Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 10:15     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Muslima wrote:Ok, I had a good laugh, time-out now. Jummah Mubarak to you my sister in Islam. I think you and I both showed our humanity and went overboard in some of these responses, I did chuckle a lot but reality has set in now, I think it is best that we leave it alone at this point. It is clear to everyone reading this that the other PPs are not here to learn about Islam, they just want to create discord, mock and vilify as much as they can. This is no longer a discussion/debate, and this is exactly what they wanted. So, in the same of what we share, and for the sake of Allah, I am asking you to stop responding to insults/mockeries in this blessed day of Friday, which is the day Adam entered Heaven, the day he was expelled from it, the day the Quran was perfected and sealed, and it is also going to be the day of resurrection The best day on which the sun rises is Friday, let's not waste it on this futile discussion. Let's follow the way of our beloved Rassul today and take the high road, him who was faced with so much more than we could ever imagine but showed good manners and was courteous to all, even to those insulting him daily and throwing trash at him subhanaAllah. The great genius of our religion, and one of the great truths of our Prophet saw is that he came as a mercy to everyone. He created multi-ethnic and multi-cultural societies. He had all types of people: Persians, Romans, Africans, Arabs from different tribes and he brought them into a fraternity of mercy. He had Jews and Christians and he honored them, and spoke to them kindly. He was not a harsh person, he was a gentle person. He created an open society. Our religion honors people and treats them with dignity. May Allah preserve in us the tolerance of Islam. Jummah Mubarak my dear sister in Islam!


Yes you are right, Muslima. I did offer salat and ask Allah for forgiveness. I read the Quran last night and it said Allah asks us to leave Him alone to deal with disbelievers. So I shall do that.

I love my faith but my mockery was not in accordance with Islamic behavior. I know that. I have a temper.

I have great admiration for your patience in the face of so much harassment and mockery. One day I hope I can learn that type of sabr.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 10:09     Subject: Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
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Anonymous wrote:PS, good luck in landing that PR job you're seeking! From your performance here, you'll kill at it. Literally.


Ahhh, but if you only knew my background. Well suited for the job of going up against islamophobes like you.

I dunno, you kinda suck at it here..


This isn't the United Nations. We're in rural, back woods, Islamophobe America, remember? Your toothless grins should be a constant reminder of that.

You're doing a terrible disservice to our religion.

Signed, a Muslim.


Sorry. I have a temper. It takes the patience of a saint/prophet to not lose one's temper when its clear they have an agenda to vilify Islam.

I've been reading this thread and shaking my head, getting more disgusted by the minute. Your complete lack of Islamic adab does more damage to our religion than the worst of the kuffar. Every single non-Muslim who reads this will leave with a worse impression of Islam than they had before they read your remarks.


First of all, there is no proof you are indeed a Muslim. Where were you before when the islamophobes were attacking Islam and we could have used another knowledgeable person to help explain things to them? Instead, you sat like a potted plant and watched this drama like you were watching a soap opera. Now suddenly, you find it necessary to speak up, not to criticize those who trashed your faith, but to criticize the fellow Muslim defending it? Sorry, but you are very likely not a Muslim. Second, I do have islamic adab. But Muslims are not required to remain silent in the face of mockery and insults. I said I would stop the insults and mockery if they would agree to do the same. Immediately thereafter, they slew more insults, then asking Muslima to post a pic of herself in veil to garner public sympathy. Sorry, if you were a Muslim with strong feelings for your faith, you would have protested then.
Muslima
Post 10/10/2014 10:08     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Ok, I had a good laugh, time-out now. Jummah Mubarak to you my sister in Islam. I think you and I both showed our humanity and went overboard in some of these responses, I did chuckle a lot but reality has set in now, I think it is best that we leave it alone at this point. It is clear to everyone reading this that the other PPs are not here to learn about Islam, they just want to create discord, mock and vilify as much as they can. This is no longer a discussion/debate, and this is exactly what they wanted. So, in the same of what we share, and for the sake of Allah, I am asking you to stop responding to insults/mockeries in this blessed day of Friday, which is the day Adam entered Heaven, the day he was expelled from it, the day the Quran was perfected and sealed, and it is also going to be the day of resurrection The best day on which the sun rises is Friday, let's not waste it on this futile discussion. Let's follow the way of our beloved Rassul today and take the high road, him who was faced with so much more than we could ever imagine but showed good manners and was courteous to all, even to those insulting him daily and throwing trash at him subhanaAllah. The great genius of our religion, and one of the great truths of our Prophet saw is that he came as a mercy to everyone. He created multi-ethnic and multi-cultural societies. He had all types of people: Persians, Romans, Africans, Arabs from different tribes and he brought them into a fraternity of mercy. He had Jews and Christians and he honored them, and spoke to them kindly. He was not a harsh person, he was a gentle person. He created an open society. Our religion honors people and treats them with dignity. May Allah preserve in us the tolerance of Islam. Jummah Mubarak my dear sister in Islam!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 09:58     Subject: Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
I wrote the previous post but was referring to 9:33
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 09:57     Subject: Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
PP, I am the so called Nasty Muslima. I do like what you posted. Despite the differences between our faiths, Muslims respect Christianity. We do think Christians will enter the gates of Heaven (along with Jews). Our Quran says Christians are not arrogant and, in fact, loving people. This merely validates what our Quran says about Christians.

But just as you pray for Muslims, we pray for you. Only God knows which belief system is closest to the truth. But I know both our intentions are good.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 09:50     Subject: Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PS, good luck in landing that PR job you're seeking! From your performance here, you'll kill at it. Literally.


Ahhh, but if you only knew my background. Well suited for the job of going up against islamophobes like you.

I dunno, you kinda suck at it here..


This isn't the United Nations. We're in rural, back woods, Islamophobe America, remember? Your toothless grins should be a constant reminder of that.

You're doing a terrible disservice to our religion.

Signed, a Muslim.


Sorry. I have a temper. It takes the patience of a saint/prophet to not lose one's temper when its clear they have an agenda to vilify Islam.

I've been reading this thread and shaking my head, getting more disgusted by the minute. Your complete lack of Islamic adab does more damage to our religion than the worst of the kuffar. Every single non-Muslim who reads this will leave with a worse impression of Islam than they had before they read your remarks.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 09:33     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
I engaged with Muslima on another thread and provoked hilarity on that thread by telling her I was praying for her as I received communion - she responded nicely, but others seemed to think I was a crazy lady.

Let me propose that everyone, whatever their religion or lack thereof, take the following to heart:

To respond to villainy with blessing, to answer persecution with patience, is contra-instinctual. It is to override our instinct toward self-preservation. So, to override a powerful instinct, some power greater than ourselves is required.

“What shall I render unto the Lord?” wrote St Silouan of Mt Athos. “I am a sorry wretch, as the Lord knows, but my pleasure is to humble my soul and love my neighbor, though he may have given me offense. At all times I beseech the Lord Who is merciful to grant that I may love my enemies; and by the grace of God,” he writes, “I have experienced what the love of God is, and what it is to love my neighbor…” Then, as precious as that grace is, St Silouan reflects on how quickly it can be lost: “But if I find fault with any man, or look on him with an unkind eye, my tears dry up, and my soul sinks into despondency.”

The power to bless when reviled, to endure when persecuted, to forgive when insulted, is God’s by nature, and ours by grace. That is the lofty, dignified, non-negotiable way of the Christian; it is the difficult but necessary way of love.

Honestly, can any other way bring healing to the world?

It is from an article written by Father John Oliver on the Antiochian Orthodox Christian website

http://www.antiochian.org/node/19200

Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 09:29     Subject: Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Muslima, I'm just an ignorant, barefoot, veiled Muslim gal. Can you explain to me what it means to be a very American woman? Does it mean she's wearing a baseball cap, her boyfriend's boxers, a nose ring, a few tattoos, and eating apple pie? ??


Appalling. Not as bad as your disgusting STD jab, but this is still shameful.


Be prepared, my dear. If you mock Muslims, I will do the same to you.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 09:27     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Nasty Little Muslim here. I am the one who is cautious about calling all hadith authentic, not Muslima.
If you're going to take me down, how come I'm still standing here?


Not the PP you're addressing, but once again, that bigoted appellation is your own invention. Nobody else called you that.

Anonymous wrote: If you are too cowardly to have an identity on DCUM, then you need to expect we may confuse one islamophobe with the other two.


You don't have a DCUM identity either....

Anonymous wrote: I don't know which sura/verse Muslima quoted but if its the one about a woman declaring her oath of allegiance to the Prophet, that is often used in support of the fact that Islam granted women political choices and their opinion counted. It may not show "voting" rights per se, but it shows women were granted the right to align themselves with whatever ruler they wanted. This verse shows they were politically relevant.

The sura I mentioned, ash shura, provides clear evidence that women had voting rights and the right of their opinion to be heard in all matters requiring a collective opinion. The Quranic language that addresses is plural, rather than female or only male. It means Allah is talking to everyone here. Given that Allah clearly had no issue delineating different rights between men and women, the reader would know that here, in this verse, Allah is including women.


You've been asked multiple times to cut and paste ithe ash shura passage here. Why have you still not done so?

Anonymous wrote:So its time to apologize to Muslima. Seems pretty clear. Islam did give voting rights to women.


Nothing is clear until you provided evidence. That's how it works. Repeating a proposition over and over doesn't make it true.


Sura Ash Shura isn't that long. Why couldn't you google it and read the whole sura for yourself? But its verse 38. Go find it.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 09:25     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I can tell who are the true Islamaphobes on this thread.

They are the ones who refer to the God Muslims worship as Allah when writing in English. Allsh is simply the Arabic word for God. Christian Arabs pray to Allah when using their native tongue. When someone refers to the God whom Muslims worship as Allah when writing in English, they are denyng that the God of Islam is the same monotheistic God worshipped by Jews and Christians and implying Allah is a different god (note the small g).

This is un-Islamic and, strangely, a disturbing practice shared by non-Muslim westerners who insist that Islam is a barbaric religion and strident Muslims who aim to show how special their religion is relative to the religions of the west, even as they are all rooted in the same semitic monotheism.


Wrong.Wrong.Wrong. Muslims are encouraged to use "Allah" just as they are encouraged to greet one another as "Salaam" instead of saying "Peace".

We worship the same God as Jews and Christians (except Christians today think Jesus IS God but we do not). We are always encouraged to use the Arabic word whenever possible. It is more complete, less likely to cause confusion. In fact, all our prayers are in Arabic too, every word of it.


Using a different word for God when speaking in English implies a different god. I don't know who is doing this encouraging, but it is a very negative development. This is quite different from saying Salaam for peace because salaam does not imply a different peace.

Dropping in a phrase in Arabic using Allah when speaking English is fine: Inshallah is a particularly useful one. This is like using a Latin phrase that has gained currency in English like "carpe diem."

Surely you see the irony that the only non-Muslim westerners who refer to the God Muslims worship as Allah are virulently anti-Islamic and seek to distance Islam from their own religion by implying the god Muslims worship is not the god Christians and Jews worship and implying Muslims are not monotheistic as they are. When Muslims, speaking in English, use Allah they are similarly implying their god is not God, the monotheistic entity widely worshipped by English speaking people. And they are encouraging the Islamaphobes by adopting their practice of using Allah instead of God.




I use the terms interchangeably, as do many. Another reason for using "Allah" is to let other DCUM readers, who may find it hard to follow who's saying what here, know which post is written by the Muslims and which posts are written by the islamophobes. And when it comes to islamophobes, yes, Muslims will want to distinguish themselves from nonMuslims if they are islamophobes.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 06:30     Subject: Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:Muslima, I'm just an ignorant, barefoot, veiled Muslim gal. Can you explain to me what it means to be a very American woman? Does it mean she's wearing a baseball cap, her boyfriend's boxers, a nose ring, a few tattoos, and eating apple pie? ??


Appalling. Not as bad as your disgusting STD jab, but this is still shameful.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 06:20     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Nasty Little Muslim here. I am the one who is cautious about calling all hadith authentic, not Muslima.
If you're going to take me down, how come I'm still standing here?


Not the PP you're addressing, but once again, that bigoted appellation is your own invention. Nobody else called you that.

Anonymous wrote: If you are too cowardly to have an identity on DCUM, then you need to expect we may confuse one islamophobe with the other two.


You don't have a DCUM identity either....

Anonymous wrote: I don't know which sura/verse Muslima quoted but if its the one about a woman declaring her oath of allegiance to the Prophet, that is often used in support of the fact that Islam granted women political choices and their opinion counted. It may not show "voting" rights per se, but it shows women were granted the right to align themselves with whatever ruler they wanted. This verse shows they were politically relevant.

The sura I mentioned, ash shura, provides clear evidence that women had voting rights and the right of their opinion to be heard in all matters requiring a collective opinion. The Quranic language that addresses is plural, rather than female or only male. It means Allah is talking to everyone here. Given that Allah clearly had no issue delineating different rights between men and women, the reader would know that here, in this verse, Allah is including women.


You've been asked multiple times to cut and paste ithe ash shura passage here. Why have you still not done so?

Anonymous wrote:So its time to apologize to Muslima. Seems pretty clear. Islam did give voting rights to women.


Nothing is clear until you provided evidence. That's how it works. Repeating a proposition over and over doesn't make it true.


Until you provide evidence. You still have not provided evidence. It's baffling why you keep repeating "I'm right" and expect us to accept that.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 06:13     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:
Post a pic of your last pap smear lab results showing your STD (HPV seems to be popular in western states) and maybe we Muslims will feel sorry for you too.


You are appalling.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 06:08     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:

Nasty Little Muslim here. I am the one who is cautious about calling all hadith authentic, not Muslima.
If you're going to take me down, how come I'm still standing here?


Not the PP you're addressing, but once again, that bigoted appellation is your own invention. Nobody else called you that.

Anonymous wrote: If you are too cowardly to have an identity on DCUM, then you need to expect we may confuse one islamophobe with the other two.


You don't have a DCUM identity either....

Anonymous wrote: I don't know which sura/verse Muslima quoted but if its the one about a woman declaring her oath of allegiance to the Prophet, that is often used in support of the fact that Islam granted women political choices and their opinion counted. It may not show "voting" rights per se, but it shows women were granted the right to align themselves with whatever ruler they wanted. This verse shows they were politically relevant.

The sura I mentioned, ash shura, provides clear evidence that women had voting rights and the right of their opinion to be heard in all matters requiring a collective opinion. The Quranic language that addresses is plural, rather than female or only male. It means Allah is talking to everyone here. Given that Allah clearly had no issue delineating different rights between men and women, the reader would know that here, in this verse, Allah is including women.


You've been asked multiple times to cut and paste ithe ash shura passage here. Why have you still not done so?

Anonymous wrote:So its time to apologize to Muslima. Seems pretty clear. Islam did give voting rights to women.


Nothing is clear until you provided evidence. That's how it works. Repeating a proposition over and over doesn't make it true.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2014 05:56     Subject: Re:Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes
Anonymous wrote:

Using a different word for God when speaking in English implies a different god. I don't know who is doing this encouraging, but it is a very negative development. This is quite different from saying Salaam for peace because salaam does not imply a different peace.

Dropping in a phrase in Arabic using Allah when speaking English is fine: Inshallah is a particularly useful one. This is like using a Latin phrase that has gained currency in English like "carpe diem."

Surely you see the irony that the only non-Muslim westerners who refer to the God Muslims worship as Allah are virulently anti-Islamic and seek to distance Islam from their own religion by implying the god Muslims worship is not the god Christians and Jews worship and implying Muslims are not monotheistic as they are. When Muslims, speaking in English, use Allah they are similarly implying their god is not God, the monotheistic entity widely worshipped by English speaking people. And they are encouraging the Islamaphobes by adopting their practice of using Allah instead of God.


Huh. Muslima called God "Allah" last night in her post of 10/09/2014 21:09. Does that make her virulently anti-Islam too?

Since you keep bringing it up, Jesus' message as accepted by Christians is very different from the Jesus in the Quran, the return of eye-for-eye is just one difference.