Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 23:54     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

I don’t plan on voting for Biden and would be surprised if he lost my state’s electoral votes.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 23:26     Subject: Re:To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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President Joe Biden took a double-digit hit in support from the politically crucial Iowa Democratic caucus, losing backing from women and young voters, a new poll shows.In a new Emerson College polling survey, Biden dropped 19 percentage points – from 69% to 50% – in caucus…

https://www.wgmd.com/poll-shows-biden-lost-double-digit-support-among-iowa-dems/

A new Arab American Institute poll finds that only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for President Biden in 2024 — a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.

Said pollster James Zogby: “This is the most dramatic shift over the shortest period of time that I’ve ever seen.”

“The damage isn’t limited to Biden: Just 23% of Arab Americans identify with the Democratic Party, marking the first time a majority did not claim to prefer the Democrats since the institute began tracking party identification in 1996. Those identifying as Independents rose to 31%, the highest it’s ever been.”

https://politicalwire.com/2023/10/31/poll-suggests-biden-losing-support-of-arab-americans/


Swing-state Muslim Americans threaten to vote against Biden
Muslim Americans voted overwhelmingly for Biden. But community leaders in swing states tell NBC News that the president's handling of the war in Gaza risks losing their support. As Israel’s U.S-backed war against Hamas intensifies and Palestinian civilian deaths mount, a growing number of swing-state Muslim American and Arab American leaders are warning President Joe Biden that he is losing support from their communities in ways that could cost him in next year’s election.

Muslim Americans overwhelmingly backed Biden in 2020 and would be expected to again in 2024, especially if his opponent is former President Donald Trump, who has revived his plans to ban many Muslims from entering the United States.
But in multiple battleground states that Biden won with thin margins last time, a growing chorus of community leaders say his handling of the war in Gaza and Islamophobia at home jeopardize his path to victory in the Electoral College, with many Muslim American and Arab American voters saying they plan to either stay home next November, vote for a write-in or a third-party presidential candidate, or simply leave the top of the ticket blank.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/swing-state-muslim-voters-threaten-vote-against-biden-rcna122870

The poll is the latest evidence that Biden's campaign for a second term in office is rapidly losing Muslim and Arab Americans support over his staunch support of Israel. These voters have traditionally voted for Democratic candidates and are prominent in hotly contested states like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, that could decide the 2024 presidential election.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arab-american-support-biden-democrats-plummets-over-israel-poll-2023-10-31/

Looks like trump will win. Good job Joe! This does not even count the progressives and under 40 voters who are pissed off. Maybe Joe will resign or not run? Can only hope.


These voters care more about a grudge than the the U.S. their supposedly adopted couuntry. Willing to throw U.S. to the wolves.


Interesting, isn’t it?
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 23:25     Subject: Re:To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

Anonymous wrote:
President Joe Biden took a double-digit hit in support from the politically crucial Iowa Democratic caucus, losing backing from women and young voters, a new poll shows.In a new Emerson College polling survey, Biden dropped 19 percentage points – from 69% to 50% – in caucus…

https://www.wgmd.com/poll-shows-biden-lost-double-digit-support-among-iowa-dems/

A new Arab American Institute poll finds that only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for President Biden in 2024 — a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.

Said pollster James Zogby: “This is the most dramatic shift over the shortest period of time that I’ve ever seen.”

“The damage isn’t limited to Biden: Just 23% of Arab Americans identify with the Democratic Party, marking the first time a majority did not claim to prefer the Democrats since the institute began tracking party identification in 1996. Those identifying as Independents rose to 31%, the highest it’s ever been.”

https://politicalwire.com/2023/10/31/poll-suggests-biden-losing-support-of-arab-americans/


Swing-state Muslim Americans threaten to vote against Biden
Muslim Americans voted overwhelmingly for Biden. But community leaders in swing states tell NBC News that the president's handling of the war in Gaza risks losing their support. As Israel’s U.S-backed war against Hamas intensifies and Palestinian civilian deaths mount, a growing number of swing-state Muslim American and Arab American leaders are warning President Joe Biden that he is losing support from their communities in ways that could cost him in next year’s election.

Muslim Americans overwhelmingly backed Biden in 2020 and would be expected to again in 2024, especially if his opponent is former President Donald Trump, who has revived his plans to ban many Muslims from entering the United States.
But in multiple battleground states that Biden won with thin margins last time, a growing chorus of community leaders say his handling of the war in Gaza and Islamophobia at home jeopardize his path to victory in the Electoral College, with many Muslim American and Arab American voters saying they plan to either stay home next November, vote for a write-in or a third-party presidential candidate, or simply leave the top of the ticket blank.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/swing-state-muslim-voters-threaten-vote-against-biden-rcna122870

The poll is the latest evidence that Biden's campaign for a second term in office is rapidly losing Muslim and Arab Americans support over his staunch support of Israel. These voters have traditionally voted for Democratic candidates and are prominent in hotly contested states like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, that could decide the 2024 presidential election.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arab-american-support-biden-democrats-plummets-over-israel-poll-2023-10-31/

Looks like trump will win. Good job Joe! This does not even count the progressives and under 40 voters who are pissed off. Maybe Joe will resign or not run? Can only hope.


These voters care more about a grudge than the the U.S. their supposedly adopted couuntry. Willing to throw U.S. to the wolves.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 23:17     Subject: Re:To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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President Joe Biden took a double-digit hit in support from the politically crucial Iowa Democratic caucus, losing backing from women and young voters, a new poll shows.In a new Emerson College polling survey, Biden dropped 19 percentage points – from 69% to 50% – in caucus…

https://www.wgmd.com/poll-shows-biden-lost-double-digit-support-among-iowa-dems/

A new Arab American Institute poll finds that only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for President Biden in 2024 — a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.

Said pollster James Zogby: “This is the most dramatic shift over the shortest period of time that I’ve ever seen.”

“The damage isn’t limited to Biden: Just 23% of Arab Americans identify with the Democratic Party, marking the first time a majority did not claim to prefer the Democrats since the institute began tracking party identification in 1996. Those identifying as Independents rose to 31%, the highest it’s ever been.”

https://politicalwire.com/2023/10/31/poll-suggests-biden-losing-support-of-arab-americans/


Swing-state Muslim Americans threaten to vote against Biden
Muslim Americans voted overwhelmingly for Biden. But community leaders in swing states tell NBC News that the president's handling of the war in Gaza risks losing their support. As Israel’s U.S-backed war against Hamas intensifies and Palestinian civilian deaths mount, a growing number of swing-state Muslim American and Arab American leaders are warning President Joe Biden that he is losing support from their communities in ways that could cost him in next year’s election.

Muslim Americans overwhelmingly backed Biden in 2020 and would be expected to again in 2024, especially if his opponent is former President Donald Trump, who has revived his plans to ban many Muslims from entering the United States.
But in multiple battleground states that Biden won with thin margins last time, a growing chorus of community leaders say his handling of the war in Gaza and Islamophobia at home jeopardize his path to victory in the Electoral College, with many Muslim American and Arab American voters saying they plan to either stay home next November, vote for a write-in or a third-party presidential candidate, or simply leave the top of the ticket blank.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/swing-state-muslim-voters-threaten-vote-against-biden-rcna122870

The poll is the latest evidence that Biden's campaign for a second term in office is rapidly losing Muslim and Arab Americans support over his staunch support of Israel. These voters have traditionally voted for Democratic candidates and are prominent in hotly contested states like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, that could decide the 2024 presidential election.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arab-american-support-biden-democrats-plummets-over-israel-poll-2023-10-31/

Looks like trump will win. Good job Joe! This does not even count the progressives and under 40 voters who are pissed off. Maybe Joe will resign or not run? Can only hope.


The Muslim and Arab-American communities are in for a big surprise if Trump wins.

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Post 10/31/2023 23:15     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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Anonymous wrote:Biden absolutely cannot win Michigan without the Arab-American vote. That group includes Muslims and Christians. Again, the red lights are flashing and Biden’s team is pulling a Robby Mook by looking at faulty data, rather than the talk and feel on the ground. Supporting the UAW can only get Biden so far in the Great Lakes state. He needs to change his tune asap.


He supports Israel as a country. He supports Palestinians as a people. He opposes Hamas. That is his message. What else would you have him do or say?


He will have to deliver that message in person multiple times in the next few months.


What does “supports Palestinians as a people” even mean? How do you support someone in any sense and remain silent when 3000 of their children die at the hands of your ally?


He hasn't stayed silent. He has condemned the killing of innocent people. YOU are choosing to see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

But yes, war is tough. Why has Hamas broken every cease-fire?




Show us his condemnation of Israeli killing of innocent civilians.

Because as recently as today that has not happened, we just get a repeated line that killing civilians is not “an Israeli war aim” which is not a condemnation by any stretch.

He has condemned violence by illegal Israeli settlers but that’s again about three years late in coming…


Google is your friend. Find other sources of information if the ones you are using aren't telling you this.


Biden is blood thirsty. He just wants to kill and terrorize Palestinians so Israelis can take more land.


That’s Joe, all right.

SMH.

Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 23:08     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

Because Trump doesn't want to close the borders to Muslims and deport them back to their "sh!thole" countries.

Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 23:02     Subject: Re:To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

President Joe Biden took a double-digit hit in support from the politically crucial Iowa Democratic caucus, losing backing from women and young voters, a new poll shows.In a new Emerson College polling survey, Biden dropped 19 percentage points – from 69% to 50% – in caucus…

https://www.wgmd.com/poll-shows-biden-lost-double-digit-support-among-iowa-dems/

A new Arab American Institute poll finds that only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for President Biden in 2024 — a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.

Said pollster James Zogby: “This is the most dramatic shift over the shortest period of time that I’ve ever seen.”

“The damage isn’t limited to Biden: Just 23% of Arab Americans identify with the Democratic Party, marking the first time a majority did not claim to prefer the Democrats since the institute began tracking party identification in 1996. Those identifying as Independents rose to 31%, the highest it’s ever been.”

https://politicalwire.com/2023/10/31/poll-suggests-biden-losing-support-of-arab-americans/


Swing-state Muslim Americans threaten to vote against Biden
Muslim Americans voted overwhelmingly for Biden. But community leaders in swing states tell NBC News that the president's handling of the war in Gaza risks losing their support. As Israel’s U.S-backed war against Hamas intensifies and Palestinian civilian deaths mount, a growing number of swing-state Muslim American and Arab American leaders are warning President Joe Biden that he is losing support from their communities in ways that could cost him in next year’s election.

Muslim Americans overwhelmingly backed Biden in 2020 and would be expected to again in 2024, especially if his opponent is former President Donald Trump, who has revived his plans to ban many Muslims from entering the United States.
But in multiple battleground states that Biden won with thin margins last time, a growing chorus of community leaders say his handling of the war in Gaza and Islamophobia at home jeopardize his path to victory in the Electoral College, with many Muslim American and Arab American voters saying they plan to either stay home next November, vote for a write-in or a third-party presidential candidate, or simply leave the top of the ticket blank.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/swing-state-muslim-voters-threaten-vote-against-biden-rcna122870

The poll is the latest evidence that Biden's campaign for a second term in office is rapidly losing Muslim and Arab Americans support over his staunch support of Israel. These voters have traditionally voted for Democratic candidates and are prominent in hotly contested states like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, that could decide the 2024 presidential election.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arab-american-support-biden-democrats-plummets-over-israel-poll-2023-10-31/

Looks like trump will win. Good job Joe! This does not even count the progressives and under 40 voters who are pissed off. Maybe Joe will resign or not run? Can only hope.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 22:48     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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Anonymous wrote:Biden absolutely cannot win Michigan without the Arab-American vote. That group includes Muslims and Christians. Again, the red lights are flashing and Biden’s team is pulling a Robby Mook by looking at faulty data, rather than the talk and feel on the ground. Supporting the UAW can only get Biden so far in the Great Lakes state. He needs to change his tune asap.


He supports Israel as a country. He supports Palestinians as a people. He opposes Hamas. That is his message. What else would you have him do or say?


He will have to deliver that message in person multiple times in the next few months.


What does “supports Palestinians as a people” even mean? How do you support someone in any sense and remain silent when 3000 of their children die at the hands of your ally?


He hasn't stayed silent. He has condemned the killing of innocent people. YOU are choosing to see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

But yes, war is tough. Why has Hamas broken every cease-fire?




Show us his condemnation of Israeli killing of innocent civilians.

Because as recently as today that has not happened, we just get a repeated line that killing civilians is not “an Israeli war aim” which is not a condemnation by any stretch.

He has condemned violence by illegal Israeli settlers but that’s again about three years late in coming…


Google is your friend. Find other sources of information if the ones you are using aren't telling you this.


Biden is blood thirsty. He just wants to kill and terrorize Palestinians so Israelis can take more land.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 21:56     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Yes it is.


A voice from the anti-democracy community! But we can be sure they love "freedom"!



2024 is going to be awesome. You're going to keep chanting "If you don't for democrats, you're anti-democracy!"

...and people are just going to smile.

The GOP overturning women’s right to bodily autonomy was a big one and in the few special elections since the GOP dogs got a mouth full of bumper, the pro choice side wins. Ignore at your peril.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 21:15     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Biden absolutely cannot win Michigan without the Arab-American vote. That group includes Muslims and Christians. Again, the red lights are flashing and Biden’s team is pulling a Robby Mook by looking at faulty data, rather than the talk and feel on the ground. Supporting the UAW can only get Biden so far in the Great Lakes state. He needs to change his tune asap.


He supports Israel as a country. He supports Palestinians as a people. He opposes Hamas. That is his message. What else would you have him do or say?


He will have to deliver that message in person multiple times in the next few months.


What does “supports Palestinians as a people” even mean? How do you support someone in any sense and remain silent when 3000 of their children die at the hands of your ally?


He hasn't stayed silent. He has condemned the killing of innocent people. YOU are choosing to see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

But yes, war is tough. Why has Hamas broken every cease-fire?




Show us his condemnation of Israeli killing of innocent civilians.

Because as recently as today that has not happened, we just get a repeated line that killing civilians is not “an Israeli war aim” which is not a condemnation by any stretch.

He has condemned violence by illegal Israeli settlers but that’s again about three years late in coming…


Google is your friend. Find other sources of information if the ones you are using aren't telling you this.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 21:14     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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Anonymous wrote:Biden absolutely cannot win Michigan without the Arab-American vote. That group includes Muslims and Christians. Again, the red lights are flashing and Biden’s team is pulling a Robby Mook by looking at faulty data, rather than the talk and feel on the ground. Supporting the UAW can only get Biden so far in the Great Lakes state. He needs to change his tune asap.


He supports Israel as a country. He supports Palestinians as a people. He opposes Hamas. That is his message. What else would you have him do or say?


He will have to deliver that message in person multiple times in the next few months.


What does “supports Palestinians as a people” even mean? How do you support someone in any sense and remain silent when 3000 of their children die at the hands of your ally?


He hasn't stayed silent. He has condemned the killing of innocent people. YOU are choosing to see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

But yes, war is tough. Why has Hamas broken every cease-fire?


Google is your friend. Find other sources of information if the ones you are using aren't telling you this.

Show us his condemnation of Israeli killing of innocent civilians.

Because as recently as today that has not happened, we just get a repeated line that killing civilians is not “an Israeli war aim” which is not a condemnation by any stretch.

He has condemned violence by illegal Israeli settlers but that’s again about three years late in coming…
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 20:11     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes it is.


A voice from the anti-democracy community! But we can be sure they love "freedom"!



2024 is going to be awesome. You're going to keep chanting "If you don't for democrats, you're anti-democracy!"

...and people are just going to smile.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 20:04     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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Anonymous wrote:Biden absolutely cannot win Michigan without the Arab-American vote. That group includes Muslims and Christians. Again, the red lights are flashing and Biden’s team is pulling a Robby Mook by looking at faulty data, rather than the talk and feel on the ground. Supporting the UAW can only get Biden so far in the Great Lakes state. He needs to change his tune asap.


He supports Israel as a country. He supports Palestinians as a people. He opposes Hamas. That is his message. What else would you have him do or say?


He will have to deliver that message in person multiple times in the next few months.


What does “supports Palestinians as a people” even mean? How do you support someone in any sense and remain silent when 3000 of their children die at the hands of your ally?


He hasn't stayed silent. He has condemned the killing of innocent people. YOU are choosing to see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

But yes, war is tough. Why has Hamas broken every cease-fire?


Show us his condemnation of Israeli killing of innocent civilians.

Because as recently as today that has not happened, we just get a repeated line that killing civilians is not “an Israeli war aim” which is not a condemnation by any stretch.

He has condemned violence by illegal Israeli settlers but that’s again about three years late in coming…
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2023 19:09     Subject: Re:To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.


If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.


Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.


They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.


Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?





The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.


I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.


Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.


If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.


I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.


Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.


Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?


Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.


The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.


The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.


NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.


We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.


I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.


Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.


His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago


I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.


This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.


You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.


If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.


There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.


Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.


Being under indictment is not cause for not being on the ballot. Trump will be the GOP nominee, short of death. So your choice is Trump or whatever Dem, including Biden, is on the ticket against him.


Unless it is.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-ballot-14th-amendment-colorado-f5d6c6174476ec414208323785df6e15

If Biden wants the votes he needs to make a positive case. A bunch of screeching people saying not committing to a Biden vote a year before the election is akin to a Trump vote is hysteria. Earn the votes! Go do some real outreach in Michigan! Act like workers matter! Act like you learned anything from 2016.


Biden has been to Michigan at least 6 times since taking office. How much more "outreach" do you expect of him there?


A whole lot more to the Muslim community he’s presently alienating and cannot win without.




Muslims are 1 percent of the US population. And they are certainly not finding a happy home in the Republican Party. Supporting Hamas is not a winning issue for either party. The vast, vast majority of Americans - on all sides - are appalled by what happened on 10/7 and will support Israel as they counter it. It's the hard right and the far left that are pro-Hamas. Elections won't be won or lost in that space.

According to Pew, more Dems support Palestine over Israel. The current protests against Israel defending itself are all by the left wing of the party. Biden (rightly) has committed America to unwavering support of Israel and the IDF. Israel has taken an extremely methodical approach to fighting the war and destroying Hamas. Meaning this will be a months long operation. Biden needs to be worried about losing a significant portion of his base-the far left.


This is blatantly false. Here is exactly what Pew says:

"Americans overall view Israeli people more favorably than Palestinians.

Two-thirds of Americans express at least a somewhat favorable view of the Israeli people, including one-in-five who say they feel very favorably toward the Israelis. Opinion about the Palestinian people is somewhat cooler: 52% of the public has a favorable view, and one-in-ten U.S. adults have a very favorable opinion of the Palestinians."

Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/26/modest-warming-in-u-s-views-on-israel-and-palestinians/

Also, here is another poll AFTER THE HAMAS ATTACK that contradicts you:
"Indeed, 7 in 10 Americans — including 81 percent of Republicans and 74 percent of Democrats — support providing aid to Israel, while a plurality (41 percent) say it would be a “good idea” to send Israel weapons if needed, per Economist/YouGov polling. "

Also, from the journalist: "Frankly, in my five decades of experience in politics, including polling extensively on issues related to Israel and the America-Israel relationship, the current support for Israel’s right to defend itself against terrorists who seek its destruction is like nothing I’ve seen before and speaks to the impact of the savagery the entire world witnessed on Oct.7. "

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4269507-poll-what-americans-really-think-about-the-israel-hamas-war/

Please get your facts straight or you only cause more divisiveness.




After the butchery on 10/7, American support for Israel is pretty universal. Personally, I think Biden is too old. Bit he's been remarkably good with both Israel and Ukraine. Maybe he loses Dearborn, but he's definitely winning independents.


He has lost 11% of democrats and 5% of independents with his trip to bend his knee and kiss Netanyahu. His poll numbers are because of his support for Israel. You are pretty funny with Americans support Israel. The establishment Washington supports Israel. The vast majority of Americans could not find Israel on a map and do not care about Israel.

Biden will be the last democratic president to support Israel and joke about a two state solution. The Republican are mostly white nationalists and will turn on Israel. Their core beliefs do not line up with the state of Israel existence.


You don't understand anything about fundamental Christianity or History. Most fundamentalist Christians can in fact find Israel on a map and care about Israel because of what they read in the Bible.

We were desperate for a private school that had structure, textbooks, and workbooks for our son who had ADHD and was doing awful in public school. Very close to our house was a private Christian school. We aren't religious so it was interesting to see their world view. My son studied that Jews are the chosen people and the history of the Jewish people- Abraham was chosen by God to leave Ur (in Mesopotamia) and travel to Canaan (Israel) to start a new nation, Jews were exiled to Babylon for 70 years and then returned, their enslavement in Egypt and their exodus back to Israel. His teachers spoke glowingly of Israel and fear if it were to be completely taken over by Muslims.


So you are saying everyone in the US is like that…lol!


The previous poster wrote, "The Republican are mostly white nationalists and will turn on Israel. Their core beliefs do not line up with the state of Israel existence." I am explaining why they won't.
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Post 10/31/2023 18:32     Subject: To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

Anonymous wrote:Yes it is.


A voice from the anti-democracy community! But we can be sure they love "freedom"!