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Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries in Europe.

and the government provides the ID FOR FREE.

Why are blue states so inept?

This thread is TLDR, so I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I just want to throw out there that I live in MN, one of the states that doesn't require an ID.

The requirements to vote are either a valid ID, or an expired ID [/b]along with a SSN[/b]. You also must bring a utility bill or lease to show that you live in MN. So it's not like ANYONE can just roll up and vote with no verification.

Non citizens are given driver’s licenses and can bring a utility bill

Please show where non-citizens are voting. See the Heritage Foundation report and the Cato Institute reports (hardly liberal institutions) that show this to be a miniscule problem. In fact, I would ask, if there is so much illegal voting taking place, then how did the GOP win the House, senate and white House in 2024? Why was this an issue for the 2020 election when Trump was president, but not an issue in 2016 or 2024 when Trump won?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries in Europe.

and the government provides the ID FOR FREE.

Why are blue states so inept?

This thread is TLDR, so I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I just want to throw out there that I live in MN, one of the states that doesn't require an ID.

The requirements to vote are either a valid ID, or an expired ID [/b]along with a SSN[/b]. You also must bring a utility bill or lease to show that you live in MN. So it's not like ANYONE can just roll up and vote with no verification.

Non citizens are given driver’s licenses and can bring a utility bill

This is so a solution looking for a problem. How about spending some time on solution for a real problem.

According to the very right wing Heritage Foundation, there were only 24 instances of non-citizens voting in all elections between 2003 and 2023. This is out of hundreds of millions of ballots cast.

Voter ID proposals are a "solution" looking for a problem that doesn't exist. What is very clear is that Republicans are trying to use Voter ID laws to disenfranchise millions of US citizens from voting. The greatest threat to American democracy is not immigrants. It is the Republican Party.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries in Europe.

and the government provides the ID FOR FREE.

Why are blue states so inept?

This thread is TLDR, so I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I just want to throw out there that I live in MN, one of the states that doesn't require an ID.

The requirements to vote are either a valid ID, or an expired ID [/b]along with a SSN[/b]. You also must bring a utility bill or lease to show that you live in MN. So it's not like ANYONE can just roll up and vote with no verification.

This is the same in wisconsin....you can't just vote without providing proof of residency in the form of a utilility bill or lease and an ID that matches the name on the bill or lease.

Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries require voter identification to vote.

EVERY African nation requires ID to vote.

Here's the whole list of every country requiring it.

https://coldstreams.com/social/2026/01/30/what-countries-have-voter-identification-requirements

So what?

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Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries require voter identification to vote.

EVERY African nation requires ID to vote.

Here's the whole list of every country requiring it.

https://coldstreams.com/social/2026/01/30/what-countries-have-voter-identification-requirements

Are there exceptions in those countries? Do they have the equivalent of the 24th Amendment? Do they also require some form of National ID which is provided for free?

The governments provicde the ID's for free.

That is the part the MAGAs are omitting here. The GOP refuses the same, which is what the democrats are fighting against.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries in Europe.

and the government provides the ID FOR FREE.

Why are blue states so inept?

This thread is TLDR, so I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I just want to throw out there that I live in MN, one of the states that doesn't require an ID.

The requirements to vote are either a valid ID, or an expired ID [/b]along with a SSN[/b]. You also must bring a utility bill or lease to show that you live in MN. So it's not like ANYONE can just roll up and vote with no verification.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries require voter identification to vote.

EVERY African nation requires ID to vote.

Here's the whole list of every country requiring it.

https://coldstreams.com/social/2026/01/30/what-countries-have-voter-identification-requirements

Now you know what democrats are afraid of.

This isn’t about voter ID. Not sure how many more times this needs to be explained to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in a rural area 100 miles from DC and personally know several older people who were born at home and do not have birth certificates. These people’s ancestors have been in the area for centuries.

I have an elderly relative that can't get a Real ID because her birth name is different than the name she's used her whole life, in the community she grew up in. Her passport is expired now, but even it had the name she used.

People assume, or disingenuously insist, that getting documentation is easy, when it's just not.

At this point, I'm being assuming they actually care about voting integrity. They want to disenfranchise people.

Well, she must have had documentation at some point if she had a passport with that name.

My parents were both born at home. They were able to get documentation and I'm sure your people were able, as well.

Did they ever work? Social Security required documentation. Medicaid? Same.
Drive? They needed documentation.
Male? they have selective service requirements.
Register to school? they had to have documentation.

You really are reaching here.

none of these things are codified in the US Constitution as a right. Further, all of the documentation here require fees. Voting should not cost anything to be able to achieve. Otherwise, its a poll tax, per the Supreme Court.

No. It is not a poll tax. Providing documentation is not a poll tax. If you don't have the documentation, paying to get it is your problem. If you lost it, that is on you.

But, if you need it, I'm sure there will be organizations to assist you in getting your documentation.

If filing a certificate of residence is a poll tax, then the SAVE Act is clearly a poll tax.

Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries require voter identification to vote.

EVERY African nation requires ID to vote.

Here's the whole list of every country requiring it.

https://coldstreams.com/social/2026/01/30/what-countries-have-voter-identification-requirements

Are there exceptions in those countries? Do they have the equivalent of the 24th Amendment? Do they also require some form of National ID which is provided for free?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in a rural area 100 miles from DC and personally know several older people who were born at home and do not have birth certificates. These people’s ancestors have been in the area for centuries.

I have an elderly relative that can't get a Real ID because her birth name is different than the name she's used her whole life, in the community she grew up in. Her passport is expired now, but even it had the name she used.

People assume, or disingenuously insist, that getting documentation is easy, when it's just not.

At this point, I'm being assuming they actually care about voting integrity. They want to disenfranchise people.

Well, she must have had documentation at some point if she had a passport with that name.

My parents were both born at home. They were able to get documentation and I'm sure your people were able, as well.

Did they ever work? Social Security required documentation. Medicaid? Same.
Drive? They needed documentation.
Male? they have selective service requirements.
Register to school? they had to have documentation.

You really are reaching here.

No, stupid, you are.

Back in the day the requirements that all documents match was very lax. If you told the DMV you go by Daisy or some other nickname they'd put it on your driver's license and then that would go on your passport or social security card, or if it didn't, no one cared.

But let's stop pretending you care about any of this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in a rural area 100 miles from DC and personally know several older people who were born at home and do not have birth certificates. These people’s ancestors have been in the area for centuries.

I have an elderly relative that can't get a Real ID because her birth name is different than the name she's used her whole life, in the community she grew up in. Her passport is expired now, but even it had the name she used.

People assume, or disingenuously insist, that getting documentation is easy, when it's just not.

At this point, I'm being assuming they actually care about voting integrity. They want to disenfranchise people.

Well, she must have had documentation at some point if she had a passport with that name.

My parents were both born at home. They were able to get documentation and I'm sure your people were able, as well.

Did they ever work? Social Security required documentation. Medicaid? Same.
Drive? They needed documentation.
Male? they have selective service requirements.
Register to school? they had to have documentation.

You really are reaching here.

none of these things are codified in the US Constitution as a right. Further, all of the documentation here require fees. Voting should not cost anything to be able to achieve. Otherwise, its a poll tax, per the Supreme Court.

No. It is not a poll tax. Providing documentation is not a poll tax. If you don't have the documentation, paying to get it is your problem. If you lost it, that is on you.

But, if you need it, I'm sure there will be organizations to assist you in getting your documentation.

If you have to get specific documentation to vote, it is a poll tax. Sorry you feel otherwise, but your feels are not the law.

Strongly disagree. A poll tax is a fixed amount applied to everyone regardless of wealth. Look it up.

People like you who pretend to know what they are talking about . . . look it up.

"In anticipation of the promulgation of the Twenty-fourth Amendment abolishing the poll tax as a requirement for voting in federal elections, Virginia eliminated the poll tax as an absolute prerequisite to voting in federal elections and in its stead substituted a provision whereby the federal voter could qualify either by paying the customary poll tax or by filing a certificate of residence six months before the election.

The certificate of residence requirement is a material requirement imposed upon those who refuse to surrender their constitutional right to vote in federal elections without paying a poll tax and thus constitutes an abridgment of the right to vote in violation of the Twenty-fourth Amendment."

Just filing a certificate of residency was considered a significant enough hoop that it constituted an impermissible poll tax. No fee. Not big deal. Except it was unconstitutional.

HARMAN v. FORSSENIUS 380 U.S. 528 (1965)

PS - That "U.S." in the citation means it was the United States Supreme Court. Look it up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries in Europe.

and the government provides the ID FOR FREE.

Why are blue states so inept?

Anonymous wrote:46 of 47 countries require voter identification to vote.

EVERY African nation requires ID to vote.

Here's the whole list of every country requiring it.

https://coldstreams.com/social/2026/01/30/what-countries-have-voter-identification-requirements

Now you know what democrats are afraid of.