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Anonymous wrote:This thread should have been aborted a long time ago. There is nothing new to discuss here. There are three camps:
1) Everything regarding an unborn child is a woman's choice and anyone trying to take away that choice is a misogynist. (Most)
2) An unborn mass of cells, fetus, etc. is a human and that life should be preserved at all costs. Anyone aborting or practicing abortion is evil. (Many)
3) Until the 24th week of gestation, abortion is acceptable and legal, but after that point should be illegal except in cases of legitimate health concerns for mother or child. (Some)

What else is there to discuss?

The many, many states that are passing laws in opposition to fifty years of legal precedent? Florida, the third largest state, passed a 15-week ban and there’s been zero coverage of it in the “liberal media.”

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Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Nobody on this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.

This forum is largely privileged UMC folks, including myself. But lots of folks commit suicide.

The poor and miserable in this country are absolutely killing themselves. Look at the overdose rate. Look at the rates of obesity, diabetes, and metabolic disorders. And in my circles at least, this includes several people who were adoptees. It appears that even a loving home can’t save folks from the fundamental trauma of not being wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Nobody on this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.

This forum is largely privileged UMC folks, including myself. But lots of folks commit suicide.

The poor and miserable in this country are absolutely killing themselves. Look at the overdose rate. Look at the rates of obesity, diabetes, and metabolic disorders. And in my circles at least, this includes several people who were adoptees. It appears that even a loving home can’t save folks from the fundamental trauma of not being wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Nobody on this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.

I have a child born into a happy marriage when I was 32 who has a a panoply of special needs. If I had given birth to this child when I was pregnant and unmarried at 19 I would have absolutely killed myself by now. The only way I have been able to take proper care of him and myself is with the education, experience, family and financial support that I have now but didn’t have then.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Nobody on this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.

This forum is largely privileged UMC folks, including myself. But lots of folks commit suicide.

The poor and miserable in this country are absolutely killing themselves. Look at the overdose rate. Look at the rates of obesity, diabetes, and metabolic disorders. And in my circles at least, this includes several people who were adoptees. It appears that even a loving home can’t save folks from the fundamental trauma of not being wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Nobody on this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Nobody on this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.

This forum is largely privileged UMC folks, including myself. But lots of folks commit suicide.

Anonymous wrote:This thread should have been aborted a long time ago. There is nothing new to discuss here. There are three camps:
1) Everything regarding an unborn child is a woman's choice and anyone trying to take away that choice is a misogynist. (Most)
2) An unborn mass of cells, fetus, etc. is a human and that life should be preserved at all costs. Anyone aborting or practicing abortion is evil. (Many)
3) Until the 24th week of gestation, abortion is acceptable and legal, but after that point should be illegal except in cases of legitimate health concerns for mother or child. (Some)

What else is there to discuss?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Nobody on this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Nobody on this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.

Anonymous wrote:This thread should have been aborted a long time ago. There is nothing new to discuss here. There are three camps:
1) Everything regarding an unborn child is a woman's choice and anyone trying to take away that choice is a misogynist. (Most)
2) An unborn mass of cells, fetus, etc. is a human and that life should be preserved at all costs. Anyone aborting or practicing abortion is evil. (Many)
3) Until the 24th week of gestation, abortion is acceptable and legal, but after that point should be illegal except in cases of legitimate health concerns for mother or child. (Some)

What else is there to discuss?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option.

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is.

But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around.