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Anonymous wrote:Can the folks supporting Israel's continued war of death and destruction please elaborate on why they insist on using dehumanizing terms like "terrorist" and insisting that the fault lies solely upon Hamas? If you truly believe that Israel only has taken action in response to Palestinian terrorist acts, then why is it that Hamas was only founded in the 1980s? What about all of the action that Israel took prior to the 1980s? Why is it so hard to consider that both parties share in where they have wound up today. 10/7 was terrible and wrong, but it did not happen in a vacuum.

You call the war a genocide despite the fact the Palestinian population is far greater than the Jewish population and the Hamas numbers of those killed are inflated and include Hamas members and people killed by Hamas. You call Israel an apartheid country despite the fact all groups have equal rights and it's an incredibly diverse and happy place. Then, you say people who attack Israel and try to murder it's civilians should not be called terrorists because it's dehumanizing? I can only imagine what your thoughts are on the UNRWA schools teaching Jew hate, and martyrdom.

I'm not even a Netanyahu fan and I think there were serious lapses in intelligence regarding October 7th. Members of the IDF were reporting observing highly concerning activity. However, this war would not be going on if Hamas led terrorists, funded mostly by Iran had not attacked, brutally murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped.

Can you tell me about how a school could teach Jew hate or martyrdom?
I am genuinely curious how an overcrowded school in an iffy neighborhood could pull this off

Martyrdom coming from the country that has a mandatory military draft?

Hamas nor any other Palestinian movement doesn’t draft Palestinian boys or girls after high school. They can run around and play soccer all day for all anyone cares

The ones that join a terror group are there because they want to be there of their own volition and because they understand dying may occur and are ok with that. That makes them very dangerous mentally because they don’t draft half hearted countrymen.

How many IDF would really want to be in Gaza right now rather than at a nightclub, gay bar or beach in tel Aviv?

The ones that are most passionate about killing Arabs are sitting there among Arabs in the West Bank apparently not wanting to move to proper Israel or its army and unwilling to contribute to their so called promise land’s army

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Anonymous wrote:Don't engage, let the Gaza troll from the Hamas troll farm converse with itself.

That's one way to duck out of addressing some of the points made above. If you oppose genocide, you're now a member of "the Hamas troll farm." At least it makes a change from, "You're antisemitic."

Basically - the doctor who was raped to death is fake, hind rajab is fake and all the other dead kids!

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Anonymous wrote:Don't engage, let the Gaza troll from the Hamas troll farm converse with itself.

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Isn’t this a racist trope? Hamas has a troll farm but the pro Israelis are sincere? Who really has the troll farms - hint it’s not dying Palestinians.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't engage, let the Gaza troll from the Hamas troll farm converse with itself.

That's one way to duck out of addressing some of the points made above. If you oppose genocide, you're now a member of "the Hamas troll farm." At least it makes a change from, "You're antisemitic."

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Anonymous wrote:Netanyahu is almost the Yasser Arafat of Israel. Someone corrupt and only concerned with their political survival and popularity and filling their bank account up and nothing else. He’s failed

True. But you have to ask why did Hamas and all their supporters in Gaza choose to invade Israel and commit all those atrocities knowing that amoral scum like Netanyahu would obliterate Gaza if given a chance? This is the most right wing government in the history of Israel. Hamas chose to kill 1200 innocent civilians knowing very well that this government in particular would absolutely destroy both Gaza and any hopes for a Palestinian state in anyone's lifetime. It's bizarre to me why Palestinians in Gaza chose this course of action at this moment in time. But Palestinians making terrible decisions from 1947 onwards is to be expected. It's a pity.

Palestinians in Gaza didn’t go to a town hall and decide to bomb Israel. Hamas acted alone and From what I understand, not even the Hamas upper command in Qatar knew about 10/7. Sinwar and his brother kinda acted alone with their own Hamas comrades and 10/7 was their 1/6 rebellion and coup against Hamas in Qatar who were quite ok with the billions they made in Qatar and the status quo with Israel. Qatar supposedly wiretaps the Hamas in Doha so there’s no way Qatar, an Israel and Us ally, wouldn’t have told Israel if they knew Hamas in Qatar were planning things. Secrecy is the biggest problem
In Gaza. Hamas makes their members make a vow of secrecy so even among family members, nobody knows who is Hamas or who isn’t. Hamas assumes anyone can be working for the Israelis so it’s best to keep membership undercover. This is what makes beating Hamas incredibly hard for both Gazans and for Israelis. They don’t have an army as they’re not a country so they don’t have a uniform. You don’t really know who is Hamas and who isn’t so Gazans can’t really fight back against something they don’t know. The average Gazans aren’t aware of where the tunnels are and Hamas is masked when they do show up. It’s like a mystery as to who is Hamas. Supposedly many doctors are part of Hamas undercover because Hamas pays for their medical school, and they have the most distaste for Israel because they see the horrific injuries but then again, there are many secular pro Israeli Gazan doctors who advocated for Zoom calls with Israeli doctors and friendship over retaliation.

The point is nuance here exists and Hamas has intentionally designed themselves and their hideouts to be unbeatable. Israel is finding this out after years of waving Hamas off as stupid or unsophisticated because they don’t have the technology. Israel’s obsession with technology is their biggest blind spot. Technology doesn’t mean anything on the ground game. Military IQ is much bigger than that

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Anonymous wrote:Can the folks supporting Israel's continued war of death and destruction please elaborate on why they insist on using dehumanizing terms like "terrorist" and insisting that the fault lies solely upon Hamas? If you truly believe that Israel only has taken action in response to Palestinian terrorist acts, then why is it that Hamas was only founded in the 1980s? What about all of the action that Israel took prior to the 1980s? Why is it so hard to consider that both parties share in where they have wound up today. 10/7 was terrible and wrong, but it did not happen in a vacuum.

You call the war a genocide despite the fact the Palestinian population is far greater than the Jewish population and the Hamas numbers of those killed are inflated and include Hamas members and people killed by Hamas. You call Israel an apartheid country despite the fact all groups have equal rights and it's an incredibly diverse and happy place. Then, you say people who attack Israel and try to murder it's civilians should not be called terrorists because it's dehumanizing? I can only imagine what your thoughts are on the UNRWA schools teaching Jew hate, and martyrdom.

I'm not even a Netanyahu fan and I think there were serious lapses in intelligence regarding October 7th. Members of the IDF were reporting observing highly concerning activity. However, this war would not be going on if Hamas led terrorists, funded mostly by Iran had not attacked, brutally murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped.

Can you tell me about how a school could teach Jew hate or martyrdom?
I am genuinely curious how an overcrowded school in an iffy neighborhood could pull this off

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Anonymous wrote:Can the folks supporting Israel's continued war of death and destruction please elaborate on why they insist on using dehumanizing terms like "terrorist" and insisting that the fault lies solely upon Hamas? If you truly believe that Israel only has taken action in response to Palestinian terrorist acts, then why is it that Hamas was only founded in the 1980s? What about all of the action that Israel took prior to the 1980s? Why is it so hard to consider that both parties share in where they have wound up today. 10/7 was terrible and wrong, but it did not happen in a vacuum.

You call the war a genocide despite the fact the Palestinian population is far greater than the Jewish population and the Hamas numbers of those killed are inflated and include Hamas members and people killed by Hamas. You call Israel an apartheid country despite the fact all groups have equal rights and it's an incredibly diverse and happy place. Then, you say people who attack Israel and try to murder it's civilians should not be called terrorists because it's dehumanizing? I can only imagine what your thoughts are on the UNRWA schools teaching Jew hate, and martyrdom.

I'm not even a Netanyahu fan and I think there were serious lapses in intelligence regarding October 7th. Members of the IDF were reporting observing highly concerning activity. However, this war would not be going on if Hamas led terrorists, funded mostly by Iran had not attacked, brutally murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped.

Members of the IDF rape prisoners and kill children, not sure what your point is.

Also let’s not forget Palestinians are subject to military law by an occupying force, yes totally not an apartheid lol

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Anonymous wrote:Can the folks supporting Israel's continued war of death and destruction please elaborate on why they insist on using dehumanizing terms like "terrorist" and insisting that the fault lies solely upon Hamas? If you truly believe that Israel only has taken action in response to Palestinian terrorist acts, then why is it that Hamas was only founded in the 1980s? What about all of the action that Israel took prior to the 1980s? Why is it so hard to consider that both parties share in where they have wound up today. 10/7 was terrible and wrong, but it did not happen in a vacuum.

You call the war a genocide despite the fact the Palestinian population is far greater than the Jewish population and the Hamas numbers of those killed are inflated and include Hamas members and people killed by Hamas. You call Israel an apartheid country despite the fact all groups have equal rights and it's an incredibly diverse and happy place. Then, you say people who attack Israel and try to murder it's civilians should not be called terrorists because it's dehumanizing? I can only imagine what your thoughts are on the UNRWA schools teaching Jew hate, and martyrdom.

I'm not even a Netanyahu fan and I think there were serious lapses in intelligence regarding October 7th. Members of the IDF were reporting observing highly concerning activity. However, this war would not be going on if Hamas led terrorists, funded mostly by Iran had not attacked, brutally murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped.

Members of the IDF rape prisoners and kill children, not sure what your point is.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't engage, let the Gaza troll from the Hamas troll farm converse with itself.

bump

Isn’t this a racist trope? Hamas has a troll farm but the pro Israelis are sincere? Who really has the troll farms - hint it’s not dying Palestinians.

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Anonymous wrote:Despite all the pro-Hamas posting in this thread, the reality is that Israel is a modern first-world democracy with a modern military, engaged in defensive action to preserve itself. That may mean the creation of buffer zones, and changing borders. The terrorists who initiated attacks, no matter what their grievances, are wholly to blame for the outcomes people so loudly declaim here, usually with factually incorrect and completely fabricated assertions about the relative behaviors of the combatants.

Well said. They rarely bring up the hostages, but yes the terrorists are wholly to blame.

This is absolutely on the terrorists exclusively. They initiated and continue the current conflict, they deliberately hide among and under civilians, they committed unspeakable atrocities, and they continue to hold hostages. Wrong-headed arguments about apartheid, Palestiniain displacement post Resolution 181, and wailing about current civilian Palestinian casualties cannot change those facts. If the terrorists surrendered and released their hostages there would be no further civilian casualties, but where are the pro-Palestinian appeals for such actions? There are none - it's all about how bad the Israelis are for responding decisively to terror.

Exactly. Therefore they have to root out and eliminate Hamas. Can't put out part of a fire.

+100. Also, one cannot compare the hostages who committed no crime to those detained by Israel for terrorist acts. Sadly there are children who have attempted terrorism too because they were indoctrinated to think terrorism was noble from an early age. Once Hamas is gone there will need to be de-radicalization. This whole projection of everything Hamas terrorists do onto the IDF is part of the psychological warfare.

No charge = no terror.

Reads like a standard do no wrong by the west playbook response. Of course Israel boo-hoo never did anything! How could everyone be so unfair. Brainwashing 101 folks lol.

Anonymous wrote:Don't engage, let the Gaza troll from the Hamas troll farm converse with itself.

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Kamala was going to go to bat for Gaza and was playing hardball with netanyahu but it wasn't fast enough or strong enough for you. So guess what now? We have a guy who is going to actively help wipe Gaza off of the map. Congrats

What the hell do you want us to do about any of this now the election is over. Trump doesn't care that is who you want to be elected so I guess you should just be happy

Anonymous wrote:Can the folks supporting Israel's continued war of death and destruction please elaborate on why they insist on using dehumanizing terms like "terrorist" and insisting that the fault lies solely upon Hamas? If you truly believe that Israel only has taken action in response to Palestinian terrorist acts, then why is it that Hamas was only founded in the 1980s? What about all of the action that Israel took prior to the 1980s? Why is it so hard to consider that both parties share in where they have wound up today. 10/7 was terrible and wrong, but it did not happen in a vacuum.

You call the war a genocide despite the fact the Palestinian population is far greater than the Jewish population and the Hamas numbers of those killed are inflated and include Hamas members and people killed by Hamas. You call Israel an apartheid country despite the fact all groups have equal rights and it's an incredibly diverse and happy place. Then, you say people who attack Israel and try to murder it's civilians should not be called terrorists because it's dehumanizing? I can only imagine what your thoughts are on the UNRWA schools teaching Jew hate, and martyrdom.

I'm not even a Netanyahu fan and I think there were serious lapses in intelligence regarding October 7th. Members of the IDF were reporting observing highly concerning activity. However, this war would not be going on if Hamas led terrorists, funded mostly by Iran had not attacked, brutally murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped.

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Anonymous wrote:Despite all the pro-Hamas posting in this thread, the reality is that Israel is a modern first-world democracy with a modern military, engaged in defensive action to preserve itself. That may mean the creation of buffer zones, and changing borders. The terrorists who initiated attacks, no matter what their grievances, are wholly to blame for the outcomes people so loudly declaim here, usually with factually incorrect and completely fabricated assertions about the relative behaviors of the combatants.

Well said. They rarely bring up the hostages, but yes the terrorists are wholly to blame.

This is absolutely on the terrorists exclusively. They initiated and continue the current conflict, they deliberately hide among and under civilians, they committed unspeakable atrocities, and they continue to hold hostages. Wrong-headed arguments about apartheid, Palestiniain displacement post Resolution 181, and wailing about current civilian Palestinian casualties cannot change those facts. If the terrorists surrendered and released their hostages there would be no further civilian casualties, but where are the pro-Palestinian appeals for such actions? There are none - it's all about how bad the Israelis are for responding decisively to terror.

Exactly. Therefore they have to root out and eliminate Hamas. Can't put out part of a fire.

+100. Also, one cannot compare the hostages who committed no crime to those detained by Israel for terrorist acts. Sadly there are children who have attempted terrorism too because they were indoctrinated to think terrorism was noble from an early age. Once Hamas is gone there will need to be de-radicalization. This whole projection of everything Hamas terrorists do onto the IDF is part of the psychological warfare.

But what "terrorist acts" have the Palestinian detainees supposedly committed? Why are we supposed to take Israel's word for it that they are terrorists when they are never charged? "Administrative detention" is a secret process and rife with abuses. How is it different from what Hamas did? What "terrorist act" did Dr. Al Bursch or Mosab Abu Toha commit? Both were abducted by Israel and tortured. It appears Dr. Al Bursch was raped to death. For what? It is explicitly racist to trivialize these human rights abuses while excoriating Hamas for what they did on 10/7. And we know Israel has an unwritten policy of extrajudicial executions of journalists. That, too, is no better than what Hamas has done.

The allegations regarding the rape of Dr. Al Barush are by Francesca Albanese, an incredibly corrupt member of the UN accepting expensive free trips from pro-Hamas groups and she never disclosed her husband's ties to the Palestinian authority, the group that does pay for slay of Jews. If you have a more credible source, I would like to see it (and not Al Jazeera funded by Qatar).

Why do people enter Israeli detention alive and come out dead?

Agree. We never hear the end of the supposed rapes on 10/7, but when there is actual video evidence of rape in Sde Teiman, there was a public outcry in Israel over the fact that nine Israeli soldiers were detained. If Israel has clean hands over Dr. Al Bursch's death, why don't they invite neutral parties to observe his autopsy, make the cause of death known, and return his body to his family? That would settle the question. We should all be outraged that his death is being clouded in secrecy.