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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people can’t accept the the 2nd amendment like all 10 in the bill of rights are individual rights and that OP is exceeding here right within the process required by DC to carry a concealed weapon.

Not sure why some people think 2A is somehow absolute when none of the others are (for example 1A does not give you the absolute right to say you are a cop or a doctor when you are not, to make false claims about goods and services, to threaten to kill or harm someone etc). 2A did clearly say "well regulated."

Yeah, it also says “shall not be infringed.”

The problem isn’t lack of regulation, as even a cursory review of the voluminous relevant federal, state, DC, and local statutes and regulations will confirm.

The problem is the failure to enforce these various, cumulative and duplicative laws, particularly against a ruthlessly violent and incorrigible criminal subculture that consistently treated as above the law because its members and their conferees are politically useful.

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Anonymous wrote:Born and raised in DC. Unlike a lot of the posters on here, the transplants. Glad I never came back to the “pit city” after I graduated, Was unable to own a gun legally. Had my dad mugged in broad day light in the alley taking out the trash, my great aunt mugged on Connecticut Ave walking to church, neighbors boyfriend shot house sitting by thieves and he crawled bleeding to her house a lock down. All this in 1988. DC has some very stupid gun hating activists. Live there long enough, you see how stupid. Carl Rowan for example, a “journalist” who decried anyone in dc having a gun and was pro ban, used an illegal handgun to shoot a BCC student pool hopping in Forrest Hill home in 1988, then got busted lying about what happened. Rules for thee but not for me. Glad you are carrying. I’m glad all my remaining family in DC is now strapped. A polite society is an armed society.

Agreed. This is why many natives hate the transplants. Most of them are midwestern rube types desperate to escape their "small minded" hometowns so they come here and try to boss the rest of us around.They view DC as some kind of progressive utopia and completely avoid admitting the reality of life for most of us who actually grew up in DC. It's very different thing to be an adult at a high paying government job driving into work everyday in your Volvo than it is to be a child trying to navigate a high crime, very dangerous city. I have zero tolerance for transplants who want to hand wring about "stop talking about crime, it isn't that bad!" It's not bad TO YOU because you probably live in a privileged part of town and can avoid it. When youre a kid or a vulnerable person, you cannot avoid it. Youre stuck in it. It's like Mike Tyson said "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face"

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people can’t accept the the 2nd amendment like all 10 in the bill of rights are individual rights and that OP is exceeding here right within the process required by DC to carry a concealed weapon.

Not sure why some people think 2A is somehow absolute when none of the others are (for example 1A does not give you the absolute right to say you are a cop or a doctor when you are not, to make false claims about goods and services, to threaten to kill or harm someone etc). 2A did clearly say "well regulated."

+1

2A rights are limited. Expanded background checks would better "prohibit firearm possession by dangerous people".

“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”
-Scalia

Great “proof quote.” Did you read the rest? Including the holding where they found DC gun laws at the time unconstitutional?

And there has been a great loss of life associated with that ruling.


Gun laws reduce gun fatalities.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people can’t accept the the 2nd amendment like all 10 in the bill of rights are individual rights and that OP is exceeding here right within the process required by DC to carry a concealed weapon.

Not sure why some people think 2A is somehow absolute when none of the others are (for example 1A does not give you the absolute right to say you are a cop or a doctor when you are not, to make false claims about goods and services, to threaten to kill or harm someone etc). 2A did clearly say "well regulated."

+1

2A rights are limited. Expanded background checks would better "prohibit firearm possession by dangerous people".

“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”
-Scalia

Great “proof quote.” Did you read the rest? Including the holding where they found DC gun laws at the time unconstitutional?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people can’t accept the the 2nd amendment like all 10 in the bill of rights are individual rights and that OP is exceeding here right within the process required by DC to carry a concealed weapon.

Not sure why some people think 2A is somehow absolute when none of the others are (for example 1A does not give you the absolute right to say you are a cop or a doctor when you are not, to make false claims about goods and services, to threaten to kill or harm someone etc). 2A did clearly say "well regulated."

+1

2A rights are limited. Expanded background checks would better "prohibit firearm possession by dangerous people".

“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”
-Scalia

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people can’t accept the the 2nd amendment like all 10 in the bill of rights are individual rights and that OP is exceeding here right within the process required by DC to carry a concealed weapon.

Not sure why some people think 2A is somehow absolute when none of the others are (for example 1A does not give you the absolute right to say you are a cop or a doctor when you are not, to make false claims about goods and services, to threaten to kill or harm someone etc). 2A did clearly say "well regulated."

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Anonymous wrote:US has more than enough gun laws already. Convicted of a crime using a gun then get an extra 20-25 years added to the sentence. Problem with criminal gun violence drops drastically.

Of course need the police to arrest and prosecute rd to prosecute.

I don't think our gun laws are sufficient. At a bare minimum we need mandatory background checks and mandatory reporting of serial number data to go into a persistent searchable database EVERY TIME a gun changes hands. That would close a lot of loopholes. That way, every time a criminal is found with a gun, we will know exactly where it came from and what "law abiding" gun owner had it last. And if he didn't report it lost or stolen at the time it happened then he should be charged as an accessory with 20-25 years sentence. Also, if you have more than one gun "lost" or "stolen" you immediately lose the right to own guns because you are not a responsible person. Along with completely outlawing manufacture or possession of untraceable gun parts.

+1

Almost every gun on the street today was legally purchased at some point.

Almost every car on the road used in a drunk driving crash or aggressive driving incident was legally purchased at some point.

And we can track down the owner by VIN number.

Maybe we should regulate guns as much as we regulate cars/driving.

Guns have serial numbers.

And we should have a national database to track each and every one of them and every time one is recovered in a crime, the last known owner of it also goes to jail as an accomplice.

Something like that would stop a bunch of the aholes supplying guns to criminals in a heartbeat.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people can’t accept the the 2nd amendment like all 10 in the bill of rights are individual rights and that OP is exceeding here right within the process required by DC to carry a concealed weapon.

Not sure why some people think 2A is somehow absolute when none of the others are (for example 1A does not give you the absolute right to say you are a cop or a doctor when you are not, to make false claims about goods and services, to threaten to kill or harm someone etc). 2A did clearly say "well regulated."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Born and raised in DC. Unlike a lot of the posters on here, the transplants. Glad I never came back to the “pit city” after I graduated, Was unable to own a gun legally. Had my dad mugged in broad day light in the alley taking out the trash, my great aunt mugged on Connecticut Ave walking to church, neighbors boyfriend shot house sitting by thieves and he crawled bleeding to her house a lock down. All this in 1988. DC has some very stupid gun hating activists. Live there long enough, you see how stupid. Carl Rowan for example, a “journalist” who decried anyone in dc having a gun and was pro ban, used an illegal handgun to shoot a BCC student pool hopping in Forrest Hill home in 1988, then got busted lying about what happened. Rules for thee but not for me. Glad you are carrying. I’m glad all my remaining family in DC is now strapped. A polite society is an armed society.

Agreed. This is why many natives hate the transplants. Most of them are midwestern rube types desperate to escape their "small minded" hometowns so they come here and try to boss the rest of us around.They view DC as some kind of progressive utopia and completely avoid admitting the reality of life for most of us who actually grew up in DC. It's very different thing to be an adult at a high paying government job driving into work everyday in your Volvo than it is to be a child trying to navigate a high crime, very dangerous city. I have zero tolerance for transplants who want to hand wring about "stop talking about crime, it isn't that bad!" It's not bad TO YOU because you probably live in a privileged part of town and can avoid it. When youre a kid or a vulnerable person, you cannot avoid it. Youre stuck in it. It's like Mike Tyson said "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people can’t accept the the 2nd amendment like all 10 in the bill of rights are individual rights and that OP is exceeding here right within the process required by DC to carry a concealed weapon.

Not sure why some people think 2A is somehow absolute when none of the others are (for example 1A does not give you the absolute right to say you are a cop or a doctor when you are not, to make false claims about goods and services, to threaten to kill or harm someone etc). 2A did clearly say "well regulated."

Anonymous wrote:Born and raised in DC. Unlike a lot of the posters on here, the transplants. Glad I never came back to the “pit city” after I graduated, Was unable to own a gun legally. Had my dad mugged in broad day light in the alley taking out the trash, my great aunt mugged on Connecticut Ave walking to church, neighbors boyfriend shot house sitting by thieves and he crawled bleeding to her house a lock down. All this in 1988. DC has some very stupid gun hating activists. Live there long enough, you see how stupid. Carl Rowan for example, a “journalist” who decried anyone in dc having a gun and was pro ban, used an illegal handgun to shoot a BCC student pool hopping in Forrest Hill home in 1988, then got busted lying about what happened. Rules for thee but not for me. Glad you are carrying. I’m glad all my remaining family in DC is now strapped. A polite society is an armed society.

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why people can’t accept the the 2nd amendment like all 10 in the bill of rights are individual rights and that OP is exceeding here right within the process required by DC to carry a concealed weapon.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:US has more than enough gun laws already. Convicted of a crime using a gun then get an extra 20-25 years added to the sentence. Problem with criminal gun violence drops drastically.

Of course need the police to arrest and prosecute rd to prosecute.

I don't think our gun laws are sufficient. At a bare minimum we need mandatory background checks and mandatory reporting of serial number data to go into a persistent searchable database EVERY TIME a gun changes hands. That would close a lot of loopholes. That way, every time a criminal is found with a gun, we will know exactly where it came from and what "law abiding" gun owner had it last. And if he didn't report it lost or stolen at the time it happened then he should be charged as an accessory with 20-25 years sentence. Also, if you have more than one gun "lost" or "stolen" you immediately lose the right to own guns because you are not a responsible person. Along with completely outlawing manufacture or possession of untraceable gun parts.

+1

Almost every gun on the street today was legally purchased at some point.

Almost every car on the road used in a drunk driving crash or aggressive driving incident was legally purchased at some point.

And we can track down the owner by VIN number.

Maybe we should regulate guns as much as we regulate cars/driving.

Guns have serial numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Well this thread has gotten dumb. Thanks everyone

Yup. The cognitive dissonance hurts the 2A brain too much for them to respond rationally.