Anonymous
10/25/2021 12:50
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
Are you all that surprised when the head armourer is 24 and never worked professionally before? Honestly she probably didn't even know she SHOULD be securing the set ammunition.
Obviously this is a case of malpratice but I'm curious if she'll be charged with negligent homicide.
That shocks me. When I heard about that, I always assumed that it would be retired military or police instructors.
Her father had 40+ years in film production experience as a weapons expert and armourer. He got her the job.
Nepotism. Just want to say, her being 24 isn't an issue. Someone with 5 years in the military may have lots of experience handling weapons and would have been perfectly qualified for the job. The issue is her lack of training and experience. Her dad obviously didn't actually train her.
I disagree on the age. There’s different levels of armourers. I guarantee her father wasn’t HEAD armourer at 24. He worked his way up with skills and experience.
A high performing soldier could be a Staff Sergeant by age 24, in charge of much more than an armorer on a movie set.
Yes after years of formal training. She had none.
Not exactly. She was head armorer on a Nicolas Cage movie prior to Rust.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 12:49
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
Are you all that surprised when the head armourer is 24 and never worked professionally before? Honestly she probably didn't even know she SHOULD be securing the set ammunition.
Obviously this is a case of malpratice but I'm curious if she'll be charged with negligent homicide.
That shocks me. When I heard about that, I always assumed that it would be retired military or police instructors.
Her father had 40+ years in film production experience as a weapons expert and armourer. He got her the job.
Nepotism. Just want to say, her being 24 isn't an issue. Someone with 5 years in the military may have lots of experience handling weapons and would have been perfectly qualified for the job. The issue is her lack of training and experience. Her dad obviously didn't actually train her.
I disagree on the age. There’s different levels of armourers. I guarantee her father wasn’t HEAD armourer at 24. He worked his way up with skills and experience.
A high performing soldier could be a Staff Sergeant by age 24, in charge of much more than an armorer on a movie set.
Yes after years of formal training. She had none.
That's my point exactly. The age isn't the problem. The training and experience (or lack thereof) is the issue.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 12:32
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
it really limits liability I expect
Anonymous
10/25/2021 12:22
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
If the movie is a western, presumably there will be lots of guns involved, so I would think the armorer should be an experienced one.
I've seen several references to Rust Movie Productions, LLC. Is it common for each movie production to become a company?
I've seen several references to Rust Movie Productions, LLC. Is it common for each movie production to become a company?
Anonymous
10/25/2021 12:13
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
Are you all that surprised when the head armourer is 24 and never worked professionally before? Honestly she probably didn't even know she SHOULD be securing the set ammunition.
Obviously this is a case of malpratice but I'm curious if she'll be charged with negligent homicide.
That shocks me. When I heard about that, I always assumed that it would be retired military or police instructors.
Her father had 40+ years in film production experience as a weapons expert and armourer. He got her the job.
We don't really know (it could have been name recognition),but imagine how he feels today.
On some level this seems to even taint his reputation (though that is not fair).
I hope he already had his retirement party because no ones coming to one if she’s there after this.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 12:10
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
Are you all that surprised when the head armourer is 24 and never worked professionally before? Honestly she probably didn't even know she SHOULD be securing the set ammunition.
Obviously this is a case of malpratice but I'm curious if she'll be charged with negligent homicide.
That shocks me. When I heard about that, I always assumed that it would be retired military or police instructors.
Her father had 40+ years in film production experience as a weapons expert and armourer. He got her the job.
Nepotism. Just want to say, her being 24 isn't an issue. Someone with 5 years in the military may have lots of experience handling weapons and would have been perfectly qualified for the job. The issue is her lack of training and experience. Her dad obviously didn't actually train her.
I disagree on the age. There’s different levels of armourers. I guarantee her father wasn’t HEAD armourer at 24. He worked his way up with skills and experience.
A high performing soldier could be a Staff Sergeant by age 24, in charge of much more than an armorer on a movie set.
Yes after years of formal training. She had none.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 12:08
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
Are you all that surprised when the head armourer is 24 and never worked professionally before? Honestly she probably didn't even know she SHOULD be securing the set ammunition.
Obviously this is a case of malpratice but I'm curious if she'll be charged with negligent homicide.
That shocks me. When I heard about that, I always assumed that it would be retired military or police instructors.
Her father had 40+ years in film production experience as a weapons expert and armourer. He got her the job.
We don't really know (it could have been name recognition),but imagine how he feels today.
On some level this seems to even taint his reputation (though that is not fair).
Anonymous
10/25/2021 12:03
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
Are you all that surprised when the head armourer is 24 and never worked professionally before? Honestly she probably didn't even know she SHOULD be securing the set ammunition.
Obviously this is a case of malpratice but I'm curious if she'll be charged with negligent homicide.
That shocks me. When I heard about that, I always assumed that it would be retired military or police instructors.
Her father had 40+ years in film production experience as a weapons expert and armourer. He got her the job.
Nepotism. Just want to say, her being 24 isn't an issue. Someone with 5 years in the military may have lots of experience handling weapons and would have been perfectly qualified for the job. The issue is her lack of training and experience. Her dad obviously didn't actually train her.
I disagree on the age. There’s different levels of armourers. I guarantee her father wasn’t HEAD armourer at 24. He worked his way up with skills and experience.
A high performing soldier could be a Staff Sergeant by age 24, in charge of much more than an armorer on a movie set.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:58
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
There is NO excuse for this. None.
If you're not familiar with guns and ammunition google pictures of a live round and a blank. The difference is easy to see. Whoever put the live round in this fire arm should be held responsible along with anyone else who was negligent.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:58
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:More bad news from the armourer. She had an actor new to the set firing blanks at a hill the first time they met.
“I’ve got a 6 a.m. call tomorrow to have a big shoot-out. They had me pick my gun … The armorer was like, ‘Do you have gun experience?’ I was like, ‘A little,’” Ackles told the crowd.
“She was like, ‘This is how you load it, check it’s safe. Do you want it hip-drawn or cross-drawn? I’ll just put some blanks in there and just fire a couple of rounds towards the hill.’
“I walk out and she’s like, ‘Just make sure you pull the hammer all the way back and aim at your target,’ I was like ‘All right, I got it.’”
I don't know that I see the issue here.
I'm not saying the armorer gets off, but this situation, as described, doesn't seem like a problem.
Someone who claims to have little gun experience was given a few minutes of instruction, shown how to load and check the gun one time, and then was handed a loaded gun (with blanks - although we’ve learned that blanks can kill) and then told to go practice shooting it. That seems problematic. More than one person (who knows how to check a gun) should have checked it. The use of a live gun should have been loudly announced. Gun safety should have been discussed. Anyone in the vicinity should have been behind plexiglass.
There should be an instructor standing behind them to make sure they don't do something stupid. Anyone who has learned how to shoot at a range learned with someone behind them making sure they aren't an idiot.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:57
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
The crew wanted her fired before this happened.
The production source said crew members had complained directly to Halls about the previous accidental gun discharges over the weekend, demanding to make sure they were documented. “All of us yelled at him, ‘That better be on the production report, these guys are irresponsible and shouldn’t be here,’” the source explained.
“That should be automatic grounds for termination on a union film set, you should be gone. The first time that gun went off without telling anybody, that whole department should have been replaced, immediately. Clearly production thought better of it, decided to roll the dice and pay the ultimate price.”
The production source said crew members had complained directly to Halls about the previous accidental gun discharges over the weekend, demanding to make sure they were documented. “All of us yelled at him, ‘That better be on the production report, these guys are irresponsible and shouldn’t be here,’” the source explained.
“That should be automatic grounds for termination on a union film set, you should be gone. The first time that gun went off without telling anybody, that whole department should have been replaced, immediately. Clearly production thought better of it, decided to roll the dice and pay the ultimate price.”
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:56
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
Are you all that surprised when the head armourer is 24 and never worked professionally before? Honestly she probably didn't even know she SHOULD be securing the set ammunition.
Obviously this is a case of malpratice but I'm curious if she'll be charged with negligent homicide.
That shocks me. When I heard about that, I always assumed that it would be retired military or police instructors.
Her father had 40+ years in film production experience as a weapons expert and armourer. He got her the job.
Nepotism. Just want to say, her being 24 isn't an issue. Someone with 5 years in the military may have lots of experience handling weapons and would have been perfectly qualified for the job. The issue is her lack of training and experience. Her dad obviously didn't actually train her.
There are cops and soldiers who are in charge of ranges. You also have instructors who are used to working with recruits who don't know how to use firearms. The utter disregard for firearms safety on this set is just astounding.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:51
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:More bad news from the armourer. She had an actor new to the set firing blanks at a hill the first time they met.
“I’ve got a 6 a.m. call tomorrow to have a big shoot-out. They had me pick my gun … The armorer was like, ‘Do you have gun experience?’ I was like, ‘A little,’” Ackles told the crowd.
“She was like, ‘This is how you load it, check it’s safe. Do you want it hip-drawn or cross-drawn? I’ll just put some blanks in there and just fire a couple of rounds towards the hill.’
“I walk out and she’s like, ‘Just make sure you pull the hammer all the way back and aim at your target,’ I was like ‘All right, I got it.’”
I don't know that I see the issue here.
I'm not saying the armorer gets off, but this situation, as described, doesn't seem like a problem.
Someone who claims to have little gun experience was given a few minutes of instruction, shown how to load and check the gun one time, and then was handed a loaded gun (with blanks - although we’ve learned that blanks can kill) and then told to go practice shooting it. That seems problematic. More than one person (who knows how to check a gun) should have checked it. The use of a live gun should have been loudly announced. Gun safety should have been discussed. Anyone in the vicinity should have been behind plexiglass.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:50
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Police found a mix of LIVE AMMUNITION and blanks on set.
I just totally can’t fathom this. I’m speechless.
- member of IATSE 20 years in the business
Are you all that surprised when the head armourer is 24 and never worked professionally before? Honestly she probably didn't even know she SHOULD be securing the set ammunition.
Obviously this is a case of malpratice but I'm curious if she'll be charged with negligent homicide.
That shocks me. When I heard about that, I always assumed that it would be retired military or police instructors.
Her father had 40+ years in film production experience as a weapons expert and armourer. He got her the job.
Nepotism. Just want to say, her being 24 isn't an issue. Someone with 5 years in the military may have lots of experience handling weapons and would have been perfectly qualified for the job. The issue is her lack of training and experience. Her dad obviously didn't actually train her.
I disagree on the age. There’s different levels of armourers. I guarantee her father wasn’t HEAD armourer at 24. He worked his way up with skills and experience.
Anonymous
10/25/2021 11:48
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:More bad news from the armourer. She had an actor new to the set firing blanks at a hill the first time they met.
“I’ve got a 6 a.m. call tomorrow to have a big shoot-out. They had me pick my gun … The armorer was like, ‘Do you have gun experience?’ I was like, ‘A little,’” Ackles told the crowd.
“She was like, ‘This is how you load it, check it’s safe. Do you want it hip-drawn or cross-drawn? I’ll just put some blanks in there and just fire a couple of rounds towards the hill.’
“I walk out and she’s like, ‘Just make sure you pull the hammer all the way back and aim at your target,’ I was like ‘All right, I got it.’”
I don't know that I see the issue here.
I'm not saying the armorer gets off, but this situation, as described, doesn't seem like a problem.
There’s a bunch of instances of her being unsafe on set. That’s just one of them.
The most troubling incident occurred when Gutierrez-Reed allegedly loaded a gun on the ground where the area was filled with pebbles, then without properly checking the weapon, handed it to child actress Ryan Kiera Armstrong, both sources told The Daily Beast.
Concerned crew members intervened, demanding filming be stopped until Gutierrez-Reed had properly checked the firearm, the two sources said.