Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:53     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The worried well are insisting on testing and taking up scarce resources. I don't understand why we lack access to comprehensive testing, but I CAN tell you that being a drama queen/king about insisting on a test when you are not in a health emergency and haven't had demonstrated contact with a positive case or hotspot is sucking up scarce resources. That lady who made such a stink about it a few days ago ended up being negative ... which anyone could have told her!

As hard as it is to stomach, people need to internalize that we are in a period of time where decisions have to be made for the common good, which means that your normal UMC tactic of INSISTING ON WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT is not going to work

TL; DR - if you are sick, stay home. If you get really sick, go to the ER.


You're attacking the wrong people. You know that but you just don't care.

Yes, anyone who wants to be tested should be. That's how testing works. That's the point of testing. It is supposed to include negative people as well as positive people.


No, that's actually not how distribution of any scarce resource works. Testing right now is very scarce, and even if it gets ramped up, will likely still be limited. Demanding scarce medical resources for yourself contrary to what the medical & public health officials have determined is the rubric for access is quintessentially American and selfish.


I suppose you've never heard of Matt Gaetz.

Testing should not be and soon will not be a scarce resource. Labs are ramping up production but the CDC guidelines are still a bottleneck -- not the number of tests anymore. Look at the CDC site that shows numbers tested. Those numbers could be higher by an order of magnitude now, private labs can be testing more samples. They aren't because of the CDC guidelines, not because of a lack of tests or a lack of symptomatic people.


So you think everyone should be tested, even with no symptoms? That's not going to happen. The fact is, in a well-run public health system, there are criteria for testing. It's not "test everyone" except in the case of screening tests with a proven cost-benefit ratio. Obviously we need more testing now, but the fact that you can't walk into any urgent care and get a test when you have no symptoms is not going to change.


And should NOT happen. What needs to happen is social distancing and telework. The Orthodox community in New Rochelle and cruise ships are great examples of what WILL happen in workplace and schools.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:53     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The worried well are insisting on testing and taking up scarce resources. I don't understand why we lack access to comprehensive testing, but I CAN tell you that being a drama queen/king about insisting on a test when you are not in a health emergency and haven't had demonstrated contact with a positive case or hotspot is sucking up scarce resources. That lady who made such a stink about it a few days ago ended up being negative ... which anyone could have told her!

As hard as it is to stomach, people need to internalize that we are in a period of time where decisions have to be made for the common good, which means that your normal UMC tactic of INSISTING ON WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT is not going to work

TL; DR - if you are sick, stay home. If you get really sick, go to the ER.


You're attacking the wrong people. You know that but you just don't care.

Yes, anyone who wants to be tested should be. That's how testing works. That's the point of testing. It is supposed to include negative people as well as positive people.


No, that's actually not how distribution of any scarce resource works. Testing right now is very scarce, and even if it gets ramped up, will likely still be limited. Demanding scarce medical resources for yourself contrary to what the medical & public health officials have determined is the rubric for access is quintessentially American and selfish.


Virginia just announced that they currently can test 300-400 and hoping 500-600 "soon". But they're not testing that many, not nearly that many, now. Why not? Because of the CDC guidelines requiring travel. A doctor can order the test for a symptomatic person but that doesn't mean they'll get tested, even though we now have much more testing capacity.

That's not how scarce resources work -- especially not resources that are becoming less scarce as days and weeks go by. We don't need to hoard the tests. We should use them.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:52     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What if you and the kids aren’t sick, but spouse is?


Send them to school and infect others!! Seems like the DC area thing to do, right?


Do your duty spread the virus don’t ask questions.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:51     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The worried well are insisting on testing and taking up scarce resources. I don't understand why we lack access to comprehensive testing, but I CAN tell you that being a drama queen/king about insisting on a test when you are not in a health emergency and haven't had demonstrated contact with a positive case or hotspot is sucking up scarce resources. That lady who made such a stink about it a few days ago ended up being negative ... which anyone could have told her!

As hard as it is to stomach, people need to internalize that we are in a period of time where decisions have to be made for the common good, which means that your normal UMC tactic of INSISTING ON WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT is not going to work

TL; DR - if you are sick, stay home. If you get really sick, go to the ER.


You're attacking the wrong people. You know that but you just don't care.

Yes, anyone who wants to be tested should be. That's how testing works. That's the point of testing. It is supposed to include negative people as well as positive people.


No, that's actually not how distribution of any scarce resource works. Testing right now is very scarce, and even if it gets ramped up, will likely still be limited. Demanding scarce medical resources for yourself contrary to what the medical & public health officials have determined is the rubric for access is quintessentially American and selfish.


I suppose you've never heard of Matt Gaetz.

Testing should not be and soon will not be a scarce resource. Labs are ramping up production but the CDC guidelines are still a bottleneck -- not the number of tests anymore. Look at the CDC site that shows numbers tested. Those numbers could be higher by an order of magnitude now, private labs can be testing more samples. They aren't because of the CDC guidelines, not because of a lack of tests or a lack of symptomatic people.


So you think everyone should be tested, even with no symptoms? That's not going to happen. The fact is, in a well-run public health system, there are criteria for testing. It's not "test everyone" except in the case of screening tests with a proven cost-benefit ratio. Obviously we need more testing now, but the fact that you can't walk into any urgent care and get a test when you have no symptoms is not going to change.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:49     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:The worried well are insisting on testing and taking up scarce resources. I don't understand why we lack access to comprehensive testing, but I CAN tell you that being a drama queen/king about insisting on a test when you are not in a health emergency and haven't had demonstrated contact with a positive case or hotspot is sucking up scarce resources. That lady who made such a stink about it a few days ago ended up being negative ... which anyone could have told her!

As hard as it is to stomach, people need to internalize that we are in a period of time where decisions have to be made for the common good, which means that your normal UMC tactic of INSISTING ON WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT is not going to work

TL; DR - if you are sick, stay home. If you get really sick, go to the ER.


In other words, we are not Korea, Germany, France, or Japan... they throw tests at their people because they Cost nothing!
There, PEOPLE ARE RESOURCES, tests are to protect them. Here tests are resources and we are to save them for whom exactly???

And btw,, why do we need to stomach anything? People pay taxes dubtheir dutepyband asked for action and protection for a long time.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:28     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The worried well are insisting on testing and taking up scarce resources. I don't understand why we lack access to comprehensive testing, but I CAN tell you that being a drama queen/king about insisting on a test when you are not in a health emergency and haven't had demonstrated contact with a positive case or hotspot is sucking up scarce resources. That lady who made such a stink about it a few days ago ended up being negative ... which anyone could have told her!

As hard as it is to stomach, people need to internalize that we are in a period of time where decisions have to be made for the common good, which means that your normal UMC tactic of INSISTING ON WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT is not going to work

TL; DR - if you are sick, stay home. If you get really sick, go to the ER.


You're attacking the wrong people. You know that but you just don't care.

Yes, anyone who wants to be tested should be. That's how testing works. That's the point of testing. It is supposed to include negative people as well as positive people.


No, that's actually not how distribution of any scarce resource works. Testing right now is very scarce, and even if it gets ramped up, will likely still be limited. Demanding scarce medical resources for yourself contrary to what the medical & public health officials have determined is the rubric for access is quintessentially American and selfish.


I suppose you've never heard of Matt Gaetz.

Testing should not be and soon will not be a scarce resource. Labs are ramping up production but the CDC guidelines are still a bottleneck -- not the number of tests anymore. Look at the CDC site that shows numbers tested. Those numbers could be higher by an order of magnitude now, private labs can be testing more samples. They aren't because of the CDC guidelines, not because of a lack of tests or a lack of symptomatic people.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:27     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:What if you and the kids aren’t sick, but spouse is?


Send them to school and infect others!! Seems like the DC area thing to do, right?
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:24     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The worried well are insisting on testing and taking up scarce resources. I don't understand why we lack access to comprehensive testing, but I CAN tell you that being a drama queen/king about insisting on a test when you are not in a health emergency and haven't had demonstrated contact with a positive case or hotspot is sucking up scarce resources. That lady who made such a stink about it a few days ago ended up being negative ... which anyone could have told her!

As hard as it is to stomach, people need to internalize that we are in a period of time where decisions have to be made for the common good, which means that your normal UMC tactic of INSISTING ON WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT is not going to work

TL; DR - if you are sick, stay home. If you get really sick, go to the ER.


You're attacking the wrong people. You know that but you just don't care.

Yes, anyone who wants to be tested should be. That's how testing works. That's the point of testing. It is supposed to include negative people as well as positive people.


No, that's actually not how distribution of any scarce resource works. Testing right now is very scarce, and even if it gets ramped up, will likely still be limited. Demanding scarce medical resources for yourself contrary to what the medical & public health officials have determined is the rubric for access is quintessentially American and selfish.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:21     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:The worried well are insisting on testing and taking up scarce resources. I don't understand why we lack access to comprehensive testing, but I CAN tell you that being a drama queen/king about insisting on a test when you are not in a health emergency and haven't had demonstrated contact with a positive case or hotspot is sucking up scarce resources. That lady who made such a stink about it a few days ago ended up being negative ... which anyone could have told her!

As hard as it is to stomach, people need to internalize that we are in a period of time where decisions have to be made for the common good, which means that your normal UMC tactic of INSISTING ON WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT is not going to work

TL; DR - if you are sick, stay home. If you get really sick, go to the ER.


You're attacking the wrong people. You know that but you just don't care.

Yes, anyone who wants to be tested should be. That's how testing works. That's the point of testing. It is supposed to include negative people as well as positive people.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:21     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So honestly, what are we supposed to do with a symptomatic family member? I’m the pp with a sick spouse, who has travelled twice in the past few weeks and has a fever and dry cough. We have two school age kids. Are we all supposed to isolate?


Get tested.


Easier said than done. The U.S. is so deluded. We look down our noses at countries with national health care and talk about rationing, etc. But in case no one has noticed, it's proving very difficult to get tested. Where are the f-ing tests?


Interestingly, China does not have national health care and it has done a better job than many that do. Look at cases per million on Worldometer; high countries include Italy, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, and Spain.

(I left out Iran--altogether a class by itself and have no idea of their health care system--and Bahrain, which I believe has national health care but is in a special position given its small size and proximity to Iran.)
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 11:20     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
The worried well are insisting on testing and taking up scarce resources. I don't understand why we lack access to comprehensive testing, but I CAN tell you that being a drama queen/king about insisting on a test when you are not in a health emergency and haven't had demonstrated contact with a positive case or hotspot is sucking up scarce resources. That lady who made such a stink about it a few days ago ended up being negative ... which anyone could have told her!

As hard as it is to stomach, people need to internalize that we are in a period of time where decisions have to be made for the common good, which means that your normal UMC tactic of INSISTING ON WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IT is not going to work

TL; DR - if you are sick, stay home. If you get really sick, go to the ER.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 10:55     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, the time for testing is over. Even if they could test everyone no one is doing the follow up tracing that is also required to contain this. No one is getting tested and we can no longer contain this because our government is incompetent. This is up to us and state/local leadership, such as it is. ISOLATE YOURSELF IF YOU ARE SICK. I get not everyone can do that but if you can swing it, do it. Every little bit helps right now.


+1. Self quarrel time for 2 weeks- its the only way.


Wrong- testing still important. Also, DC said in the press conference yesterday they are still in containment phase, not mitigation and are still doing contact tracing etc.


Ridiculous. There's community transmission. We're in mitigation.

Testing is still important, but there still isn't enough testing capacity: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/10/coronavirus-testing-lab-materials-shortage-125212
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 10:40     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, the time for testing is over. Even if they could test everyone no one is doing the follow up tracing that is also required to contain this. No one is getting tested and we can no longer contain this because our government is incompetent. This is up to us and state/local leadership, such as it is. ISOLATE YOURSELF IF YOU ARE SICK. I get not everyone can do that but if you can swing it, do it. Every little bit helps right now.


+1. Self quarrel time for 2 weeks- its the only way.


Wrong- testing still important. Also, DC said in the press conference yesterday they are still in containment phase, not mitigation and are still doing contact tracing etc.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 09:52     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
FWIW: spoke to DC Dept of Health this morning. They say DH’s doctor can send him to a lab to be tested. Waiting to hear from the doctor now.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2020 09:15     Subject: DC: First COVID-19 Case Confirmed
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So honestly, what are we supposed to do with a symptomatic family member? I’m the pp with a sick spouse, who has travelled twice in the past few weeks and has a fever and dry cough. We have two school age kids. Are we all supposed to isolate?


Get tested.


Easier said than done. The U.S. is so deluded. We look down our noses at countries with national health care and talk about rationing, etc. But in case no one has noticed, it's proving very difficult to get tested. Where are the f-ing tests?