Anonymous wrote:Despite all the pro-Hamas posting in this thread, the reality is that Israel is a modern first-world democracy with a modern military, engaged in defensive action to preserve itself. That may mean the creation of buffer zones, and changing borders. The terrorists who initiated attacks, no matter what their grievances, are wholly to blame for the outcomes people so loudly declaim here, usually with factually incorrect and completely fabricated assertions about the relative behaviors of the combatants.

Netanyahu is no example of democracy when he’s been there longer than any other current leader in the Middle East, including Irans president. First world is all thanks to the Us. Without us and Germany’s reparations, Israel would not be first world. Nobody wants to work or live in that place. Not even Jews.

Who wants a military draft for their kids to die in Gaza or Lebanon because Bibi doesn’t know what he’s doing?

Golda Meir was unfairly pushed out by the Israeli public for 10/7/73 when Israel won that war in a matter of days.

Nobody in the Israeli public believes the IDF can find the hostages or beat Hamas. This war was a loss, yet somehow Netanyahu who is now deleting calls and retracting transcripts of calls from 10/7 to cover his ass, should stay in power.

One of the striking things is Netanyahu is how he is a very poor judge of character. He snubbed Obama to befriend Putin and Xi. He snubbed Abbas/West Bank to befriend Hamas. He snubbed Biden to align with Trump, assuming he can control Trump instead of the man with dementia who runs into walls.

Netanyahu is almost the Yasser Arafat of Israel. Someone corrupt and only concerned with their political survival and popularity and filling their bank account up and nothing else. He’s failed

Anonymous wrote:Despite all the pro-Hamas posting in this thread, the reality is that Israel is a modern first-world democracy with a modern military, engaged in defensive action to preserve itself. That may mean the creation of buffer zones, and changing borders. The terrorists who initiated attacks, no matter what their grievances, are wholly to blame for the outcomes people so loudly declaim here, usually with factually incorrect and completely fabricated assertions about the relative behaviors of the combatants.

+1,000,000

There’s nothing first world about Israel if they can be overrun in a day by men in sandals, pick up trucks, and hot air balloons. If Israel wants to get its respect back, step 1 is firing Netanyahu

Anonymous wrote:Despite all the pro-Hamas posting in this thread, the reality is that Israel is a modern first-world democracy with a modern military, engaged in defensive action to preserve itself. That may mean the creation of buffer zones, and changing borders. The terrorists who initiated attacks, no matter what their grievances, are wholly to blame for the outcomes people so loudly declaim here, usually with factually incorrect and completely fabricated assertions about the relative behaviors of the combatants.

Changing borders to Beirut? Maybe it’s time to take the bombs and go home. Netanyahu doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing and the idf is too busy on TikTok than in the tunnels actually getting hostages or Hamas

Anonymous wrote:I also love how after 60 years of Arab surprise attacks, Israel still doesn’t get how they operate. Of course they would symbolize to Israel that they’re more concerned with Iran. Why wouldn’t they let Israel’s guard down? Hamas did that with Bibi. Hamas was claiming a few years ago that they accept Israel and 1967 borders essentially holding up the white flag in surrender. Obviously that was either a smokescreen or ruse and they were being deceptive.

Israel used to do all the tricking but now they’re the ones getting tricked

There was no surprise in 10/7, it was known about beforehand and allowed to proceed. The resignations and hand-wringing about intelligence failures are all theater. It has worked out very well, brilliant strategy.

Despite all the pro-Hamas posting in this thread, the reality is that Israel is a modern first-world democracy with a modern military, engaged in defensive action to preserve itself. That may mean the creation of buffer zones, and changing borders. The terrorists who initiated attacks, no matter what their grievances, are wholly to blame for the outcomes people so loudly declaim here, usually with factually incorrect and completely fabricated assertions about the relative behaviors of the combatants.

I don’t see Israel or diaspora Jews who support Israel ever being treated the same again. They wanted to earn respect through fear, intimidation, and murder, and now Zionism is a dirty word that to today’s college students is the equivalent of Stalinism or Nazism for earlier generations. They will never be able to recover for what they have done to the Palestinians.

I also love how after 60 years of Arab surprise attacks, Israel still doesn’t get how they operate. Of course they would symbolize to Israel that they’re more concerned with Iran. Why wouldn’t they let Israel’s guard down? Hamas did that with Bibi. Hamas was claiming a few years ago that they accept Israel and 1967 borders essentially holding up the white flag in surrender. Obviously that was either a smokescreen or ruse and they were being deceptive.

Israel used to do all the tricking but now they’re the ones getting tricked

They openly show their maps and openly brag about hosting the son of Hamas’s founder as a defector and Arab hero while the IDF kill newborns and shoot kids in the head playing soccer. As Trump would say, They are so stupid. The government of Israel is probably dumber than we are and that’s a hard thing to surpass.

In 2014, Israeli activists circulated a map on Facebook, referring to it as the “Greater Israel” or “Kingdom of David,” which included territories of Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Representatives of these nations and some others walked out in disgust when Netanyahu foolishly brought a similar map last September 27, 2023 before the UN General Assembly. This was a week before 10/7, and he was already alienating people.

Incredibly, Iran is not in the Greater Israel map yet the Israeli government believes Arabs (many in these same Greater Israel maps) would somehow align with them over Palestinians because they deem Iran as a major expansionist threat.

It’s hilarious the level of delusion and naïveté Israel lives in

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Anonymous wrote:Israel also wants Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon. These are documented from the horse’s mouth.

There’s a manifest destiny behind Israel. They don’t even have enough Israeli people to fill all these places. The Golan heights has hardly any Jews there.

Please cite your sources.

Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, wanted a Greater Israel from the River Nile in Egypt to the River Euphrates in Iraq. Of course such a plan is seen as a long shot and buried only among the fringe right wingers but Netanyahu had revived “Greater Israel” and aligned his government in support of the “Greater Israel” advocates and extremists

inscribed at the entrance of the Knesset: “And when the Lord appeared to Abraham, He granted him the Holy Land from the Nile to the Euphrates.”

This is not something that’s hidden. It’s a genuine religious belief that the entire Levant belongs to Jews

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Anonymous wrote:Likewise, Palestinians think they are the moral superiors to Israelis. Evidence isn’t in their favor toward this either.

I don't know that Palestinians think that. They just want their land back and are tired of being exterminated and expelled from their ancestral lands. If you decide you don't want to be a second-class citizen, that doesn't mean you think you're morally superior to anyone. It just means you'd like to maintain your rights.

THEIR land? Lol.

Google nakba. Thx

It’s the land of both ‘sides,’ do your homework or maybe join an archaeological dig next time you are in Israel.
I don’t even get upset reading this because anyone who is informed knows this.

lol Those “digs” are pseudoarcheology like when the Nazi did their “archeology”. Jews have no legitimate claim to Palestine.

There’s a great Israeli archeologist called Tsvi Misinar. He discovered old Palestinian villages and buildings and ancient graveyards with Arabic Muslim names on it, with Jewish stars engraved and noted Many Of the graves buried with Muslims faced Jerusalem not Mecca implying their ancestors were Jews or they kept some Jewish traditions mixed in. None of the other Arabs bury toward Jerusalem, use candles, or use stars or avoid cooking on Sabbath so this implies the Palestinians are descendants of Jews and did not come from Saudi Arabia or Syria as Israelis like to claim. Israel is killing the descendants of Judeans

+1. Plus there is genetic evidence linking both Israelis and Palestinians to the Canaanites. It’s a cousin war. Horrible and tragic.

It is tragic. In the video, most the Palestinians asked to blur their faces and names when discussing their grandparents not cooking on Shabbat and using tefillin as if it were a taboo for them to admit they were even remotely connected to Jews in the ancient past.