Anyone have any comments regarding MU’s ID Session last night?

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

If you are not one of the 18 then you do not travel.

Not true. I have seen a team with 22 on the roster all travel for a showcase. Instead of playing 3 games, a number of those traveling will get only 2.

Yeah. It happens. I don't recommend joining a club that rosters more than 18. One thing I really like that MU is doing is keeping the FT roster small and focused and giving opportunities to PT players if they do need numbers. It prevents the situation you are talking about.

That does sound good. Do the PT players go to showcases? Are there situations when they play instead of or more than the FT players?

Sure, sometimes they go for a variety of reasons. They could have injuries. If in the case of U19s, a lot of FT players are already committed, they may opt out and that leaves spots for PT players.

In terms of playing time, unless a FT player is injured or otherwise, that shouldn't be the case. If a PT player gets more than a FT player, I would question that with the coach. They don't pay the same fees, they don't have the same requirements, and they have other teams they already see time on. I have seen coaches in general think that can recruit a "desirable" PT player that way, but I've never seen that work. If seeing time as a PT player and practicing with the program as a PT player doesn't show them the value, they are just using the club and the coach is foolish enough to allow himself to be used.

Also, once a player hits 13 games, they are automatically converted to FT status. PT players need to know that and commit to that.

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

If you are not one of the 18 then you do not travel.

Not true. I have seen a team with 22 on the roster all travel for a showcase. Instead of playing 3 games, a number of those traveling will get only 2.

Yeah. It happens. I don't recommend joining a club that rosters more than 18. One thing I really like that MU is doing is keeping the FT roster small and focused and giving opportunities to PT players if they do need numbers. It prevents the situation you are talking about.

That does sound good. Do the PT players go to showcases? Are there situations when they play instead of or more than the FT players?

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

If you are not one of the 18 then you do not travel.

Not true. I have seen a team with 22 on the roster all travel for a showcase. Instead of playing 3 games, a number of those traveling will get only 2.

Yeah. It happens. I don't recommend joining a club that rosters more than 18. One thing I really like that MU is doing is keeping the FT roster small and focused and giving opportunities to PT players if they do need numbers. It prevents the situation you are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

If you are not one of the 18 then you do not travel.

Not true. I have seen a team with 22 on the roster all travel for a showcase. Instead of playing 3 games, a number of those traveling will get only 2.

And that is good how?

It isn't. That's the point. If you are mainly paying for DA/ECNL for the showcasing opportunities, per PPs point, then ending up being one of those players who doesn't play as much (for whatever reason) sort of defeats the purpose.

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

If you are not one of the 18 then you do not travel.

Not true. I have seen a team with 22 on the roster all travel for a showcase. Instead of playing 3 games, a number of those traveling will get only 2.

And that is good how?

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

If you are not one of the 18 then you do not travel.

Not true. I have seen a team with 22 on the roster all travel for a showcase. Instead of playing 3 games, a number of those traveling will get only 2.

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

If you are not one of the 18 then you do not travel.

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For the DA, U19s are only guaranteed the winter showcase. There is no U19 spring bracket and they have to earn a summer play off spot. I think the assumption is most are committed by then.

Most are committed by then already so unless there is a championship to play for there is little incentive at that age to spend that money when many are done with that chapter of youth soccer.

And that is a scenario that rings true with ECNL too. They may have the events but if you are a senior you'll need that money for books more than you do a last hurrah showcase or tournament.

Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

For the DA, U19s are only guaranteed the winter showcase. There is no U19 spring bracket and they have to earn a summer play off spot. I think the assumption is most are committed by then.

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

Nobody does this though. Most ECNL teams with rosters that big do so because they are either using playups, dual roster, discovery, trapped, or other part time players, or they are older teams where half the girls are committed and don't showcase anyway. In any case, they won't bring more than 18 typically. Most coaches will make sure that everyone gets a reasonable amount of playing time at a showcase.

Showcases are usually seeded so that teams play similarly skilled teams.

All the games at a DA showcase are at the same facility making it easier for coaches to look at everyone they are interested regardless of team record where different tiered teams may be at different locations.

Same with ecnl

Not entirely true with ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

Nobody does this though. Most ECNL teams with rosters that big do so because they are either using playups, dual roster, discovery, trapped, or other part time players, or they are older teams where half the girls are committed and don't showcase anyway. In any case, they won't bring more than 18 typically. Most coaches will make sure that everyone gets a reasonable amount of playing time at a showcase.

Showcases are usually seeded so that teams play similarly skilled teams.

All the games at a DA showcase are at the same facility making it easier for coaches to look at everyone they are interested regardless of team record where different tiered teams may be at different locations.

Same with ecnl

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

Nobody does this though. Most ECNL teams with rosters that big do so because they are either using playups, dual roster, discovery, trapped, or other part time players, or they are older teams where half the girls are committed and don't showcase anyway. In any case, they won't bring more than 18 typically. Most coaches will make sure that everyone gets a reasonable amount of playing time at a showcase.

Showcases are usually seeded so that teams play similarly skilled teams.

I haven't seen a roster get to 30; however, it's more common than not to have rosters near the mid-20s. Not every kid gets to play every game, true, but I wouldn't prescribe that to one line of reasoning. Sometimes logistics play a role (can't afford the 3rd out-of-state competition), and yes sometimes the kids are there simply as a revenue stream.

There are big rosters here and there at many clubs as the reasons can vary from team to team as to why. Many of the reasons above are among them.

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

Nobody does this though. Most ECNL teams with rosters that big do so because they are either using playups, dual roster, discovery, trapped, or other part time players, or they are older teams where half the girls are committed and don't showcase anyway. In any case, they won't bring more than 18 typically. Most coaches will make sure that everyone gets a reasonable amount of playing time at a showcase.

Showcases are usually seeded so that teams play similarly skilled teams.

I haven't seen a roster get to 30; however, it's more common than not to have rosters near the mid-20s. Not every kid gets to play every game, true, but I wouldn't prescribe that to one line of reasoning. Sometimes logistics play a role (can't afford the 3rd out-of-state competition), and yes sometimes the kids are there simply as a revenue stream.

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Anonymous wrote:All the teams get to go to the showcases

Going and playtime are not always the same thing, though. Imagine an ECNL team with 30 players.... Only 11 can be on the field at a time. (And unless I'm wrong, for any given game, even a showcase one, you can only roster 18.) That leaves a lot of kids traveling somewhere costly to play not that much.

Nobody does this though. Most ECNL teams with rosters that big do so because they are either using playups, dual roster, discovery, trapped, or other part time players, or they are older teams where half the girls are committed and don't showcase anyway. In any case, they won't bring more than 18 typically. Most coaches will make sure that everyone gets a reasonable amount of playing time at a showcase.

Showcases are usually seeded so that teams play similarly skilled teams.

All the games at a DA showcase are at the same facility making it easier for coaches to look at everyone they are interested regardless of team record where different tiered teams may be at different locations.