Anonymous
02/22/2024 07:46
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.
Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).
The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.
Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.
In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.
hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.
Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.
If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.
Brave primarily is impacting the youngest groups, since prior to the formation, talent would leave the club for ECNL clubs (and form a domino effect). Much of that talent had already left for the oldest girls.
For the 2 age groups that have fed into Brave so far (2010 & 2011), Vienna’s ECRL girls are 11-3-2. They’re doing that while also feeding the vast majority of the Brave rosters (and the 10’ and 11’ Brave girls’ teams are strong).
Meanwhile, MYS has zero ECRL teams with winning records this year. Not a one, boys or girls. And SYC was making up the majority of the Union players for the same young ages where Vienna was doing it for Brave.
Why would McLean have leverage here and Vienna is in over their heads?
Anonymous
02/22/2024 07:33
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:It’s February 22. No announcement, no coaching slates, no ID sessions. Lots of speculation. I know that the merger is happening - we need details soon (DD plays for one of the clubs).
The ppl that run these clubs are not really career managers, they are soccer people. Don't expect this to be anything but chaotic, with things coming out that appear to make no sense at all. The best you can do is plan to attend tryouts at multiple clubs to provide your DD options.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 07:32
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Both clubs are announcing ID sessions in March for 2024-2025.....
Anonymous
02/22/2024 07:25
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:It’s February 22. No announcement, no coaching slates, no ID sessions. Lots of speculation. I know that the merger is happening - we need details soon (DD plays for one of the clubs).
The March 1 deadline is set by ECNL. It feels almost like the league is setting these clubs up for failure by not letting things get sorted out and announced before ID sessions.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 07:05
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
It’s February 22. No announcement, no coaching slates, no ID sessions. Lots of speculation. I know that the merger is happening - we need details soon (DD plays for one of the clubs).
Anonymous
02/22/2024 06:55
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Once out of ECNL, it will be hard to get back on the ship. And no, it's not just a Brave issue; Mclean also has plenty of issues with the boy's teams.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 01:21
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:My DD was at a previous local club and switched to McLean and it has been great- likes the coaching staff, gets good coaching, likes teammates, things seem less political, families are friendly. Overall has been a good experience
I’ll add to this — came from another club to VU. Coaches are caring and want true development (unlike previous club). Lots of respect in all directions — among players, coaching staff, parents.
Tryouts last year seemed a bit chaotic but selections, even where there were challenges, seemed appropriate in considering both internal and external players.
I’m not sure how McLean got labeled political? Yes, being the force behind mergers is perhaps political but not seeing it on the field (unlike previous club). Yes, there is going to be uncertainty and some players are going to be dropped from ECNL rosters but McLean boys (and fairfax) need help, the girls will get much stronger, and RL will be exceedingly better — this might help some girls develop even further than they may have as sub players on an ECNL roster.
Bumpy ride ahead.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 00:52
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:here's the problem though, there will always be a team at the bottom of the standings. If you keep booting the bottom team out, eventually you are left with only 1 team left.
Yes, but BRYC has been at the bottom for while.
But BRAVE is the ECNL club and it isn’t.
Brave was created from BRYC & VYS to replace BRYC ECNL which has contingencies to improve within two years. Now it’s two years Brave didn’t meet the requirements and ECNL will not renew their charter.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 00:49
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
There is no such thing as an ECNL charter. They evaluate clubs each year and do whatever they want.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 00:44
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:here's the problem though, there will always be a team at the bottom of the standings. If you keep booting the bottom team out, eventually you are left with only 1 team left.
Yes, but BRYC has been at the bottom for while.
But BRAVE is the ECNL club and it isn’t.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 00:40
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:here's the problem though, there will always be a team at the bottom of the standings. If you keep booting the bottom team out, eventually you are left with only 1 team left.
Yes, but BRYC has been at the bottom for while.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 00:37
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.
MV loves politics and will thrive at McLean. If he is a coach and you’re not from Vienna. Good luck.
what is wrong with MV. I heard lot of rumors about him.
BRAVE players and families are very happy with MV as a coach. Just ask any on his current teams. Will be hard to get buy-in from many BRAVE families if he’s not a coach in the new partnership club.
Is it true that MV has the 2008 group since VYS? Again with Brave?
Yes. They had a different coach when they were 6 though.
Good luck with recruiting and to all the McLean kids.
How does the girls feel to have the same coach over and over again. I heard he is trying to get the 2008G group with the merger. If he thinks he is a good coach, he should take a different age group
Anonymous
02/22/2024 00:33
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
here's the problem though, there will always be a team at the bottom of the standings. If you keep booting the bottom team out, eventually you are left with only 1 team left.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 00:27
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.
Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).
The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.
Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.
In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.
hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.
Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.
Whoever holds the license holds the upper hand. That's just the way it works. When one company absorbs another its called a 'merger' --that's just for show. It's really an acquisition of one company by another. So, the question is who retains the ECNL National license--and whose 'plan' is it really?
McLean has the ECNL Charter. Brave charter was good for two years and it will not be renewed by ECNL.
Where is does it say there is a two charter to be renewed or not? Just curious. Cant find any reference to that. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-NdLhy6yTgRJrXKs8evae4c84mwtfFm17IJmgdjZXOk/edit
https://crossfireunitedecnl.com/how-does-a-team-become-ecnl
No reference here either to this supposed 2-year charter that must be renewed.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 00:19
Subject: ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.
Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).
The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.
Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.
In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.
hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.
Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.
If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.