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percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.

Stronger in most ways EXCEPT academics.

Wrong again, TJ is stronger than ever now and less toxic too. Overall the change helped take TJ to a new level.

Agree, it's also getting old that the crazy C4TJ poster keeps trying to blame COVID learning loss on TJ's selection policies.

It's publicly available data published by the state of virginia.
Between the 100 point drop in PSAT scores, the huge drop on SOL advance pass rates, and the TJ Math department sending an email to the entire freshman class of math 4 students saying they got the wrost results in the history of TJ, even after lowered standards and a 10 point curve, it's pretty clear there was a tradeoff. Academic merit for more diversity.

Stop with the gaslighting already. This is completely #FAKENEWS!

The poster can't back up any of their claims. We've asked them to do so repeatedly but they are unable. They're trying to mislabel learning loss that happened everywhere after the pandemic as a TJ thing in order to paint a false narrative.

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percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.

Stronger in most ways EXCEPT academics.

Wrong again, TJ is stronger than ever now and less toxic too. Overall the change helped take TJ to a new level.

Agree, it's also getting old that the crazy C4TJ poster keeps trying to blame COVID learning loss on TJ's selection policies.

It's publicly available data published by the state of virginia.
Between the 100 point drop in PSAT scores, the huge drop on SOL advance pass rates, and the TJ Math department sending an email to the entire freshman class of math 4 students saying they got the wrost results in the history of TJ, even after lowered standards and a 10 point curve, it's pretty clear there was a tradeoff. Academic merit for more diversity.

Stop with the gaslighting already. This is completely #FAKENEWS!

The poster can't back up any of their claims. We've asked them to do so repeatedly but they are unable. They're trying to mislabel learning loss that happened everywhere after the pandemic as a TJ thing in order to paint a false narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.

Stronger in most ways EXCEPT academics.

Wrong again, TJ is stronger than ever now and less toxic too. Overall the change helped take TJ to a new level.

Agree, it's also getting old that the crazy C4TJ poster keeps trying to blame COVID learning loss on TJ's selection policies.

It's publicly available data published by the state of virginia.
Between the 100 point drop in PSAT scores, the huge drop on SOL advance pass rates, and the TJ Math department sending an email to the entire freshman class of math 4 students saying they got the wrost results in the history of TJ, even after lowered standards and a 10 point curve, it's pretty clear there was a tradeoff. Academic merit for more diversity.

Stop with the gaslighting already. This is completely #FAKENEWS!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.

Stronger in most ways EXCEPT academics.

Wrong again, TJ is stronger than ever now and less toxic too. Overall the change helped take TJ to a new level.

Agree, it's also getting old that the crazy C4TJ poster keeps trying to blame COVID learning loss on TJ's selection policies.

It's publicly available data published by the state of virginia.
Between the 100 point drop in PSAT scores, the huge drop on SOL advance pass rates, and the TJ Math department sending an email to the entire freshman class of math 4 students saying they got the wrost results in the history of TJ, even after lowered standards and a 10 point curve, it's pretty clear there was a tradeoff. Academic merit for more diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.

Stronger in most ways EXCEPT academics.

Wrong again, TJ is stronger than ever now and less toxic too. Overall the change helped take TJ to a new level.

Agree, it's also getting old that the crazy C4TJ poster keeps trying to blame COVID learning loss on TJ's selection policies.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.

Stronger in most ways EXCEPT academics.

Wrong again, TJ is stronger than ever now and less toxic too. Overall the change helped take TJ to a new level.

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percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

Yeah that data presentation you linked is terrible, as if someone was trying to make it terribly confusing on purpose.

A much simpler chart that would basically convey all the same information would be a 3-column of Race, # of Applicants, and Admit Rate.

White - 620 - 22.6%
Asian - 1458 - 21.6%
Two+ - 159 - 21.4%
Hispanic - 224 - 18.3%
Black - 166 - 11.4%

These numbers seem a bit different than what I'd also seen here a few weeks ago. I think Asian was 19%, White was 18% and Hispanic was 21%. Does someone have a link to a credible source?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.

Stronger in most ways EXCEPT academics.

Wrong again, TJ is stronger than ever now and less toxic too. Overall the change helped take TJ to a new level.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

Yeah that data presentation you linked is terrible, as if someone was trying to make it terribly confusing on purpose.

A much simpler chart that would basically convey all the same information would be a 3-column of Race, # of Applicants, and Admit Rate.

White - 620 - 22.6%
Asian - 1458 - 21.6%
Two+ - 159 - 21.4%
Hispanic - 224 - 18.3%
Black - 166 - 11.4%

These numbers seem a bit different than what I'd also seen here a few weeks ago. I think Asian was 19%, White was 18% and Hispanic was 21%. Does someone have a link to a credible source?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.

Stronger in most ways EXCEPT academics.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
percentage denied is proportional to applicants?

A lot of this has to do with who is applying.
Eligible asians apply at much higher rates than eligible whites.
While the current method doesn't do a great job of measuring merit, the essay exam does present a bit of a merit filter.
It just filters verbal ability more than math/science ability, which seems strange for a math/science school.
But, it is what it is.
I think you could keep the 1.5% plus all the permissible preferences for FARM and disabled kids and just add the test back in and get better results.
I mean most of the schools that were sending fewer than 10 before the change are sending more than 10 now so the 1.5% is what drives their quota of admits and with a test, at least you would get the smartest kids from those schools instead of some random selection from those schools. Then just have a quota of at least 20% farm students or something.
But picking random kids from the top 40% of fcps is going to turn TJ into a glorified charter school.

Test or essay, the biggest reason that the admitted students are sort of a random selection is because of who chooses to apply and who doesn't. How do you convince the "smartest kids" from every school, or even from most/some middle schools, to apply to TJ?

What makes you say the smartest kids at these schools are not applying?
There seem to be plenty of applicants from twain and glasgow.

Before the admissions change, the smartest kids from most middle schools in the region were not applying. Now some of the smartest kids from most middle schools are applying while others are not.

One of the explicit reasons for the admissions change was to increase interest broadly and it has succeeded. However, there is no way to ensure that the smartest kids from any middle school will choose to apply or to accept if offered admission, which some posters seem to be assuming. The appeal of a STEM magnet with tough classes, tough teachers, a tough commute (and possibly also tough students) will always be limited.

It's seem to have worked well, and all the serious indicators show that it's worked great. TJ is less toxic and stronger than ever now.