Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

It's a good piece. Are you sure you read it? From your summary, I think maybe you must have read a different piece. Here's an alternate summary:

Opponents of the Missing Middle housing proposal: Nobody likes the proposal. If we'd wanted things to change, we would have moved somewhere where things were changing.
Supporters of the Missing Middle housing proposal: We like the proposal. Also, things are changing, even without the Missing Middle housing proposal.
Author: The reality is, the Missing Middle housing proposal probably isn't even going to change housing and land use very much. However, it has certainly made some people, for example me, think about the meaning of being an Arlingtonian and of the "Arlington Way".

Also, there is no mention of Norway. Los Angeles, yes; Minneapolis, yes; Norway, no.

As for racism, there is a discussion of demographic data (aka facts). There's a reference to a study from 2000 finding that the "Arlington Way" tends to overrepresent the opinions of white, older homeowners over other Arlingtonians. And there's a quote of one Missing Middle supporter saying, "Whoa, we just desegregated Arlingtonian," immediately followed by the author's opinion that this statement is not true. If you feel that any of these things accuse people of being racist - well, again, I think you must have read a different piece.

I think that you have to be more familiar with the movement and the subtext of the content.

To understand how the grievances of the opponents of the Missing Middle Housing proposal lead them to make stuff up?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

It's a good piece. Are you sure you read it? From your summary, I think maybe you must have read a different piece. Here's an alternate summary:

Opponents of the Missing Middle housing proposal: Nobody likes the proposal. If we'd wanted things to change, we would have moved somewhere where things were changing.
Supporters of the Missing Middle housing proposal: We like the proposal. Also, things are changing, even without the Missing Middle housing proposal.
Author: The reality is, the Missing Middle housing proposal probably isn't even going to change housing and land use very much. However, it has certainly made some people, for example me, think about the meaning of being an Arlingtonian and of the "Arlington Way".

Also, there is no mention of Norway. Los Angeles, yes; Minneapolis, yes; Norway, no.

As for racism, there is a discussion of demographic data (aka facts). There's a reference to a study from 2000 finding that the "Arlington Way" tends to overrepresent the opinions of white, older homeowners over other Arlingtonians. And there's a quote of one Missing Middle supporter saying, "Whoa, we just desegregated Arlingtonian," immediately followed by the author's opinion that this statement is not true. If you feel that any of these things accuse people of being racist - well, again, I think you must have read a different piece.

I think that you have to be more familiar with the movement and the subtext of the content.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

It's a good piece. Are you sure you read it? From your summary, I think maybe you must have read a different piece. Here's an alternate summary:

Opponents of the Missing Middle housing proposal: Nobody likes the proposal. If we'd wanted things to change, we would have moved somewhere where things were changing.
Supporters of the Missing Middle housing proposal: We like the proposal. Also, things are changing, even without the Missing Middle housing proposal.
Author: The reality is, the Missing Middle housing proposal probably isn't even going to change housing and land use very much. However, it has certainly made some people, for example me, think about the meaning of being an Arlingtonian and of the "Arlington Way".

Also, there is no mention of Norway. Los Angeles, yes; Minneapolis, yes; Norway, no.

As for racism, there is a discussion of demographic data (aka facts). There's a reference to a study from 2000 finding that the "Arlington Way" tends to overrepresent the opinions of white, older homeowners over other Arlingtonians. And there's a quote of one Missing Middle supporter saying, "Whoa, we just desegregated Arlingtonian," immediately followed by the author's opinion that this statement is not true. If you feel that any of these things accuse people of being racist - well, again, I think you must have read a different piece.

Anonymous wrote:I guess you had fun writing that, but the reality is that your so-called YIMBY is a ... homeowner in North Arlington. In fact, he talks about being a homeowner, right there in the article:

"I’ve had plenty of time to think about what missing middle might mean for me and my single-family home. The absentee owner of the run-down house next door seems to have died in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, and his heirs haven’t sold yet. How would I feel about a multiplex building sprouting up—if not in my backyard, then in my side yard? How would I feel about all those oak trees getting cut down, and who knows how many cars parking on my street? As I reported this piece, I came to understand that asking myself these questions—that grappling with these possibilities—is in many ways the point of missing middle."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

It's a good piece. Are you sure you read it? From your summary, I think maybe you must have read a different piece. Here's an alternate summary:

Opponents of the Missing Middle housing proposal: Nobody likes the proposal. If we'd wanted things to change, we would have moved somewhere where things were changing.
Supporters of the Missing Middle housing proposal: We like the proposal. Also, things are changing, even without the Missing Middle housing proposal.
Author: The reality is, the Missing Middle housing proposal probably isn't even going to change housing and land use very much. However, it has certainly made some people, for example me, think about the meaning of being an Arlingtonian and of the "Arlington Way".

Also, there is no mention of Norway. Los Angeles, yes; Minneapolis, yes; Norway, no.

As for racism, there is a discussion of demographic data (aka facts). There's a reference to a study from 2000 finding that the "Arlington Way" tends to overrepresent the opinions of white, older homeowners over other Arlingtonians. And there's a quote of one Missing Middle supporter saying, "Whoa, we just desegregated Arlingtonian," immediately followed by the author's opinion that this statement is not true. If you feel that any of these things accuse people of being racist - well, again, I think you must have read a different piece.

It most certainly is not true. Where are all these phantom renters and Latinxs going to be when Katcher, Roy and Cunningham steamroll the Democrat primary? A historic backlash is developing in Arlington, and MMH has been the catalyst. People have had enough of the woke nonsense and are cleaning house.

LOL, no. Move to McLean if you don’t like “woke”.

I don't know what "woke" means but I'll be voting for Roy and Cunningham (not Katcher - I don't trust him)

Why wouldn't you trust him? He was a prosecutor under Theo, and says he quietly pursued reform internally during her tenure. I believe him. Then when Parisa upset Theo, he went ahead and applied to be her Deputy. He got the job, and then he quit and declared against her once he knew he had the resources to run and that people would understand that the June primary rather than the November election is the time to vote for your Commonwealth's Attorney. So he can capture the voters who don't like Parisa and don't want reform, as well as those who do want reform but reform done better. That makes him a better reformer than Parisa.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

It's a good piece. Are you sure you read it? From your summary, I think maybe you must have read a different piece. Here's an alternate summary:

Opponents of the Missing Middle housing proposal: Nobody likes the proposal. If we'd wanted things to change, we would have moved somewhere where things were changing.
Supporters of the Missing Middle housing proposal: We like the proposal. Also, things are changing, even without the Missing Middle housing proposal.
Author: The reality is, the Missing Middle housing proposal probably isn't even going to change housing and land use very much. However, it has certainly made some people, for example me, think about the meaning of being an Arlingtonian and of the "Arlington Way".

Also, there is no mention of Norway. Los Angeles, yes; Minneapolis, yes; Norway, no.

As for racism, there is a discussion of demographic data (aka facts). There's a reference to a study from 2000 finding that the "Arlington Way" tends to overrepresent the opinions of white, older homeowners over other Arlingtonians. And there's a quote of one Missing Middle supporter saying, "Whoa, we just desegregated Arlingtonian," immediately followed by the author's opinion that this statement is not true. If you feel that any of these things accuse people of being racist - well, again, I think you must have read a different piece.

It most certainly is not true. Where are all these phantom renters and Latinxs going to be when Katcher, Roy and Cunningham steamroll the Democrat primary? A historic backlash is developing in Arlington, and MMH has been the catalyst. People have had enough of the woke nonsense and are cleaning house.

LOL, no. Move to McLean if you don’t like “woke”.

I don't know what "woke" means but I'll be voting for Roy and Cunningham (not Katcher - I don't trust him)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

It's a good piece. Are you sure you read it? From your summary, I think maybe you must have read a different piece. Here's an alternate summary:

Opponents of the Missing Middle housing proposal: Nobody likes the proposal. If we'd wanted things to change, we would have moved somewhere where things were changing.
Supporters of the Missing Middle housing proposal: We like the proposal. Also, things are changing, even without the Missing Middle housing proposal.
Author: The reality is, the Missing Middle housing proposal probably isn't even going to change housing and land use very much. However, it has certainly made some people, for example me, think about the meaning of being an Arlingtonian and of the "Arlington Way".

Also, there is no mention of Norway. Los Angeles, yes; Minneapolis, yes; Norway, no.

As for racism, there is a discussion of demographic data (aka facts). There's a reference to a study from 2000 finding that the "Arlington Way" tends to overrepresent the opinions of white, older homeowners over other Arlingtonians. And there's a quote of one Missing Middle supporter saying, "Whoa, we just desegregated Arlingtonian," immediately followed by the author's opinion that this statement is not true. If you feel that any of these things accuse people of being racist - well, again, I think you must have read a different piece.

It most certainly is not true. Where are all these phantom renters and Latinxs going to be when Katcher, Roy and Cunningham steamroll the Democrat primary? A historic backlash is developing in Arlington, and MMH has been the catalyst. People have had enough of the woke nonsense and are cleaning house.

LOL, no. Move to McLean if you don’t like “woke”.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

It's a good piece. Are you sure you read it? From your summary, I think maybe you must have read a different piece. Here's an alternate summary:

Opponents of the Missing Middle housing proposal: Nobody likes the proposal. If we'd wanted things to change, we would have moved somewhere where things were changing.
Supporters of the Missing Middle housing proposal: We like the proposal. Also, things are changing, even without the Missing Middle housing proposal.
Author: The reality is, the Missing Middle housing proposal probably isn't even going to change housing and land use very much. However, it has certainly made some people, for example me, think about the meaning of being an Arlingtonian and of the "Arlington Way".

Also, there is no mention of Norway. Los Angeles, yes; Minneapolis, yes; Norway, no.

As for racism, there is a discussion of demographic data (aka facts). There's a reference to a study from 2000 finding that the "Arlington Way" tends to overrepresent the opinions of white, older homeowners over other Arlingtonians. And there's a quote of one Missing Middle supporter saying, "Whoa, we just desegregated Arlingtonian," immediately followed by the author's opinion that this statement is not true. If you feel that any of these things accuse people of being racist - well, again, I think you must have read a different piece.

It most certainly is not true. Where are all these phantom renters and Latinxs going to be when Katcher, Roy and Cunningham steamroll the Democrat primary? A historic backlash is developing in Arlington, and MMH has been the catalyst. People have had enough of the woke nonsense and are cleaning house.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

It's a good piece. Are you sure you read it? From your summary, I think maybe you must have read a different piece. Here's an alternate summary:

Opponents of the Missing Middle housing proposal: Nobody likes the proposal. If we'd wanted things to change, we would have moved somewhere where things were changing.
Supporters of the Missing Middle housing proposal: We like the proposal. Also, things are changing, even without the Missing Middle housing proposal.
Author: The reality is, the Missing Middle housing proposal probably isn't even going to change housing and land use very much. However, it has certainly made some people, for example me, think about the meaning of being an Arlingtonian and of the "Arlington Way".

Also, there is no mention of Norway. Los Angeles, yes; Minneapolis, yes; Norway, no.

As for racism, there is a discussion of demographic data (aka facts). There's a reference to a study from 2000 finding that the "Arlington Way" tends to overrepresent the opinions of white, older homeowners over other Arlingtonians. And there's a quote of one Missing Middle supporter saying, "Whoa, we just desegregated Arlingtonian," immediately followed by the author's opinion that this statement is not true. If you feel that any of these things accuse people of being racist - well, again, I think you must have read a different piece.

Anonymous wrote:Was this article supposed to be pro YIMBY?

https://slate.com/business/2023/05/housing-market-affordable-real-estate-single-family.html?via=rss&fbclid=IwAR2H-orsHz75wBqBiaTc6CEa2kRsivUzDiaHV-eKT8meOq4ONtzXQbzqvEo#lhpb57pe6sj1nhc7s18

It just comes across as kind of sad.

YIMBY: We have to do this thing, it’s very important! We have to immediately “upzone” your neighborhood! For these many valid reasons for which I will evidence later!

Homeowners: That seems like a big change, how about we take this slow? We need more information and we don’t like the fact that it was pushed through against our wishes.

YIMBY: No, NOW.

*stamps feet*

Homeowners: You are being really weird about this. What’s the hurry? We have a bunch of questions about…

YIMBY: *Veruca Salt impression*

But it WORKS in NORWAY.

Homeowners: okaaaayyy…

YIMBY: Look, it probably won’t be a big deal, anyway. In places where this has been done in the US they have barely built any multi family homes.

Homeowners: So it doesn’t work? Then why are you in such a hurry to…

YIMBY: RACIST!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Density is bad for schools. The highest performing school districts in the US are all in the suburbs, and are sprawling.

Please show me some high performing, by-right (non-magnet, non-lottery, non-charter) schools located within the limits of a city that are high-performing from k through 12.

You won’t find any.

Seems like you're confusing correlation with causation.

Here you go:
https://www.khanacademy.org/math/probability/xa88397b6:scatterplots/estimating-trend-lines/v/correlation-and-causality

Or maybe it is in fact causation.

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Anonymous wrote:If cramming housing in to every square inch makes a place affordable, explain Manhattan to us.

So much ignorance. Didn't you take an econ class at some point?

The clueless crap that I read on DCUM by supposedly educated and high earning people is a window into the origin of our current state of affairs. Like these people have never dead a book or even browsed wikipedia before opining on anything and everything.

DCUM isn't as homogeneous as you believe. There are some f-ing idiots.

In addition to the f-ing idiots, there are posters on DCUM who are willfully ignorant, and are motivated to remain so by their bizarre desire to encase their neighborhood in amber and prevent any changes whatsoever.

Ah, I recognize you! Don’t you have anything else to do but post repeatedly all over DCUM and Nextdoor. Lol.

NP, but I agree with the PP. I have yet to see an anti-MM argument that doesn’t boil down to “I don’t want change”. What is the argument against? The big one, not the BS “tree canopy/street parking/school capacity” etc. Those are broader issues not specific to MM. I have yet to see a concrete argument specifically against MM, and it just comes across as fear. Arlington is changing. Either it is enormous 7k sq ft McMansions owned by tech/consulting or it is higher density, but those non-historically significant ramblers and colonials are turning over. I’m not sure how anyone looks at land surrounding the pentagon, across from the capitol and thinks “this should remain low density neighborhoods.”

Exactly.

That’s a Trumpian take on things that only shows you’ve chosen to ignore every argument presented in this thread as well as credible arguments ignored when thrive MoCo was passed, and basically every bit of academic research that shows that there isn’t much utility in this type of zoning mismanagement versus disruption in neighborhoods.

Can either of you present some evidence that meddling with existing zoning will accomplish the goals of affordable housing? More home ownership? Lower rent? Better schools? Less congestion?

Anything in the way of proof? Have you ever thought that maybe people would just like to think that something might work before making changes?

Seems that if you need more density near the Pentagon you’d change the zoning to build high density in some areas. What does it accomplish to “upzone” some SFH neighborhoods? What’s the aggregate good in that? Planning exists for a reason.

Numbers, please, or we can just write this off as more YIMBY fantasy.