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Anonymous wrote:The average Russian soldier make's it to 4 months before they die. 20 percent die within 8 weeks. Less than 1 percent make it to to 11 months.

I imagine Ukrainian numbers are similar.

It's a brutal war.

Ukrainians have a reason to fight. Russians are absolute scum. It's an imperial country looking to recreate the Soviet empire. There's no choice but to resist.

The upside is that Russia will never be a threat to the West again. They are getting wrecked. Have lost at least 50 percent of their military capabilities so far.

The situation is awful. What is interesting though are the pro-Russian Republicans in this country. Horrible people. Regan is rolling in his grave. Republicans used to stand for something. No longer apparently. Pathetic.

I'm conservative and basically favor funding Ukraine. The problem is in the messaging. The message Americans hear is that we are protecting a faraway democracy that we've never intervened to help, and that Biden didnt take steps to protect prior to the invasion. This is simply not a compelling message.

It would be better to level with Americans that while this is expensive, we are getting massive security returns by being able to bleed the Russian military without actually going to war. The idea that Rs love Russia is silly and false. Most Americans understand the need for strategic defense and would understand our involvement better if it were presented as an investment in our own security. Which is the real reason we are doing it-- no one suddenly loves Ukraine, they are a troubled and corrupt government.

Messaging, what messaging? The elites plunged us into a proxy war with a nuclear power without deigning to discuss the interests at stake.

Truly I don't understand what you are talking about with "Biden didnt' take steps to protect". Aid to Ukraine goes back to Trump. His attempt to cut off this aid led to one of his impeachments. Also the reasons for not creating a buildup of NATO weaponry prior to the invasion were clearly stated at the time. Tired of explaining it to people who can't read. Your starting point is the demand in 2021 that the west sign a treaty permanently banning Ukraine from NATO and demilitarizing Eastern Europe.

I'm not sure if you realize this, but we have sent Ukraine aid in the form of $113B since the invasion began, and also in weapons. We were not previously providing this much money under Trump, because this aid is explicitly to help Ukraine's defense. It's quite alarming to me that you're unaware of this and think that Congress is fighting over the continuation of pre-war era aid. That isnt the case. This is over 100B in aid, which makes it quite substantial.

Here's an article from WaPo on what I was referring to about the concern that Biden did little to prevent the invasion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/20/bidens-minor-incursion-remark-was-more-than-just-gaffe-it-revealed-weak-president/

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Anonymous wrote:The average Russian soldier make's it to 4 months before they die. 20 percent die within 8 weeks. Less than 1 percent make it to to 11 months.

I imagine Ukrainian numbers are similar.

It's a brutal war.

Ukrainians have a reason to fight. Russians are absolute scum. It's an imperial country looking to recreate the Soviet empire. There's no choice but to resist.

The upside is that Russia will never be a threat to the West again. They are getting wrecked. Have lost at least 50 percent of their military capabilities so far.

The situation is awful. What is interesting though are the pro-Russian Republicans in this country. Horrible people. Regan is rolling in his grave. Republicans used to stand for something. No longer apparently. Pathetic.

I'm conservative and basically favor funding Ukraine. The problem is in the messaging. The message Americans hear is that we are protecting a faraway democracy that we've never intervened to help, and that Biden didnt take steps to protect prior to the invasion. This is simply not a compelling message.

It would be better to level with Americans that while this is expensive, we are getting massive security returns by being able to bleed the Russian military without actually going to war. The idea that Rs love Russia is silly and false. Most Americans understand the need for strategic defense and would understand our involvement better if it were presented as an investment in our own security. Which is the real reason we are doing it-- no one suddenly loves Ukraine, they are a troubled and corrupt government.

Messaging, what messaging? The elites plunged us into a proxy war with a nuclear power without deigning to discuss the interests at stake.

Truly I don't understand what you are talking about with "Biden didnt' take steps to protect". Aid to Ukraine goes back to Trump. His attempt to cut off this aid led to one of his impeachments. Also the reasons for not creating a buildup of NATO weaponry prior to the invasion were clearly stated at the time. Tired of explaining it to people who can't read. Your starting point is the demand in 2021 that the west sign a treaty permanently banning Ukraine from NATO and demilitarizing Eastern Europe.

Anonymous wrote:The average Russian soldier make's it to 4 months before they die. 20 percent die within 8 weeks. Less than 1 percent make it to to 11 months.

I imagine Ukrainian numbers are similar.

It's a brutal war.

Ukrainians have a reason to fight. Russians are absolute scum. It's an imperial country looking to recreate the Soviet empire. There's no choice but to resist.

The upside is that Russia will never be a threat to the West again. They are getting wrecked. Have lost at least 50 percent of their military capabilities so far.

The situation is awful. What is interesting though are the pro-Russian Republicans in this country. Horrible people. Regan is rolling in his grave. Republicans used to stand for something. No longer apparently. Pathetic.

Are you the type of Ukrainian supporter that just makes things up, or are you the type that can't do math?

Can you show us how you calculated those values so we can figure it out?

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Anonymous wrote:The average Russian soldier make's it to 4 months before they die. 20 percent die within 8 weeks. Less than 1 percent make it to to 11 months.

I imagine Ukrainian numbers are similar.

It's a brutal war.

Ukrainians have a reason to fight. Russians are absolute scum. It's an imperial country looking to recreate the Soviet empire. There's no choice but to resist.

The upside is that Russia will never be a threat to the West again. They are getting wrecked. Have lost at least 50 percent of their military capabilities so far.

The situation is awful. What is interesting though are the pro-Russian Republicans in this country. Horrible people. Regan is rolling in his grave. Republicans used to stand for something. No longer apparently. Pathetic.

I'm conservative and basically favor funding Ukraine. The problem is in the messaging. The message Americans hear is that we are protecting a faraway democracy that we've never intervened to help, and that Biden didnt take steps to protect prior to the invasion. This is simply not a compelling message.

It would be better to level with Americans that while this is expensive, we are getting massive security returns by being able to bleed the Russian military without actually going to war. The idea that Rs love Russia is silly and false. Most Americans understand the need for strategic defense and would understand our involvement better if it were presented as an investment in our own security. Which is the real reason we are doing it-- no one suddenly loves Ukraine, they are a troubled and corrupt government.

Messaging, what messaging? The elites plunged us into a proxy war with a nuclear power without deigning to discuss the interests at stake.

Anonymous wrote:The average Russian soldier make's it to 4 months before they die. 20 percent die within 8 weeks. Less than 1 percent make it to to 11 months.

I imagine Ukrainian numbers are similar.

It's a brutal war.

Ukrainians have a reason to fight. Russians are absolute scum. It's an imperial country looking to recreate the Soviet empire. There's no choice but to resist.

The upside is that Russia will never be a threat to the West again. They are getting wrecked. Have lost at least 50 percent of their military capabilities so far.

The situation is awful. What is interesting though are the pro-Russian Republicans in this country. Horrible people. Regan is rolling in his grave. Republicans used to stand for something. No longer apparently. Pathetic.

I'm conservative and basically favor funding Ukraine. The problem is in the messaging. The message Americans hear is that we are protecting a faraway democracy that we've never intervened to help, and that Biden didnt take steps to protect prior to the invasion. This is simply not a compelling message.

It would be better to level with Americans that while this is expensive, we are getting massive security returns by being able to bleed the Russian military without actually going to war. The idea that Rs love Russia is silly and false. Most Americans understand the need for strategic defense and would understand our involvement better if it were presented as an investment in our own security. Which is the real reason we are doing it-- no one suddenly loves Ukraine, they are a troubled and corrupt government.

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Anonymous wrote:We have to fight the Russians over there otherwise we will be fighting them here.

I do not know about Russians making it to North America, ever.
But, we definitely should fund anyone who is willing to fight Russians and their puppets of Serbia and Belarus.
Any dead Russian, Serbian or Belarusian is a win for the west.

For too long we have had the illusion of safety due to oceans on either side of us. The workd is changing and technology means that Russia or China or Iran or North Korea can indeed attack us here. Oceans aren’t what they used to be.

So you can laugh but it’s true we need to stop Russia in its tracks in Ukraine NOW to ensure our safety. That is why Ukraine must be victorious and why Russia must be dismantled.

It cannot stop with Russia though. The Iranians, Chinese, and North Koreans must be destroyed as well to preserve freedom and democracy.

And the Venezuelans, Cubans, and Syrians. They too must be destroyed!

The West will be fine. No one is hinging the success of Europe and America’s freedom and democracy on the Ukrainians.

This.

There are a lot of reports that if the Ukrainians fought the way the west trained them it would be suicide. And that the west does not know how to fight this type of war.

Unfortunately, maybe Ukraine is right - the west does not know how to fight their war. Or (most likely) the west does know how but not sharing their TTP with Ukraine and letting them figure it out.

Anonymous wrote:The average Russian soldier make's it to 4 months before they die. 20 percent die within 8 weeks. Less than 1 percent make it to to 11 months.

I imagine Ukrainian numbers are similar.

It's a brutal war.

Ukrainians have a reason to fight. Russians are absolute scum. It's an imperial country looking to recreate the Soviet empire. There's no choice but to resist.

The upside is that Russia will never be a threat to the West again. They are getting wrecked. Have lost at least 50 percent of their military capabilities so far.

The situation is awful. What is interesting though are the pro-Russian Republicans in this country. Horrible people. Regan is rolling in his grave. Republicans used to stand for something. No longer apparently. Pathetic.

Right? How many of them are getting paid off. Follow the money.

But yeah I think there are some that are happy to see Russia burn themselves out in this war.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have to fight the Russians over there otherwise we will be fighting them here.

I do not know about Russians making it to North America, ever.
But, we definitely should fund anyone who is willing to fight Russians and their puppets of Serbia and Belarus.
Any dead Russian, Serbian or Belarusian is a win for the west.

For too long we have had the illusion of safety due to oceans on either side of us. The workd is changing and technology means that Russia or China or Iran or North Korea can indeed attack us here. Oceans aren’t what they used to be.

So you can laugh but it’s true we need to stop Russia in its tracks in Ukraine NOW to ensure our safety. That is why Ukraine must be victorious and why Russia must be dismantled.

It cannot stop with Russia though. The Iranians, Chinese, and North Koreans must be destroyed as well to preserve freedom and democracy.

And the Venezuelans, Cubans, and Syrians. They too must be destroyed!

The West will be fine. No one is hinging the success of Europe and America’s freedom and democracy on the Ukrainians.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have to fight the Russians over there otherwise we will be fighting them here.

I do not know about Russians making it to North America, ever.
But, we definitely should fund anyone who is willing to fight Russians and their puppets of Serbia and Belarus.
Any dead Russian, Serbian or Belarusian is a win for the west.

For too long we have had the illusion of safety due to oceans on either side of us. The workd is changing and technology means that Russia or China or Iran or North Korea can indeed attack us here. Oceans aren’t what they used to be.

So you can laugh but it’s true we need to stop Russia in its tracks in Ukraine NOW to ensure our safety. That is why Ukraine must be victorious and why Russia must be dismantled.

It cannot stop with Russia though. The Iranians, Chinese, and North Koreans must be destroyed as well to preserve freedom and democracy.

And the Venezuelans, Cubans, and Syrians. They too must be destroyed!

lol. The Russian troll is trying to swing the pendulum again to throw shade on Ukraine funding (e.g. in support of Greene's 'blood money' comments). Give it up Boris and Natasha. You really need better material. Do you get docked in pay for bad propaganda?

The MAGA blockage of Ukraine aid was expected, but it does help to identify those US Representatives with likely foreign influence ties back to Russia. The news that concerns me are things like this.

"Russia is refilling its ammunition stock much faster than expected"
https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/russias-lightning-fast-munition-restock-spooks-canada-our-stocks-will-drain-in-days-if-101696098898067.html

"150,000 extra shipping containers in Russia that importers are scrambling to return to China."
“There is significant cargo movement from China into Russia, but very scarce movement back.”
https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/russia-china-trade-imbalance-leads-to-150000-empty-containers-piling-up-in-russia/

"russia will allocate almost a third of the federal budget to the financing of "defense" in 2024"
"According to the Ministry of Finance of the russian federation, spending on the "National Defense" section next year will reach RUB 10.78 trillion, or 29.4% of the RUB 36.66 trillion that the government plans to spend next year."
"Dmitry Peskov said that the increase in defense spending is "absolutely necessary" because russia lives "in a state of hybrid war.""
https://ukranews.com/en/news/958606-russia-will-spend-almost-third-of-its-budget-on-defense-next-year

This hybrid statement means that Russia will be very active in the 2024 US elections (as well as in other countries, but my guess is the primary focus will be on the US).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have to fight the Russians over there otherwise we will be fighting them here.

I do not know about Russians making it to North America, ever.
But, we definitely should fund anyone who is willing to fight Russians and their puppets of Serbia and Belarus.
Any dead Russian, Serbian or Belarusian is a win for the west.

For too long we have had the illusion of safety due to oceans on either side of us. The workd is changing and technology means that Russia or China or Iran or North Korea can indeed attack us here. Oceans aren’t what they used to be.

So you can laugh but it’s true we need to stop Russia in its tracks in Ukraine NOW to ensure our safety. That is why Ukraine must be victorious and why Russia must be dismantled.

It cannot stop with Russia though. The Iranians, Chinese, and North Koreans must be destroyed as well to preserve freedom and democracy.

And the Venezuelans, Cubans, and Syrians. They too must be destroyed!

The average Russian soldier make's it to 4 months before they die. 20 percent die within 8 weeks. Less than 1 percent make it to to 11 months.

I imagine Ukrainian numbers are similar.

It's a brutal war.

Ukrainians have a reason to fight. Russians are absolute scum. It's an imperial country looking to recreate the Soviet empire. There's no choice but to resist.

The upside is that Russia will never be a threat to the West again. They are getting wrecked. Have lost at least 50 percent of their military capabilities so far.

The situation is awful. What is interesting though are the pro-Russian Republicans in this country. Horrible people. Regan is rolling in his grave. Republicans used to stand for something. No longer apparently. Pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:You guys still talking about this?? Lol it’s not ending, we will keep throwing money and something that will not end. So naive you people are

Are you counting on peace in our time?

You guys still talking about this?? Lol it’s not ending, we will keep throwing money and something that will not end. So naive you people are

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have to fight the Russians over there otherwise we will be fighting them here.

I do not know about Russians making it to North America, ever.
But, we definitely should fund anyone who is willing to fight Russians and their puppets of Serbia and Belarus.
Any dead Russian, Serbian or Belarusian is a win for the west.

For too long we have had the illusion of safety due to oceans on either side of us. The workd is changing and technology means that Russia or China or Iran or North Korea can indeed attack us here. Oceans aren’t what they used to be.

So you can laugh but it’s true we need to stop Russia in its tracks in Ukraine NOW to ensure our safety. That is why Ukraine must be victorious and why Russia must be dismantled.

It cannot stop with Russia though. The Iranians, Chinese, and North Koreans must be destroyed as well to preserve freedom and democracy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have to fight the Russians over there otherwise we will be fighting them here.

I do not know about Russians making it to North America, ever.
But, we definitely should fund anyone who is willing to fight Russians and their puppets of Serbia and Belarus.
Any dead Russian, Serbian or Belarusian is a win for the west.

For too long we have had the illusion of safety due to oceans on either side of us. The workd is changing and technology means that Russia or China or Iran or North Korea can indeed attack us here. Oceans aren’t what they used to be.

So you can laugh but it’s true we need to stop Russia in its tracks in Ukraine NOW to ensure our safety. That is why Ukraine must be victorious and why Russia must be dismantled.