Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

But are they really all day? Do you have to prep for and lead these meetings, or just sit in them? Can you multitask during them?

These are the distinctions that I think makes teaching quite different. Teaching is the equivalent of leading 6+ hours of meetings 5 days a week.

Oh please, I work sixty hour work weeks to prepare for my zoom meetings. That's right, Saturdays and Sundays, not all day, but my evenings during the week are late and I can't remember the last time I didn't put in fifty hours to be at the top of my game. The competition is harsh in my industry, but I love what I do. I balance my family life and lack of sleep for the rewards of my work. I am so incredibly sick of hearing about these poor f g teachers like they are matrys or something. They chose their careers and clearly have the education to move to another career if their so unhappy with the work hours, as I could do the same. If you don't like your work move on, I for one am not cheering on teachers when I have to provide additional resources to my DC just to have them learn basic math and grammar. Why do I have to do this? The teachers constantly complain about how difficult it is to fit everything in on the curriculum and freely suggest we provide the extra help if we feel it is needed. JFC I would be fired if I talked about my job this way. If you don't like teaching, quit, I don't want you in a classroom with my children and any other child if you do not enjoy your job.

I'm giving you a Nancy Peolsi side clap.....

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

It's not the only job where that is true. I am a Fed at that is true.

Fair enough.

Teacher here, and curious…
What sort of work do you do at home? What “work before you get to work” does your job require? We know that in the context of teaching that is grading (so work can be returned/discussed) and planning lessons. That’s my Sunday-Thursday nights.


No snark intended at all. I’m just curious what this looks like for other professions.

I'm a fed responsible for multiple written products every week. I end up having to do these at home in the evenings, every night, because it's the only time I can concentrate without constant interruptions. In addition to regular meetings, there are urgent meetings that pop up, preparation for higher levels' urgent meetings that pop up, constant deliberation and strategizing about the best bureaucratic maneuvering to accomplish our tasks. I am a supervisor so also responsible for teaching and training a team, ensuring they do their work and that the work is distributed fairly, managing leave requests and any personal issues. So I use my nights and weekends to concentrate on writing. It's exhausting but I like my coworkers and I could not handle working with kids.

- GS-15 ($180k salary)

Do you know there are SPED teachers with their masters making barely making 80,000...problematic.

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

I consider nurses and teachers to be very similar jobs...their compassion and empathy allows them to be gaslighted and taken advantage of because the care-yes they too are overworked.

Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

How do nurses' unions compare with teachers' unions? How do retention and turnover compare between these two professions?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

It's not the only job where that is true. I am a Fed at that is true.

Fair enough.

Teacher here, and curious…
What sort of work do you do at home? What “work before you get to work” does your job require? We know that in the context of teaching that is grading (so work can be returned/discussed) and planning lessons. That’s my Sunday-Thursday nights.

No snark intended at all. I’m just curious what this looks like for other professions.

I'm a computer and network administrator for NASA. I run and maintain a mid-size network supporting the flight control software for a mission due to launch in 3 years. I help design, purchase the equipment, configure it, and maintain it so that my team of software programmers, hardware engineers, electronics engineers and integration and testing specialists can put together one of the major components of a multi-billion dollar satellite that will service satellites currently in orbit.

What do I do? I often have to do installations, maintenance and updates on systems outside of regular business hours because if I do this work during regular business hours, it means that several dozen people are sitting around idle because the critical systems they need to do their work, is down. During the business days, I am responsible for the IT security for over 80 systems. I have to ensure that these systems are not susceptible to external threats, including ones that have already been identified are exploiting and compromising systems out on the Internet. I also supervise several other system administrators in their work. I am responsible for ensuring that our systems are backed up and recover files that are somehow lost in the regular course of business. I also sit in on various meetings from our agency, our team and the rest of the flight mission to help coordinate our components of the mission with other teams and ensure that we are meeting government regulations. As the team design and apply new updates, if they need any additional hardware, software, firmware for the systems, it is my job to figure out what h/w, s/w will meet their needs, price it, procure it through the terrible government procurement system, acquire it, install it physically, configure it on-line and get it up and running and help to integrate it in with the other software and systems that we use. And I have to write security system documentation and the manuals for everything that we use so that other people can assist with maintaining all of this and to ensure that we comply with federal IT security regulations. My job takes about 60 hours per week, and all of that is active work with computers, people and systems. I have over 30 years of engineering, computer and network experience. I make more than most other people in my role in federal government contracting, but I make significantly less than my peers who work in the private sector.

The average for people doing my job is in the $100K-$140K range. I make $170K. My peers in private sector make $150-400K.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

It's not the only job where that is true. I am a Fed at that is true.

Fair enough.

Teacher here, and curious…
What sort of work do you do at home? What “work before you get to work” does your job require? We know that in the context of teaching that is grading (so work can be returned/discussed) and planning lessons. That’s my Sunday-Thursday nights.

No snark intended at all. I’m just curious what this looks like for other professions.

I'm a fed responsible for multiple written products every week. I end up having to do these at home in the evenings, every night, because it's the only time I can concentrate without constant interruptions. In addition to regular meetings, there are urgent meetings that pop up, preparation for higher levels' urgent meetings that pop up, constant deliberation and strategizing about the best bureaucratic maneuvering to accomplish our tasks. I am a supervisor so also responsible for teaching and training a team, ensuring they do their work and that the work is distributed fairly, managing leave requests and any personal issues. So I use my nights and weekends to concentrate on writing. It's exhausting but I like my coworkers and I could not handle working with kids.

- GS-15 ($180k salary)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

But are they really all day? Do you have to prep for and lead these meetings, or just sit in them? Can you multitask during them?

These are the distinctions that I think makes teaching quite different. Teaching is the equivalent of leading 6+ hours of meetings 5 days a week.

Oh please, I work sixty hour work weeks to prepare for my zoom meetings. That's right, Saturdays and Sundays, not all day, but my evenings during the week are late and I can't remember the last time I didn't put in fifty hours to be at the top of my game. The competition is harsh in my industry, but I love what I do. I balance my family life and lack of sleep for the rewards of my work. I am so incredibly sick of hearing about these poor f g teachers like they are matrys or something. They chose their careers and clearly have the education to move to another career if their so unhappy with the work hours, as I could do the same. If you don't like your work move on, I for one am not cheering on teachers when I have to provide additional resources to my DC just to have them learn basic math and grammar. Why do I have to do this? The teachers constantly complain about how difficult it is to fit everything in on the curriculum and freely suggest we provide the extra help if we feel it is needed. JFC I would be fired if I talked about my job this way. If you don't like teaching, quit, I don't want you in a classroom with my children and any other child if you do not enjoy your job.

I work 60+ weeks, as well. I suspect you get paid more than $70K for your efforts? Before you throw “summers off” at me, that amounts to 4 unpaid weeks at my job.

Your hostility is really telling. I get it. Your job is hard. I can respect that. Is it so hard to accept that a teacher’s job is hard, too? Why the anger toward people you don’t know?

I’m currently covering for 2 teachers now who quit mid-year. My own child’s teacher quit last month. You say teachers should leave if they are overworked and unhappy. We are! In droves!

We can continue to disrespect teachers or we can, as a society, decide to support their work. I see which side you are on. Ouch.

their s/b they're

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

But are they really all day? Do you have to prep for and lead these meetings, or just sit in them? Can you multitask during them?

These are the distinctions that I think makes teaching quite different. Teaching is the equivalent of leading 6+ hours of meetings 5 days a week.

Oh please, I work sixty hour work weeks to prepare for my zoom meetings. That's right, Saturdays and Sundays, not all day, but my evenings during the week are late and I can't remember the last time I didn't put in fifty hours to be at the top of my game. The competition is harsh in my industry, but I love what I do. I balance my family life and lack of sleep for the rewards of my work. I am so incredibly sick of hearing about these poor f g teachers like they are matrys or something. They chose their careers and clearly have the education to move to another career if their so unhappy with the work hours, as I could do the same. If you don't like your work move on, I for one am not cheering on teachers when I have to provide additional resources to my DC just to have them learn basic math and grammar. Why do I have to do this? The teachers constantly complain about how difficult it is to fit everything in on the curriculum and freely suggest we provide the extra help if we feel it is needed. JFC I would be fired if I talked about my job this way. If you don't like teaching, quit, I don't want you in a classroom with my children and any other child if you do not enjoy your job.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

But are they really all day? Do you have to prep for and lead these meetings, or just sit in them? Can you multitask during them?

These are the distinctions that I think makes teaching quite different. Teaching is the equivalent of leading 6+ hours of meetings 5 days a week.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

I feel like most people in meetings all day do their work during the meetings or do meal prep/ chores. At least that’s what many post on this site.

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Can people stop promoting random videos please? If you have a point to make, write it up.

Nurses are overworked.

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

It's not the only job where that is true. I am a Fed at that is true.

Fair enough.

Teacher here, and curious…
What sort of work do you do at home? What “work before you get to work” does your job require? We know that in the context of teaching that is grading (so work can be returned/discussed) and planning lessons. That’s my Sunday-Thursday nights.

No snark intended at all. I’m just curious what this looks like for other professions.