Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How responsible is Chauvin for GF's death if he was half way dying already from drugs and his heart problems? Shawanda said in the car he was incoherent and hard to wake up. His head seemed to droop on the sidewalk and in Cup Foods.

+1

A poster on this thread will say this is irrelevant, but it is extremely relevant. Floyd was stuffing drugs in his mouth right before his altercation with Chauvin.

Also, the guy in the car with Floyd was actually his drug dealer.

You two wander into a 37 page thread and think you're the first geniuses to come up with these questions? It's been discussed in Court by medical experts. Try to keep up.

Luv you, PP!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How responsible is Chauvin for GF's death if he was half way dying already from drugs and his heart problems? Shawanda said in the car he was incoherent and hard to wake up. His head seemed to droop on the sidewalk and in Cup Foods.

+1

A poster on this thread will say this is irrelevant, but it is extremely relevant. Floyd was stuffing drugs in his mouth right before his altercation with Chauvin.

Also, the guy in the car with Floyd was actually his drug dealer.

You two wander into a 37 page thread and think you're the first geniuses to come up with these questions? It's been discussed in Court by medical experts. Try to keep up.

Anonymous wrote:How responsible is Chauvin for GF's death if he was half way dying already from drugs and his heart problems? Shawanda said in the car he was incoherent and hard to wake up. His head seemed to droop on the sidewalk and in Cup Foods.

+1

A poster on this thread will say this is irrelevant, but it is extremely relevant. Floyd was stuffing drugs in his mouth right before his altercation with Chauvin.

Also, the guy in the car with Floyd was actually his drug dealer.

Anonymous wrote:Not only did that expert possibly seal Chauvin’s Second Degree Murder fate, by his testimony that he agreed that Chauvin acknowledged Floyd saying, “I can’t breath, my back hurts, my legs hurt, my body hurts” etc, and Chauvin can be heard saying, “uh-huh” implicating him that he was aware that Floyd was struggling and did nothing to help him. He was also a terrible witness in not being prepared for trial, being unfamiliar with past testimony and reports.

I think Dr. Flower seems more credible, calm and has a better disposition.

IMO Fowler looked arrogant, yet insecure at the same time--if that makes sense. It came across as false confidence. I found him obnoxious.

Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor is doing a clinic--taking Dr. Fowler downtown and apart. It's pretty breath taking.

I'm very much enjoying it! (watching the replay)

Anonymous wrote:How responsible is Chauvin for GF's death if he was half way dying already from drugs and his heart problems? Shawanda said in the car he was incoherent and hard to wake up. His head seemed to droop on the sidewalk and in Cup Foods.

Read the whole thread, this has been covered.

How responsible is Chauvin for GF's death if he was half way dying already from drugs and his heart problems? Shawanda said in the car he was incoherent and hard to wake up. His head seemed to droop on the sidewalk and in Cup Foods.

All roads lead back to Chauvin’s actions and the
“But, for”Rule in his negligence with Floyd.

^what pp mentioned earlier about Fowler’s other case in PG County

Anonymous wrote:Here they go talking about the other case

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The prosecutor is doing a clinic--taking Dr. Fowler downtown and apart. It's pretty breath taking.

Here they go talking about the other case

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Anonymous wrote:Who actually called the ambulance? Has that been mentioned?

I thought one of the police officers did, initially, and then either they or dispatch escalated it (someone correct me if I'm wrong...).

According to released Lane/Keung body cam, shortly after Thao and Chauvin arrive on scene and they get on the ground, Lane calls code 2 for a mouth injury.

Link to transcript (page 14 of 25): https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12951-TKL/Exhibit207072020.pdf

Code 2 is a standard medical call, ambulance will use standard driving conditions.

It was upgraded to code 3 about a minute and a half later according to the paramedic testimony. Code 3 is lights and sirens, get here as fast as you can.

The initial code 3 dispatch request wasn’t caught on this body cam or transcript, but according to Thao in his BCA interview, he upgraded it to code 3. The transcript does show that Thao asked the other officers about EMS and hears it was dispatched code 2. On page 18 of the transcript there’s some communication between the dispatch and Lane confirming an ambulance is coming code 3.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only did that expert possibly seal Chauvin’s Second Degree Murder fate, by his testimony that he agreed that Chauvin acknowledged Floyd saying, “I can’t breath, my back hurts, my legs hurt, my body hurts” etc, and Chauvin can be heard saying, “uh-huh” implicating him that he was aware that Floyd was struggling and did nothing to help him. He was also a terrible witness in not being prepared for trial, being unfamiliar with past testimony and reports.

I think Dr. Flower seems more credible, calm and has a better disposition.

before yesterday, to me, it felt like the murder 2 would be a definite NG, the man 2 a G, and the murder 3 could go either way. now it feels like the charge that could go either way has shifted to the murder 2, and the murder 3 closer to a lock.

Yes. Assuming G = good, NG = no go, I agree.

I find this sad. As awful and tragic as this was, I don’t think Chauvin meant for it to happen. it would have been much much harder than people believe to forsee and avoid in the moment—maybe impossible. I don’t think he deserves a murder conviction, but it seems increasingly likely.

I would assume pp was saying G for guilty and NG for not guilty 😉

yea pp here, meant guilty/not guilty. made sense in my head.

I'm not sure if he meant for it to happen, but I don't think he cared if it happened.