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Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

What he did BEFORE that day is irrelevant
And who says the gun was his, the cops ?
I do not necessarily believe them . So yea!

If cops called in his license plate and knew he was found criminally guilty of shooting another person, that might affect their judgment.

Or maybe not. I'm not an Internet tough guy like some of you. But I really want to go home to see my family at the end of every day.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

Dummy do you see every black man being arrested ?
NO!
So you cannot claim that people are upset over every black man being shit by cops .
People are talking about well publicized cases and other incidents in which they have seen or heard of police misconduct .
Just because it has not happened to you does not mean it does not happen .
People do not need you to validate their experience in order to make it real.
This type of arrogance and condescending thinking is half the reason this country is in this mess, refusing to deal with its problems and address them head on.

Firs,t please don't use personal attacks like "dummy". Especially if you aren't going to actually read the post before responding.

Second, please take your own advice. People do not need you to validate their experience in order to make it real.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

What he did BEFORE that day is irrelevant
And who says the gun was his, the cops ?
I do not necessarily believe them . So yea!

Your prior record when dealing with the police is absolutely relevant.

He had an ankle holster. Why? For funsies?

I feel sorry for you that you have such a hatred and mistrust for the police. They would save your life or the lives of your children just the same though. They do it for all of us every single day while putting their lives on the line while dealing with the worst humanity has to offer.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

Dummy do you see every black man being arrested ?
NO!
So you cannot claim that people are upset over every black man being shit by cops .
People are talking about well publicized cases and other incidents in which they have seen or heard of police misconduct .
Just because it has not happened to you does not mean it does not happen .
People do not need you to validate their experience in order to make it real.
This type of arrogance and condescending thinking is half the reason this country is in this mess, refusing to deal with its problems and address them head on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

What he did BEFORE that day is irrelevant
And who says the gun was his, the cops ?
I do not necessarily believe them . So yea!

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Anonymous wrote:

+1.

I'm not sure I get why such a simple thing is so difficult for some to understand, or follow.

Listen to the police, and follow instructions.

In 99.9% of the cases, problem solved.

I don't get it, either. Don't people see what can happen when you refuse to drop your gun, or get down on the ground, or whatever the cop says, to show you are no threat? And yet, we see the same defiance over and over again. Reminds me of a saying by Will Rogers. I don't have it exactly, but something like...."Some people learn by read'in.....some people learn by watch'in....but some people have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."

Jusr do what the police say!

I love that quote. Its true for so many people. Darwin Awards at its finest.

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Anonymous wrote:22 eyewitnesses are now saying that it was not the black officer who shot that man to two people who are willing to go on camera or saying that was not the shooter

what?

I'm confused by your post.

The cop didn't shoot at him? Then who did?

She says it was the white officer.

ahh

ok

Ah
Ok
She's not the only one who says so

at this point - whatever!

too many conflicting stories

only evidence? a gun with Scott's DNA

Now whether or not he was aiming it is another story. That's why cops should de-escalate more and shoot to disable if necessary.

I would love to be given an example of how police can de-escalate a situation and shoot to disable without A) being mind readers B) putting themselves and bystanders in danger.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

Statistics in terms of police misconduct mean little without something with which to compare them with. The first thing a police officer or anti-police accountability debater will tell you in a debate is that officers who are caught doing something wrong are a very small percentage of the police population in the US. Well, they are right, 28 out of 800,000 is a small percentage and nowhere near a majority of the police population in the US. In fact, our statistics indicate that just under 1000 per 100,000 police officers per year are involved in credible reports of police misconduct. Yes, that translates to under 1% of all police officers.

But, as I said, that number means little unless you have a comparison point. None better exist than the numbers Americans use to guage how bad crime is in the US, the FBI/DOJ Uniform Crime Reporting statistics or UCR for short. The UCR tells us what portion of the US population is involved in alleged reported criminal acts per year, just like the National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project Police Misconduct Statistical Report or NPMSRP for short statistics tell us how many officers are involved in alleged reported acts of police misconduct per year.



As you can see, when we examine violent crime statistics, law enforcement officers appear to be involved in violent crime in a comparable rate with the general population. 432 officers out of every 100,000 compared to 454.5 people out of every 100,000. So, roughly 0.43% vs 0.45%. Both seem like small numbers, don’t they? Yet most people would probably tell you that they are worried about the rate of violent crimes but not police misconduct even though both occur at similar rates statistically.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Huh? Who said cops never do anything wrong??

She was being sarcastic. On occasion, police do bad things. The case in Tulsa is one such example.

But in the majority of cases, police act appropriately in the midst of very challenging situations, often with people who are high, or drunk, or belligerent. And in many of the cases that end tragically (not all....most), it involved a civilian who defied police commands. There seems to be some erroneous thinking that following police instructions is optional. (Someone on another thread actually asked what right do police have to ask a civilian to disarm.) People need to realize that one is REQUIRED to follow police commands, as long as they are lawful.

+1.

I'm not sure I get why such a simple thing is so difficult for some to understand, or follow.

Listen to the police, and follow instructions.

In 99.9% of the cases, problem solved.

I don't get it, either. Don't people see what can happen when you refuse to drop your gun, or get down on the ground, or whatever the cop says, to show you are no threat? And yet, we see the same defiance over and over again. Reminds me of a saying by Will Rogers. I don't have it exactly, but something like...."Some people learn by read'in.....some people learn by watch'in....but some people have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."

Jusr do what the police say!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Huh? Who said cops never do anything wrong??

She was being sarcastic. On occasion, police do bad things. The case in Tulsa is one such example.

But in the majority of cases, police act appropriately in the midst of very challenging situations, often with people who are high, or drunk, or belligerent. And in many of the cases that end tragically (not all....most), it involved a civilian who defied police commands. There seems to be some erroneous thinking that following police instructions is optional. (Someone on another thread actually asked what right do police have to ask a civilian to disarm.) People need to realize that one is REQUIRED to follow police commands, as long as they are lawful.

+1.

I'm not sure I get why such a simple thing is so difficult for some to understand, or follow.

Listen to the police, and follow instructions.

In 99.9% of the cases, problem solved.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Huh? Who said cops never do anything wrong??

She was being sarcastic. On occasion, police do bad things. The case in Tulsa is one such example.

But in the majority of cases, police act appropriately in the midst of very challenging situations, often with people who are high, or drunk, or belligerent. And in many of the cases that end tragically (not all....most), it involved a civilian who defied police commands. There seems to be some erroneous thinking that following police instructions is optional. (Someone on another thread actually asked what right do police have to ask a civilian to disarm.) People need to realize that one is REQUIRED to follow police commands, as long as they are lawful.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Huh? Who said cops never do anything wrong??

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

It seems like you think they *never* tell the truth either. Or that citizens are *never* actually the one in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:22 eyewitnesses are now saying that it was not the black officer who shot that man to two people who are willing to go on camera or saying that was not the shooter

what?

I'm confused by your post.

The cop didn't shoot at him? Then who did?

She says it was the white officer.

ahh

ok

Ah
Ok
She's not the only one who says so

at this point - whatever!

too many conflicting stories

only evidence? a gun with Scott's DNA

Now whether or not he was aiming it is another story. That's why cops should de-escalate more and shoot to disable if necessary.