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Columbia is an Ivy + in a rapidly gentrifying part of Manhattan.

There's no shortage of top, wealthy international students that wouldn't rush the opportunity to attend Columbia. By that metric, it's really only behind Harvard since the name brand carries so much weight and Cambridge/Boston is cosmopolitan enough. MIT, Stanford, and for some even Berkeley beat it for engineering-focused internationals.

Wealthy international students, and even wealthy American students today, want to attend school in wealthy metropolises, not a third-rate town like Yale's or a sleepy suburb like Princeton, or worse a rural middle of nowhere like Dartmouth. Not to add these schools reflect the epitome of old-money WASP snobbery with weirdly exclusive clubs, which wealthy internationals would avoid given they have more cosmopolitan options.

Harvard is ironically the most diverse in this aspect, other than perhaps Brown/Cornell.

Penn is in Philadelphia, Chicago in Chicago and Hopkins in Baltimore - none of these cities are particularly attractive to any international or even American students for obvious reasons.

Both UCLA and NYU have received huge boosts in both applicant numbers and general reputation. They are in the most desirable parts of the two largest and most internationally well-known cities in the US.

Please explain the "obvious" reasons. Chicago, for instance, is the 3rd largest city in America and has lots of appeal.

There is a safety concern for U Chicago. Otherwise it will be more attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:tiers based on cross admit preferences, September 2021 edition:

Harvard (55% picks over Stanford, 69% over Yale, 58% over MIT, and 77% over Princeton, 85% over Columbia)

Stanford (loses to Harvard, but 66% over MIT, 61% over Yale, 71% over Princeton, 83% over Columbia)

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MIT (loses to H and S, 67% over Yale, 55% over Princeton, 76% over Columbia, 81% over Caltech)

Yale (loses to H, S, and M, but wins 61% over Princeton, 70% over Columbia, 50%-50% tied with Caltech)

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Princeton (loses to all of the above, 65% over Columbia, 56% over Caltech, 76% over Penn, 80% over Duke, 62% over Chicago)

Columbia (loses to HYPSM but wins 58% over Caltech, 63% over Penn/Duke, 73% over Brown/Dartmouth, 65% over Chicago)

Caltech (loses to HYPSM, Columbia, but edges out Penn with 56%, Duke with 75%, Brown with 57%, Dartmouth with 60%, loses to Chicago with 47%, tied with Yale 50%-50%) - really an outlier here

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Penn (loses to Columbia, Caltech and HYPSM, 51% over Duke, wins 63% over Brown, 60% over Dartmouth, and 60% over Chicago)

Duke (loses to HYPSM, Columbia, Caltech, and marginally loses to Penn by only 2%, 59% over Brown, 63% over Dartmouth, and 57% over Chicago)

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Brown (loses to all of the above, tied 50%-50% with Chicago, but 65% over Dartmouth, 76% over Cornell, 86% over JHU, 64% over Northwestern, 67% over Rice)

Chicago (loses to all of the above except Caltech, tied 50%-50% with Brown, 54% over Dartmouth, 69% over Northwestern, 69% over JHU, 66% over Rice)

Dartmouth (loses to all of the above, 68% over Cornell, 59% over JHU, 61% over Northwestern, 71% over Rice)

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Cornell (loses to all of the above, 55% over Northwestern, 54% over JHU/Notre Dame, roughly tied with WashU, loses 47% to Rice)

Northwestern (loses to all of the above, 65% over JHU, 66% over Vanderbilt, 51% over WashU, 58% over Rice, but loses 44% to Notre Dame)

Rice (loses to all of the above, 55% over JHU, 57% over WashU, 53% over Cornell, 54% over Notre Dame)

JHU (loses to all of the above, 50-50% tied with Notre Dame, 57% over Vanderbilt, 53% over WashU)

Notre Dame (loses to all above, 50-50% tied with JHU, 74% over WashU, 70% over Vanderbilt)

WashU (roughly tied or loses to all of the above, 56% over Vanderbilt)

Vanderbilt (loses to all of the above, 50-50% tied with Rice)

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UCLA and other USNWR 20+ schools (loses to all of the above)

Harvard Stanford
MIT Yale
Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Duke
Brown Chicago Dartmouth
Cornell Northwestern Rice JHU Notre Dame WashU Vanderbilt

I think this is the most accurate tier list so far... which makes sense because parchment measures the relative desirability of these schools.

Anonymous wrote:tiers based on cross admit preferences, September 2021 edition:

Harvard (55% picks over Stanford, 69% over Yale, 58% over MIT, and 77% over Princeton, 85% over Columbia)

Stanford (loses to Harvard, but 66% over MIT, 61% over Yale, 71% over Princeton, 83% over Columbia)

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MIT (loses to H and S, 67% over Yale, 55% over Princeton, 76% over Columbia, 81% over Caltech)

Yale (loses to H, S, and M, but wins 61% over Princeton, 70% over Columbia, 50%-50% tied with Caltech)

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Princeton (loses to all of the above, 65% over Columbia, 56% over Caltech, 76% over Penn, 80% over Duke, 62% over Chicago)

Columbia (loses to HYPSM but wins 58% over Caltech, 63% over Penn/Duke, 73% over Brown/Dartmouth, 65% over Chicago)

Caltech (loses to HYPSM, Columbia, but edges out Penn with 56%, Duke with 75%, Brown with 57%, Dartmouth with 60%, loses to Chicago with 47%, tied with Yale 50%-50%) - really an outlier here

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Penn (loses to Columbia, Caltech and HYPSM, 51% over Duke, wins 63% over Brown, 60% over Dartmouth, and 60% over Chicago)

Duke (loses to HYPSM, Columbia, Caltech, and marginally loses to Penn by only 2%, 59% over Brown, 63% over Dartmouth, and 57% over Chicago)

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Brown (loses to all of the above, tied 50%-50% with Chicago, but 65% over Dartmouth, 76% over Cornell, 86% over JHU, 64% over Northwestern, 67% over Rice)

Chicago (loses to all of the above except Caltech, tied 50%-50% with Brown, 54% over Dartmouth, 69% over Northwestern, 69% over JHU, 66% over Rice)

Dartmouth (loses to all of the above, 68% over Cornell, 59% over JHU, 61% over Northwestern, 71% over Rice)

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Cornell (loses to all of the above, 55% over Northwestern, 54% over JHU/Notre Dame, roughly tied with WashU, loses 47% to Rice)

Northwestern (loses to all of the above, 65% over JHU, 66% over Vanderbilt, 51% over WashU, 58% over Rice, but loses 44% to Notre Dame)

Rice (loses to all of the above, 55% over JHU, 57% over WashU, 53% over Cornell, 54% over Notre Dame)

JHU (loses to all of the above, 50-50% tied with Notre Dame, 57% over Vanderbilt, 53% over WashU)

Notre Dame (loses to all above, 50-50% tied with JHU, 74% over WashU, 70% over Vanderbilt)

WashU (roughly tied or loses to all of the above, 56% over Vanderbilt)

Vanderbilt (loses to all of the above, 50-50% tied with Rice)

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UCLA and other USNWR 20+ schools (loses to all of the above)

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but for the 100th time, Parchment is NOT accurate or reliable.

What is sad is knowing there are parents who come on here pushing their kids’ 4 year college experience based on what they see in parchment. Parchment is is for entertainment purpose; it’s comedy, like Saturday Night Live. You have to feel sorry for kids who got these parents who are dumb as a rock.

What's sad is seeing posters who derive so much of their sense of self-worth from what might be a short-lived blip in the ranking of one school by a single publication. You end up credentialing that one publication and revealing your own insecurities far more than you'll probably ever realize.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but for the 100th time, Parchment is NOT accurate or reliable.

What is sad is knowing there are parents who come on here pushing their kids’ 4 year college experience based on what they see in parchment. Parchment is is for entertainment purpose; it’s comedy, like Saturday Night Live. You have to feel sorry for kids who got these parents who are dumb as a rock.

What's sad is seeing posters who derive so much of their sense of self-worth from what might be a short-lived blip in the ranking of one school by a single publication. You end up credentialing that one publication and revealing your own insecurities far more than you'll probably ever realize.

What's sad is seeing certain self-righteous posters who refuse to see the whole picture (and a quickly changing college admissions landscape) and stick to their preconceived notions and fail to base their argument on any substantial data. All I can see on this thread is just some incoherent, biased, (and incredibly racist) rants.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but for the 100th time, Parchment is NOT accurate or reliable.

What is sad is knowing there are parents who come on here pushing their kids’ 4 year college experience based on what they see in parchment. Parchment is is for entertainment purpose; it’s comedy, like Saturday Night Live. You have to feel sorry for kids who got these parents who are dumb as a rock.

What's sad is seeing posters who derive so much of their sense of self-worth from what might be a short-lived blip in the ranking of one school by a single publication. You end up credentialing that one publication and revealing your own insecurities far more than you'll probably ever realize.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but for the 100th time, Parchment is NOT accurate or reliable.

What is sad is knowing there are parents who come on here pushing their kids’ 4 year college experience based on what they see in parchment. Parchment is is for entertainment purpose; it’s comedy, like Saturday Night Live. You have to feel sorry for kids who got these parents who are dumb as a rock.

Anonymous wrote:DP, but for the 100th time, Parchment is NOT accurate or reliable.

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Anonymous wrote:tiers based on cross admit preferences, September 2021 edition:

Harvard (55% picks over Stanford, 69% over Yale, 58% over MIT, and 77% over Princeton, 85% over Columbia)

Stanford (loses to Harvard, but 66% over MIT, 61% over Yale, 71% over Princeton, 83% over Columbia)

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MIT (loses to H and S, 67% over Yale, 55% over Princeton, 76% over Columbia, 81% over Caltech)

Yale (loses to H, S, and M, but wins 61% over Princeton, 70% over Columbia, 50%-50% tied with Caltech)

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Princeton (loses to all of the above, 65% over Columbia, 56% over Caltech, 76% over Penn, 80% over Duke, 62% over Chicago)

Columbia (loses to HYPSM but wins 58% over Caltech, 63% over Penn/Duke, 73% over Brown/Dartmouth, 65% over Chicago)

Caltech (loses to HYPSM, Columbia, but edges out Penn with 56%, Duke with 75%, Brown with 57%, Dartmouth with 60%, loses to Chicago with 47%, tied with Yale 50%-50%) - really an outlier here

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Penn (loses to Columbia, Caltech and HYPSM, 51% over Duke, wins 63% over Brown, 60% over Dartmouth, and 60% over Chicago)

Duke (loses to HYPSM, Columbia, Caltech, and marginally loses to Penn by only 2%, 59% over Brown, 63% over Dartmouth, and 57% over Chicago)

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Brown (loses to all of the above, tied 50%-50% with Chicago, but 65% over Dartmouth, 76% over Cornell, 86% over JHU, 64% over Northwestern, 67% over Rice)

Chicago (loses to all of the above except Caltech, tied 50%-50% with Brown, 54% over Dartmouth, 69% over Northwestern, 69% over JHU, 66% over Rice)

Dartmouth (loses to all of the above, 68% over Cornell, 59% over JHU, 61% over Northwestern, 71% over Rice)

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Cornell (loses to all of the above, 55% over Northwestern, 54% over JHU/Notre Dame, roughly tied with WashU, loses 47% to Rice)

Northwestern (loses to all of the above, 65% over JHU, 66% over Vanderbilt, 51% over WashU, 58% over Rice, but loses 44% to Notre Dame)

Rice (loses to all of the above, 55% over JHU, 57% over WashU, 53% over Cornell, 54% over Notre Dame)

JHU (loses to all of the above, 50-50% tied with Notre Dame, 57% over Vanderbilt, 53% over WashU)

Notre Dame (loses to all above, 50-50% tied with JHU, 74% over WashU, 70% over Vanderbilt)

WashU (roughly tied or loses to all of the above, 56% over Vanderbilt)

Vanderbilt (loses to all of the above, 50-50% tied with Rice)

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UCLA and other USNWR 20+ schools (loses to all of the above)

Parchment also says,

60% Wake Forest vs 40% Princeton
57% Virginia Tech vs 43% Princeton
68% Virginia Tech vs 33% Yale
57% James Madison U vs 43% Harvard
60% James Madison vs 40% Yale

Parchment says so - with 95% confidence interval - so it must be so.

Anonymous wrote:tiers based on cross admit preferences, September 2021 edition:

Harvard (55% picks over Stanford, 69% over Yale, 58% over MIT, and 77% over Princeton, 85% over Columbia)

Stanford (loses to Harvard, but 66% over MIT, 61% over Yale, 71% over Princeton, 83% over Columbia)

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MIT (loses to H and S, 67% over Yale, 55% over Princeton, 76% over Columbia, 81% over Caltech)

Yale (loses to H, S, and M, but wins 61% over Princeton, 70% over Columbia, 50%-50% tied with Caltech)

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Princeton (loses to all of the above, 65% over Columbia, 56% over Caltech, 76% over Penn, 80% over Duke, 62% over Chicago)

Columbia (loses to HYPSM but wins 58% over Caltech, 63% over Penn/Duke, 73% over Brown/Dartmouth, 65% over Chicago)

Caltech (loses to HYPSM, Columbia, but edges out Penn with 56%, Duke with 75%, Brown with 57%, Dartmouth with 60%, loses to Chicago with 47%, tied with Yale 50%-50%) - really an outlier here

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Penn (loses to Columbia, Caltech and HYPSM, 51% over Duke, wins 63% over Brown, 60% over Dartmouth, and 60% over Chicago)

Duke (loses to HYPSM, Columbia, Caltech, and marginally loses to Penn by only 2%, 59% over Brown, 63% over Dartmouth, and 57% over Chicago)

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Brown (loses to all of the above, tied 50%-50% with Chicago, but 65% over Dartmouth, 76% over Cornell, 86% over JHU, 64% over Northwestern, 67% over Rice)

Chicago (loses to all of the above except Caltech, tied 50%-50% with Brown, 54% over Dartmouth, 69% over Northwestern, 69% over JHU, 66% over Rice)

Dartmouth (loses to all of the above, 68% over Cornell, 59% over JHU, 61% over Northwestern, 71% over Rice)

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Cornell (loses to all of the above, 55% over Northwestern, 54% over JHU/Notre Dame, roughly tied with WashU, loses 47% to Rice)

Northwestern (loses to all of the above, 65% over JHU, 66% over Vanderbilt, 51% over WashU, 58% over Rice, but loses 44% to Notre Dame)

Rice (loses to all of the above, 55% over JHU, 57% over WashU, 53% over Cornell, 54% over Notre Dame)

JHU (loses to all of the above, 50-50% tied with Notre Dame, 57% over Vanderbilt, 53% over WashU)

Notre Dame (loses to all above, 50-50% tied with JHU, 74% over WashU, 70% over Vanderbilt)

WashU (roughly tied or loses to all of the above, 56% over Vanderbilt)

Vanderbilt (loses to all of the above, 50-50% tied with Rice)

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UCLA and other USNWR 20+ schools (loses to all of the above)

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Anonymous wrote:So go puke. Can we fetch you a pail to upchuck your stupidity and arrogance ?

Plenty of drunken idiots throwing up on Yale campus on Friday and Saturday nights.

I met plenty of losers who attended Yale. Not all were top students.

Did one of them puke on you or something? That’s a lot of resentment packed into a few sentences.

Lots of parents that send there kids off to yale and harvard and columbia are a little surprised and disappointed at all the drinking and puking. You think these places are more special and different than they are in fact. All great schools but they are still full of puking undergrads like all the rest.

Harvard and Yale a tier above Columbia. Columbia is peers with Penn

And your reasoning behind this statement?

If this isn't apparent to you, you are lost. Harvard and Yale both have endowments above $30B+. Columbia isn't even worth $10B

In fact, Notre Dame is richer and has more resources than Columbia

Or Michigan and Northwestern for that matter. But no one would really turn down Columbia for Michigan, NW, or Notre Dame given the chance. Just like very few would turn down Harvard or Yale for Columbia, unless for financial aid reasons.

Never heard anyone who turned down Yale or Princeton for Columbia. The students and their parents are smarter than some of the folks here because they know where they should go when they are admitted to Columbia and Yale/Princeton. The lopsided decisions are not even close.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Princeton+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

Yes, Yale and Princeton are preferred over Columbia, but the numbers should actually be less than the parchment report because of Columbia’s ED. Those who have Columbia as their first choice would ED and not apply to Yale and Princeton, so those people are not counted in this data set.