Anonymous
02/22/2022 06:43
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.
And the fact that so many ballots of Democrats in El Paso were rejected and so few Republican ones were just makes no difference to you. That’s a pretty big irregularity - some would say fraud perpetrated by the GOP - that you just want to wave away. Sounds like you support the GOP cheating apparatus.
An intelligent person might consider the possibility that more democrat ballots actually had issues than gop ballots.
Anonymous
02/22/2022 06:27
Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:[google]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Oh, FFS. It is not "voter suppression."
First off, this guy makes some big assumptions in his thread.
Secondly.... note this tweet:
"The big issue is a new provision requiring the voter to put a driver's license # or last 4 of their SSN on both the application and on the returned ballot. That has to match the # provided when they registered. Most people don't remember which # they used when registering."
And, then this one:
"Voters are notified when their application or ballot is rejected, but that requires more work. "Voters are able to either come in person and cure their ballot or resubmit the ballot with the needed information," Wise said."
So,
1. All voters are held to the same standard.
2. There are provisions in place for the voter to correct information.
So in your world, one must have a social security number and/or a drivers license in order to vote by mail. How is that constitutional to deny some but not others a means to the franchise?
If you are a US citizen, you absolutely should have a SSN. For the last 35+ years they have been assigned at birth. If you don't have one, get one.
Read the Twitter thread on this strand. These people have a SSN.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 20:52
Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
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If you are a US citizen, you absolutely should have a SSN. For the last 35+ years they have been assigned at birth. If you don't have one, get one.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Oh, FFS. It is not "voter suppression."
First off, this guy makes some big assumptions in his thread.
Secondly.... note this tweet:
"The big issue is a new provision requiring the voter to put a driver's license # or last 4 of their SSN on both the application and on the returned ballot. That has to match the # provided when they registered. Most people don't remember which # they used when registering."
And, then this one:
"Voters are notified when their application or ballot is rejected, but that requires more work. "Voters are able to either come in person and cure their ballot or resubmit the ballot with the needed information," Wise said."
So,
1. All voters are held to the same standard.
2. There are provisions in place for the voter to correct information.
So in your world, one must have a social security number and/or a drivers license in order to vote by mail. How is that constitutional to deny some but not others a means to the franchise?
If you are a US citizen, you absolutely should have a SSN. For the last 35+ years they have been assigned at birth. If you don't have one, get one.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 19:35
Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Oh, FFS. It is not "voter suppression."
First off, this guy makes some big assumptions in his thread.
Secondly.... note this tweet:
"The big issue is a new provision requiring the voter to put a driver's license # or last 4 of their SSN on both the application and on the returned ballot. That has to match the # provided when they registered. Most people don't remember which # they used when registering."
And, then this one:
"Voters are notified when their application or ballot is rejected, but that requires more work. "Voters are able to either come in person and cure their ballot or resubmit the ballot with the needed information," Wise said."
So,
1. All voters are held to the same standard.
2. There are provisions in place for the voter to correct information.
So in your world, one must have a social security number and/or a drivers license in order to vote by mail. How is that constitutional to deny some but not others a means to the franchise?
Anonymous
02/21/2022 19:33
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.
The only fraud in the 2020 election was multiple ballots cast by GOP voters in PA and FL. NO OTHER FRAUD.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 19:32
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
Clearly you know nothing of the integrity associated with mail in ballot to make such a stupid comment. You realize that no only are they safer, but they provide a double-protected paper trail.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:47
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.
That’s not what any of them are doing. They are trying to make it harder for Black and Brown and young people to vote by mail or to vote early for partisan advantage. No other reason. They don’t want elections to reflect the will of the majority of the people.
How in the hell can you make this claim when ALL VOTERS are held to the same standard? Are you somehow saying that black and brown people are not as smart or organized or resourceful as others?
1. It’s stupid to think that all voters have the same resources and circumstances and assistance to comply with an unnecessary bureaucratic maze that is designed intentionally to erect barriers to certain types of voters because they are likely to vote Democratic.
2. Republican state and local officials have spent the past year promising that they will not apply election laws and standards equally. They have all said that they will challenge Democratic voters with whatever bullshit they have to make up.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:10
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.
That’s not what any of them are doing. They are trying to make it harder for Black and Brown and young people to vote by mail or to vote early for partisan advantage. No other reason. They don’t want elections to reflect the will of the majority of the people.
How in the hell can you make this claim when ALL VOTERS are held to the same standard? Are you somehow saying that black and brown people are not as smart or organized or resourceful as others?
Anonymous
02/21/2022 11:10
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.
That’s not what any of them are doing. They are trying to make it harder for Black and Brown and young people to vote by mail or to vote early for partisan advantage. No other reason. They don’t want elections to reflect the will of the majority of the people.
+1
I’ve said it at least once in this thread: the Texas AG has already said that GOP voter suppression in that state has prevented the state from electing Democrats, that the state is already blue. The GOP is thwarting the will of the people to stay in power.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 09:30
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.
That’s not what any of them are doing. They are trying to make it harder for Black and Brown and young people to vote by mail or to vote early for partisan advantage. No other reason. They don’t want elections to reflect the will of the majority of the people.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 08:58
Subject: Re:I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:
Oh, FFS. It is not "voter suppression."
First off, this guy makes some big assumptions in his thread.
Secondly.... note this tweet:
"The big issue is a new provision requiring the voter to put a driver's license # or last 4 of their SSN on both the application and on the returned ballot. That has to match the # provided when they registered. Most people don't remember which # they used when registering."
And, then this one:
"Voters are notified when their application or ballot is rejected, but that requires more work. "Voters are able to either come in person and cure their ballot or resubmit the ballot with the needed information," Wise said."
So,
1. All voters are held to the same standard.
2. There are provisions in place for the voter to correct information.
Smarter people than you, people that I trust more than some anonymous rando, have said it is.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 08:57
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.
And the fact that so many ballots of Democrats in El Paso were rejected and so few Republican ones were just makes no difference to you. That’s a pretty big irregularity - some would say fraud perpetrated by the GOP - that you just want to wave away. Sounds like you support the GOP cheating apparatus.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 08:53
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 08:51
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.
No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 08:26
Subject: I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?
Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.
I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.