Anonymous wrote:15:44. The shooter was a neo Nazi. It's on his twitter and he mowed a swastika. His relationship to neo Nazism is very clear. You look stupider by the minute.

DP but 1544 makes a salient point. Even I'm beginning to tune out the hysterical shrieking and I'm on the same left side.

The twitter account in question is doctorpepper35.

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Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

Being suicidal does not mean someone is not a terrorist. Again, lots of islamic suicide bombers are desperate, suicidal, etc.

Not sure why someone needs to be an SJW to think that being a neoNazi just MIGHT have played a role in this (apart from the motive for the girls mom to not want them dating)

Because the girls parents weren't Jewish, and there does not seem to be any racial or political motivation behind this? He was pissed off at his girlfriend's parents for trying to force them to breakup.

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+2 - This in a nutshell.

this tragic story reminds me of the movie Higher Learning with the character who had no friends, was unstable, and found acceptance among the neo nazis group. Unstable people and guns never mix. Ever.

https://youtu.be/pbXIQBZ0eGE

15:44. The shooter was a neo Nazi. It's on his twitter and he mowed a swastika. His relationship to neo Nazism is very clear. You look stupider by the minute.

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Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

Being suicidal does not mean someone is not a terrorist. Again, lots of islamic suicide bombers are desperate, suicidal, etc.

Not sure why someone needs to be an SJW to think that being a neoNazi just MIGHT have played a role in this (apart from the motive for the girls mom to not want them dating)

Because the girls parents weren't Jewish, and there does not seem to be any racial or political motivation behind this? He was pissed off at his girlfriend's parents for trying to force them to breakup.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that his parents should be charged, but the only thing, legally, I think they can get them on is that he had access to their guns.

This law does not apply. Shooter is not under the age of 12.

§ 18.2-56.2. Allowing access to firearms by children; penalty.

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to recklessly leave a loaded, unsecured firearm in such a manner as to endanger the life or limb of any child under the age of fourteen. Any person violating the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to authorize a child under the age of twelve to use a firearm except when the child is under the supervision of an adult. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. For purposes of this subsection, "adult" shall mean a parent, guardian, person standing in loco parentis to the child or a person twenty-one years or over who has the permission of the parent, guardian, or person standing in loco parentis to supervise the child in the use of a firearm.

Anonymous wrote:The police are probably waiting until they have a strong case to charge the shooter's parents.

With what?

Virginia parental liability laws are not very stringent.

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This is a very likely scenario. I also think it's quite possible he was just there to visit (have sex) with his girlfriend and after being caught by her angry parents, got pissed, shot them, and when he realized what he had done, tried to kill himself. The reason he had a gun is because he carries one around anyways. Keep in mind there are people who do that, carry concealed weapons around as a matter of course. Wouldn't surprise me if shooter comes from such a family and even if they didn't give him his own personal gun, they probably owned many and didn't notice if one was missing.

Do people on NeoNazi websites tend to support gun ownership? Is it possible that he was ENCOURAGED, politically, to have a gun and keep it with him? Is it possible that someone told him Reston, with its diverse population, is particularly dangerous?

I think that it's more likely that the type of person who is drawn to neo-nazism is the same type of person who is drawn to gun ownership (and no I'm not saying all gun owners are neo-nazis!)

Oh please you people are just stupid. You had a sixteen year old girl with probably the first ever boy to tell her she was everything to him. They were in love
She could probably give two f s about his beliefs, she is sixteen and in love. Romeo and Juliet Jesus, first love us powerful. This was t about politics. Prayers for the families.

Uh, the comments you quoted are not discussing the girls motives, but what drove the boy toward gun ownership and violence. We don't know that politics had an influence, but we don't know it didn't. NeoNazism is (I hope) still a pretty bizarre outlier. When it shows up at all, I would not dismiss it as a factor in whatever happened.

Because everything is about guns to you people. Just stop.

while i personally support gun control, I have come to accept that American attitudes toward guns are what they are, and change will happen only at the margins. I am much more concerned about the normalizing of NeoNazism (or just Nazism) in America. None of my comments to this thread have been about guns per se, but about Nazism.

Anonymous wrote:The kid apparently mowed a huge Nazi sign in a yard. The neighbors wish now they had called police not just his parents.

The police would have done nothing, and could do nothing.

Who is this poster? They make no sense. Is this just one person? They have no comprehension skills or haven't even read an article about this. Scary if they actually believe the things listed below. Responses to their comments are in italics.

If the parents taught the boy how to drive and gave him access to a car it was probably intended more to prepare him for his future than anything else. You seriously think that they expected this hell? - Per the articles the parents had already contacted them and said that he was taking their car at night to their house and that he was not allowed there or anywhere near their daughter. It is not a problem that he had a car. It is a problem that he was out again late at night with it. They should have expected some sort of hell for taking the car out again to the daughter's house

I seriously doubt his parents knew he was in his girlfriend's bedroom. Geesh, didn't any of you people ever sneak your boyfriend into your bedroom? It is confirmed by numerous articles that the girl's parents confronted the shooter's parents and told them this was happening in the middle of the night - the car, the girl, and the bedroom - and it needed to stop. Both children were labeled mentally unstable so this was on both parents to stop.

Did the parents know that their son was dangerous? It's very possible they didn't. Many parents of 17 year old boys wouldn't stand guard over their sons to prevent them from seeing their girlfriends simply because the girl's parents didn't like them. The parents knew their child had said slurs at school and had made threats as reported by the daughter's mother and other friends, they knew he was a neo Nazi from their confession to the lawn mowing swastika which probably meant they also knew about his twitter account, and they knew he was making threats about his anger towards people from the daughter's mother as well. I don't know how dangerous they thought he was, but they were definitely notified on many occasions about his behavior and have admitted to the police and the neighbors that he believes these things and is mentally unstable.

I guess it can be argued that the boy was showing up at the house and the girl was letting this boy into her house. The Frickers were aware that he had been sneaking into their house on multiple occasions. The mother was aware of the boy's neo nazi ideology.
Aside from telling other people - the school, his parents - to do something, what had these parents done to prevent their daughter from sneaking this kid into their house? Honestly, I don't think that any of these parents were afraid of violence from this kid. It is true that the Frickers said the boy had been nice to their daughter so it's possible they didn't know how violent he was at least not till toward the end when they got hold of his twitter account. Which is why they let the relationship go on for so long. They let them talk for 2 hours a night. However when they realized he was dangerous they did a lot to both notify people and cut off the relationship. They notified the school. They notified the shooter's parents. They notified their daughter's friends and had them talk her out of dating this boy. Did you even read an article on this or are you just coming on to blame the victim? This post sounds very uninformed.

But we really don't know how his mental illness presented itself prior to this. Think about the Columbine, Sandy Hook, and the Vegas Shooting. Most people knew the shooters were a bit off or unstable but no one thought they were dangerous before they committed their crimes. We know enough to know that the parents agreed their child was a neo Nazi and had enough sense to send him to a school for mentally unstable children with a 1:3 ratio. Those are signs that he's pretty unstable and capable of violence.

Did he make them in front of his parents? Parents are often the last to know. From what I can gather, the school and the daughter's mom already notified the shooter's parents that he made those remarks. Do you really think a neo Nazi that attends a school for emotionally disturbed children is a saint at home?

I think we can learn something from this horrible incident. These parents were not willing to listen to this boy, just a boy whose brain is still forming. They should have had faith in their daughter's ability to find her way, and they could have engaged him in conversation, given that he was knowledgeable about history, in events having nothing to do with Nazism. The boy clearly had mental problems. Spending time with him and his family might have been a better way to teach her daughter that his hatred was wrong, and it might even have helped this boy see that they were not villains in his script. The parents spent from June till December and probably earlier knowing this boy and trying to deal with him nicely. The children talked daily on the phone for often over 2 hours. December was most likely not the first time the parents talked. But things started to move south when the daughter's family realized what type of boy he was. Both children were mentally unstable. The parents realized this child was dangerous and tried to put an end to it and notified many adults knowing that the children could not handle the situation themselves. The had more than enough patience in this relationship both with the shooters parents and the shooter himself.

Oh please you people are just stupid. You had a sixteen year old girl with probably the first ever boy to tell her she was everything to him. They were in love
She could probably give two f s about his beliefs, she is sixteen and in love. Romeo and Juliet Jesus, first love us powerful. This was t about politics. Prayers for the families. The daughter came home and made some remarks that seemed to say that she believed in what her boyfriend believed about WWII. She even asked to see WWII movies with her family when they told her that her boyfriend was a neo Nazi. Obviously she was affected by those beliefs.

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This is a very likely scenario. I also think it's quite possible he was just there to visit (have sex) with his girlfriend and after being caught by her angry parents, got pissed, shot them, and when he realized what he had done, tried to kill himself. The reason he had a gun is because he carries one around anyways. Keep in mind there are people who do that, carry concealed weapons around as a matter of course. Wouldn't surprise me if shooter comes from such a family and even if they didn't give him his own personal gun, they probably owned many and didn't notice if one was missing.

Do people on NeoNazi websites tend to support gun ownership? Is it possible that he was ENCOURAGED, politically, to have a gun and keep it with him? Is it possible that someone told him Reston, with its diverse population, is particularly dangerous?

I think that it's more likely that the type of person who is drawn to neo-nazism is the same type of person who is drawn to gun ownership (and no I'm not saying all gun owners are neo-nazis!)

Oh please you people are just stupid. You had a sixteen year old girl with probably the first ever boy to tell her she was everything to him. They were in love
She could probably give two f s about his beliefs, she is sixteen and in love. Romeo and Juliet Jesus, first love us powerful. This was t about politics. Prayers for the families.

Uh, the comments you quoted are not discussing the girls motives, but what drove the boy toward gun ownership and violence. We don't know that politics had an influence, but we don't know it didn't. NeoNazism is (I hope) still a pretty bizarre outlier. When it shows up at all, I would not dismiss it as a factor in whatever happened.

Because everything is about guns to you people. Just stop.

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This is a very likely scenario. I also think it's quite possible he was just there to visit (have sex) with his girlfriend and after being caught by her angry parents, got pissed, shot them, and when he realized what he had done, tried to kill himself. The reason he had a gun is because he carries one around anyways. Keep in mind there are people who do that, carry concealed weapons around as a matter of course. Wouldn't surprise me if shooter comes from such a family and even if they didn't give him his own personal gun, they probably owned many and didn't notice if one was missing.

Do people on NeoNazi websites tend to support gun ownership? Is it possible that he was ENCOURAGED, politically, to have a gun and keep it with him? Is it possible that someone told him Reston, with its diverse population, is particularly dangerous?

I think that it's more likely that the type of person who is drawn to neo-nazism is the same type of person who is drawn to gun ownership (and no I'm not saying all gun owners are neo-nazis!)

Oh please you people are just stupid. You had a sixteen year old girl with probably the first ever boy to tell her she was everything to him. They were in love
She could probably give two f s about his beliefs, she is sixteen and in love. Romeo and Juliet Jesus, first love us powerful. This was t about politics. Prayers for the families.

Uh, the comments you quoted are not discussing the girls motives, but what drove the boy toward gun ownership and violence. We don't know that politics had an influence, but we don't know it didn't. NeoNazism is (I hope) still a pretty bizarre outlier. When it shows up at all, I would not dismiss it as a factor in whatever happened.

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This is a very likely scenario. I also think it's quite possible he was just there to visit (have sex) with his girlfriend and after being caught by her angry parents, got pissed, shot them, and when he realized what he had done, tried to kill himself. The reason he had a gun is because he carries one around anyways. Keep in mind there are people who do that, carry concealed weapons around as a matter of course. Wouldn't surprise me if shooter comes from such a family and even if they didn't give him his own personal gun, they probably owned many and didn't notice if one was missing.

Do people on NeoNazi websites tend to support gun ownership? Is it possible that he was ENCOURAGED, politically, to have a gun and keep it with him? Is it possible that someone told him Reston, with its diverse population, is particularly dangerous?

I think that it's more likely that the type of person who is drawn to neo-nazism is the same type of person who is drawn to gun ownership (and no I'm not saying all gun owners are neo-nazis!)

Oh please you people are just stupid. You had a sixteen year old girl with probably the first ever boy to tell her she was everything to him. They were in love
She could probably give two f s about his beliefs, she is sixteen and in love. Romeo and Juliet Jesus, first love us powerful. This was t about politics. Prayers for the families.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we can learn something from this horrible incident. These parents were not willing to listen to this boy, just a boy whose brain is still forming. They should have had faith in their daughter's ability to find her way, and they could have engaged him in conversation, given that he was knowledgable about history, in events having nothing to do with Nazism. The boy clearly had mental problems. Spending time with him and his family might have been a better way to teach her daughter that his hatred was wrong, and it might even have helped this boy see that they were not villains in his script.

Why are talking about the girl's parents? The shooter's parents were the responsible adults in this whole scenario.

You posters are crazy.

Yes, let's not discuss the boy's parents who are legally responsible for him and who likely provided the gun.

No, the PP were saying the shooters parents were responsible and that is just crazy talk.