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Anonymous wrote:Ok, it’s official. I can’t stand Ellie. She is the most sanctimonious ahole. We see in this episode what a tremendous father figure Joel was to her - yet when he tells her he saved her because he loves her, she says she can’t forgive him for that (not letting them kill her to develop a vaccine). What a tool. She owes everything to Joel. She didn’t deserve him.

Yeah, hated her this episode. The way she was so cruel to Gail. Eating cake like an animal. Just wanted to punch her smug face. What an insufferable character

Be real: you've hated her the whole show (and posted about it here, at length, after every episode).

She wasn't "cruel to Gail". She was cruel to Joel, refusing to keep his "little secret" because it made her realize he'd also lied to her about what happened with the fireflies. It's a time-honored teen tradition, breaking away from your allegiance to your authority figure/parent. It's just that, in this setting, the weight of it, the opportunity for it to be catastrophic instead of just dramatic, is so much greater. But she wasn't doing it to hurt Gail. She wasn't doing it for/against Gail at all. She didn't seem to think what it would mean for Gail. She did it to @ Joel, publicly, because she'd figured out he'd lied about keeping her alive.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn Isaac is scary! I love that Jeffrey Wright reprised his role (same guy from the video game). His character is so hardcore and I think he did a great job.

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He is an excellent actor.

I agree, I love Jeffrey Wright! If you haven't seen American Fiction, watch it now. He is unbelievable in it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, it’s official. I can’t stand Ellie. She is the most sanctimonious ahole. We see in this episode what a tremendous father figure Joel was to her - yet when he tells her he saved her because he loves her, she says she can’t forgive him for that (not letting them kill her to develop a vaccine). What a tool. She owes everything to Joel. She didn’t deserve him.

Yeah, hated her this episode. The way she was so cruel to Gail. Eating cake like an animal. Just wanted to punch her smug face. What an insufferable character

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the Ellie character, but I did like her speech at the council meeting about how going after Abby isn't about revenge, but justice. Of course, it's also about revenge, but she made a good point.

However, I couldn't help but think about Abby's father being shot. By killing Joel, Abby was seeking justice for her father. So when does it stop?

That's the point. Who is the bad guy? It's clearly Joel. If they'd found a cure by killing one person, they could have saved thousands of people.

I think this is where casting matters so much. There are some people you can go either way on, but I personally find Pedro Pascal impossible to hate, so I'd never be convinced that Joel is the bad guy. Ellie, on the other hand, I couldn't care less about.

There are some other flawed characters that I have found it difficult to hate even when they do bad things (male or female) because you just fall in love with them. I'm trying to think of an actor I could have gone either way on, but here, if Joel was happy, I was happy, and screw the rest of humanity.

I am hating Kaitlyn Dever as Abby because I adore her. So while I hate what she did to Joel, obviously, I would have liked it a lot more if the actress had been someone else.

Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad Pedro Pascal came back! But episode six was so boring. Besides his great acting chops. Bella Ramsey is such an awkward, affected actor. I'm done with this show

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the Ellie character, but I did like her speech at the council meeting about how going after Abby isn't about revenge, but justice. Of course, it's also about revenge, but she made a good point.

However, I couldn't help but think about Abby's father being shot. By killing Joel, Abby was seeking justice for her father. So when does it stop?

That's the point. Who is the bad guy? It's clearly Joel. If they'd found a cure by killing one person, they could have saved thousands of people.

Am I the only person who knows it's morally wrong to kill someone without their consent (Ellie as a minor is unable to consent), even of their death would save thousands? I'm taking about killing for a cure, not killing to stop that one person (like Hitler).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the Ellie character, but I did like her speech at the council meeting about how going after Abby isn't about revenge, but justice. Of course, it's also about revenge, but she made a good point.

However, I couldn't help but think about Abby's father being shot. By killing Joel, Abby was seeking justice for her father. So when does it stop?

That's the point. Who is the bad guy? It's clearly Joel. If they'd found a cure by killing one person, they could have saved thousands of people.

Am I the only person who knows it's morally wrong to kill someone without their consent (Ellie as a minor is unable to consent), even of their death would save thousands? I'm taking about killing for a cure, not killing to stop that one person (like Hitler).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the Ellie character, but I did like her speech at the council meeting about how going after Abby isn't about revenge, but justice. Of course, it's also about revenge, but she made a good point.

However, I couldn't help but think about Abby's father being shot. By killing Joel, Abby was seeking justice for her father. So when does it stop?

That's the point. Who is the bad guy? It's clearly Joel. If they'd found a cure by killing one person, they could have saved thousands of people.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn Isaac is scary! I love that Jeffrey Wright reprised his role (same guy from the video game). His character is so hardcore and I think he did a great job.

+1
He is an excellent actor.

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Anonymous wrote:Whenever Dina and Ellie are onscreen together, i think it's such a stark contrast. The Dina actress is so charming and expressive and the Bella actress is so wooden and flat.

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When Dina had tears in her eyes while watching Ellie sing and play the guitar, I got teary too. She is really a good actress.

. I don’t know anything about the video game, but really liked the song and episode. The writers, etc. had to know this song/ scene was going to be a hit. So, wondering if the lyrics might have any foreshadowing, or just defining their romance. Again, I know nothing about the game, nor am I asking for spoilers.

No spoilers, but that scene was pulled directly from the game.

I know it's a computer render but, in that scene from the game, Dina is dead eyed and not even looking at Ellie most of the time. Ellie, with Ashley Johnson's voice, sells that scene in the game. Starts around minute 3:

It's the opposite in the tv show because of Isabela Merced's choices on paying Dina.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think they did a very good job explaining all the factions in Seattle and their motivations. I never played the game.

Also, what pregnancy test has a shelf life of 20+ years? I swear I don’t watch to criticize small details, but there’s been several times this season where you have to just go ok and not think about it too much. Their lightning fast trip from Wyoming to Seattle? And did they just stash their horse somewhere? They didn’t seem too worried about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the Ellie character, but I did like her speech at the council meeting about how going after Abby isn't about revenge, but justice. Of course, it's also about revenge, but she made a good point.

However, I couldn't help but think about Abby's father being shot. By killing Joel, Abby was seeking justice for her father. So when does it stop?

That's the point. Who is the bad guy? It's clearly Joel. If they'd found a cure by killing one person, they could have saved thousands of people.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, it just seems to be handled differently than the men’s romance. Not sure if it’s the age of the characters, the writing or the acting but not as well done.

Anonymous wrote:Ok, it’s official. I can’t stand Ellie. She is the most sanctimonious ahole. We see in this episode what a tremendous father figure Joel was to her - yet when he tells her he saved her because he loves her, she says she can’t forgive him for that (not letting them kill her to develop a vaccine). What a tool. She owes everything to Joel. She didn’t deserve him.