway. Yes he should’ve been afforded due process but even if they bring him back to the US, he’s not staying. Seems sort of like a waste of time considering he’s been returned to his home country, but OK. Bring him back, then deport him to some other country that will accept him for $$$ I guess.

This is the entire argument of means and ends. The end , should he be brought back and then given his due process rights to a a formal deportation hearing, might be he is back in El Salvador or another country. But the means matter. If the means didn’t matter we wouldn’t have entire court systems to ensure that the ends are justified by the means.

That’s silly; he isn’t owed another judge to say what the first one already did: he can be deported just not to ES. That determination was already made.

But he wasn’t deported. The Trump admin admits they just made an error. This was not an intentional deportation.

That doesn’t make him eligible for another hearing to determine if he is deportable.

It does. The Supreme Court itself said so. Trump isn’t listening to them but he is entitled to due process.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

You don't have to wait for this guy to move to your neighborhood. You can do this right now with other families who live in Virginia. Why haven't you done this yet?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guys entered the country illegally. He was charged with domestic violence. He needed to go anyway. Yes he should’ve been afforded due process but even if they bring him back to the US, he’s not staying. Seems sort of like a waste of time considering he’s been returned to his home country, but OK. Bring him back, then deport him to some other country that will accept him for $$$ I guess.

This is the entire argument of means and ends. The end , should he be brought back and then given his due process rights to a a formal deportation hearing, might be he is back in El Salvador or another country. But the means matter. If the means didn’t matter we wouldn’t have entire court systems to ensure that the ends are justified by the means.

That’s silly; he isn’t owed another judge to say what the first one already did: he can be deported just not to ES. That determination was already made.

But he wasn’t deported. The Trump admin admits they just made an error. This was not an intentional deportation.

That doesn’t make him eligible for another hearing to determine if he is deportable.

It does. The Supreme Court itself said so. Trump isn’t listening to them but he is entitled to due process.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He had check ins because he is DEPORTABLE! That’s the whole point. Citizens don’t check in with immigration. He was not permanently authorized to stay and he knew it.

The check ins were required while he pursued citizenship. If there was a point where he should have been deported, they would have. And again, there was an order that he could not be sent to El Salvador.

Look, just give it up. You are so losing on the facts here.

That’s a laughable claim. He was never eligible for citizenship and that’s why his wife never tried to get him a green card. You can’t get citizenship when you enter illegally and he had already been denied asylum. Citizenship was never on the table.

You are correct that he was in legal limbo--undeportable to EL Salvador but no path to citizenship here. Not sure to resolve that.
But the fact remains, there was a legal order prohibiting sending him to EL Salvador and the Trump admin violated it.

DOJ already agreed to that. What’s your point? We all know he wasn’t supposed to go to ES. The idea that Garcia was en route to citizenship is absurd.

He wasn’t supposed to go to El Salvador and there was no justification to send him to prison. He had committed no crimes there or here. There is a vast chasm of possible actions between “isn’t eligible for citizenship here” and “will be sent to prison in the country he can’t be deported back to at the whim of an administrative clerk just because.”

Right but we aren’t the ones holding him. El S could release him from prison in that nation any time they want to. Not our call.

The U.S. is PAYING THEM to hold him. Why would they release him?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guys entered the country illegally. He was charged with domestic violence. He needed to go anyway. Yes he should’ve been afforded due process but even if they bring him back to the US, he’s not staying. Seems sort of like a waste of time considering he’s been returned to his home country, but OK. Bring him back, then deport him to some other country that will accept him for $$$ I guess.

This is the entire argument of means and ends. The end , should he be brought back and then given his due process rights to a a formal deportation hearing, might be he is back in El Salvador or another country. But the means matter. If the means didn’t matter we wouldn’t have entire court systems to ensure that the ends are justified by the means.

That’s silly; he isn’t owed another judge to say what the first one already did: he can be deported just not to ES. That determination was already made.

But he wasn’t deported. The Trump admin admits they just made an error. This was not an intentional deportation.

That doesn’t make him eligible for another hearing to determine if he is deportable.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

The evidence of his gang membership has been provided over and over. One kid is his. The other two are his wife’s - the one who had two separate domestic violence claims against him.

No it hasn't, and sorry internet warrior, a judge decided that there was no evidence of gang involvement.
Stop cherry picking and pretending your internet searches are more thorough than the evidence a judge was presented with,

Look above and read the links and the court papers. Stop referring to one judge - - there were several including the court of appeals. Again, this evidence was provided over and over.

OPf course there was more than one judge and hearing. And you ae choosing to represent the ones that were basically overturned by the last judge.

There is no evidence.

The later judge didn’t overturn anything - he couldn’t because the appeals court had already determined evidence of gang membership!! Do you understand how appeals courts work?

The later judge simply said he couldn’t go to ES because as MS 13, he was scared of Barrio’s gang reprisal. Thing is, that gang (Barrio) doesn’t even exist any more because ES squashed them.

He couldn’t go to El Salvador because he was a member of a social class based on his affiliation with his mother, whose successful business was being extorted by the gangs at threat of murdering and raping her children, and that social class could not be altered. Thus he was granted nexus of protection. Had nothing to do with being in MS13 which he was not. He came here at 16 to avoid murder by the Barrio 18 gang or having to join another gang for protection.

That’s his story, sure. El S may think otherwise.

Barrio doesn’t exist anymore.