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Anonymous wrote:That’s a looooong rehashing of all your arguments. It comes down to the fact that the southies killed plans to build a new neighborhood hs at the cc site. Southies also killed discussions to build it on the Kenmore site.

Good to remember when southies accuse APS of not investing and not relieving overcrowding in the south. And when southies accuse northies of not caring. Our kids are in super sized WL but you are your own worst enemies.

Haha. You can thank your friends right across Route 50 in Ashton Heights and Lyon Park for fighting against a comprehensive HS at the CC site. They couldn’t accept being zoned away from WL.

https://www.arlnow.com/2018/04/26/peters-take-keep-an-open-mind-on-career-center-high-school/

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Anonymous wrote:That’s a looooong rehashing of all your arguments. It comes down to the fact that the southies killed plans to build a new neighborhood hs at the cc site. Southies also killed discussions to build it on the Kenmore site.

Good to remember when southies accuse APS of not investing and not relieving overcrowding in the south. And when southies accuse northies of not caring. Our kids are in super sized WL but you are your own worst enemies.

Oh please.
You wouldn't take your kids out of WL no matter how big it is. That's why it's "super-sized." You all don't WANT another high school. Especially one that would help the south.
Just stuff it.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s a looooong rehashing of all your arguments. It comes down to the fact that the southies killed plans to build a new neighborhood hs at the cc site. Southies also killed discussions to build it on the Kenmore site.

Good to remember when southies accuse APS of not investing and not relieving overcrowding in the south. And when southies accuse northies of not caring. Our kids are in super sized WL but you are your own worst enemies.

Haha. You can thank your friends right across Route 50 in Ashton Heights and Lyon Park for fighting against a comprehensive HS at the CC site. They couldn’t accept being zoned away from WL.

https://www.arlnow.com/2018/04/26/peters-take-keep-an-open-mind-on-career-center-high-school/

and what does this 2018 column prove exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:That’s a looooong rehashing of all your arguments. It comes down to the fact that the southies killed plans to build a new neighborhood hs at the cc site. Southies also killed discussions to build it on the Kenmore site.

Good to remember when southies accuse APS of not investing and not relieving overcrowding in the south. And when southies accuse northies of not caring. Our kids are in super sized WL but you are your own worst enemies.

Haha. You can thank your friends right across Route 50 in Ashton Heights and Lyon Park for fighting against a comprehensive HS at the CC site. They couldn’t accept being zoned away from WL.

https://www.arlnow.com/2018/04/26/peters-take-keep-an-open-mind-on-career-center-high-school/

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Anonymous wrote:That’s a looooong rehashing of all your arguments. It comes down to the fact that the southies killed plans to build a new neighborhood hs at the cc site. Southies also killed discussions to build it on the Kenmore site.

Good to remember when southies accuse APS of not investing and not relieving overcrowding in the south. And when southies accuse northies of not caring. Our kids are in super sized WL but you are your own worst enemies.

Haha. You can thank your friends right across Route 50 in Ashton Heights and Lyon Park for fighting against a comprehensive HS at the CC site. They couldn’t accept being zoned away from WL.

https://www.arlnow.com/2018/04/26/peters-take-keep-an-open-mind-on-career-center-high-school/

Anonymous wrote:You all can’t speak for everyone. I live in South Arlington. Definitely voted yes to the bond for a fourth high school. If you didn’t, that was a huge mistake. We need new schools. You can always go back and add on to the existing ones. I also don’t think there’s this north/south thing. What the hell are you all talking about??

Anonymous wrote:That’s a looooong rehashing of all your arguments. It comes down to the fact that the southies killed plans to build a new neighborhood hs at the cc site. Southies also killed discussions to build it on the Kenmore site.

Good to remember when southies accuse APS of not investing and not relieving overcrowding in the south. And when southies accuse northies of not caring. Our kids are in super sized WL but you are your own worst enemies.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

I've been around since about 2009. So just how far back do you have to go to prove your point?
And, actually, yes - I am unaware the south opposed a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site because they actually did NOT oppose a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site. There was division regarding the "how" and the on-site amenities; but they did not oppose a comprehensive high school. The SB squelched that original plan because of COST. And then SB decided we don't need a 4th comprehensive high school.

This is also how I remember it.

Right, the cost to build an “equitable” high school was, of course, prohibitive.

The Southies would not "accept" a 4th neighborhood HS at the CC unless it had a very long list of amenities to make it "equitable." Those included a swimming pool, track, full size gymnasium and auxiliary gymnasium, multi-sport rectangular field with bleachers, at least one additional dedicated field on-site or within walking distance, theater, and library/media center, etc.

They said if we don't get all these amenities, which were very obviously not feasible at the CC site, then don't build a neighborhood HS.

And APS caved to them.

DP. You have a bad memory. That wasn't just people from South Arlington; that was the general consensus.

Nope, sorry. No one but the Southies were pushing this. They had quite the lobbying effort going. I remember it well.

This is not at all how it went down. The whole conversation was tied up with the expansion of the career center discussion. APS said it wanted a greater number of new seats at the sitthan they originally said. They said some would be for the expansion of Arlington Tech, but a huge number were basically uncommitted. APS refused to say whether these would end up being neighborhood seats or choice seats. They clearly wanted to keep their options open.

The 4th high school debate first got going a few years before, when the VHC/Kenmore site were to top options. Doing the split between expanding Arlington Tech and adding seats at W-L was a compromise to avoid building the 4th HS. So when APS started making noises that a lot of these seats at the CC site might be neighborhood, a lot of southwest quite reasonably said fine, but if you want to build neighborhood seats, own up to it and build them to the same standard you’ve already established for the other neighborhood schools.

Rather than just commit to keeping all the new seats as choice seats, APS got weirdly inflexible (Reid Goldstein was involved and that explains a lot of it). APS said it wouldn’t weigh in on choice vs. Neighborhood, but it would price out what it took to build it to the same standard as Wakefield or Yorktown. That came in way over budget.

Ultimately it doesn’t matter because even when they stripped out the stuff like the pool and secondary field they still didn’t have the money for the original concept. The original concept failed because the demo costs on the career center were too high, as was the cost of underground parking. They also couldn’t get the phasing right with respect to when or if they’d knock down the building containing the Montessori program. The whole thing was a hash and APS admitted they had to go back to the drawing board. That was around late 2019/early 2020.

When APS came back to process of figuring out what to do the first thing they admitted was their plan was to build a choice school.

So complain all you want about southies; we just wanted what everyone else going to a neighborhood already had (including southies who were currently zoned for attending Wakefield). But in the end that whole conversation wasn’t what did the initial plan in. It was much more mundane factors regarding the budget, the massing, and the phasing.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

I've been around since about 2009. So just how far back do you have to go to prove your point?
And, actually, yes - I am unaware the south opposed a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site because they actually did NOT oppose a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site. There was division regarding the "how" and the on-site amenities; but they did not oppose a comprehensive high school. The SB squelched that original plan because of COST. And then SB decided we don't need a 4th comprehensive high school.

This is also how I remember it.

Right, the cost to build an “equitable” high school was, of course, prohibitive.

The Southies would not "accept" a 4th neighborhood HS at the CC unless it had a very long list of amenities to make it "equitable." Those included a swimming pool, track, full size gymnasium and auxiliary gymnasium, multi-sport rectangular field with bleachers, at least one additional dedicated field on-site or within walking distance, theater, and library/media center, etc.

They said if we don't get all these amenities, which were very obviously not feasible at the CC site, then don't build a neighborhood HS.

And APS caved to them.

No, not at all. We saw design plans that were for a full 4th High School at the site, (including all of what you call “amenities” - in reality; requirements to have the full high school designation instead of “program”). It was decided, that there was no money for it. The cost was the end of those plans.

Yes it was really a smart strategy:
1. Make sky high demands for amenities that you simply must have
2. Insist APS give you the amenities because Equity
3. Tell them if you don't give us a high school with all our required amenities, we won't stand for it (there was even a protest outside of a board meeting!)
4. Oh you can't afford to build a high school with all our required amenities? And the plans will be shelved? Not our decision!

Anonymous wrote:You all can’t speak for everyone. I live in South Arlington. Definitely voted yes to the bond for a fourth high school. If you didn’t, that was a huge mistake. We need new schools. You can always go back and add on to the existing ones. I also don’t think there’s this north/south thing. What the hell are you all talking about??

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

I've been around since about 2009. So just how far back do you have to go to prove your point?
And, actually, yes - I am unaware the south opposed a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site because they actually did NOT oppose a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site. There was division regarding the "how" and the on-site amenities; but they did not oppose a comprehensive high school. The SB squelched that original plan because of COST. And then SB decided we don't need a 4th comprehensive high school.

This is also how I remember it.

Right, the cost to build an “equitable” high school was, of course, prohibitive.

The Southies would not "accept" a 4th neighborhood HS at the CC unless it had a very long list of amenities to make it "equitable." Those included a swimming pool, track, full size gymnasium and auxiliary gymnasium, multi-sport rectangular field with bleachers, at least one additional dedicated field on-site or within walking distance, theater, and library/media center, etc.

They said if we don't get all these amenities, which were very obviously not feasible at the CC site, then don't build a neighborhood HS.

And APS caved to them.

DP. You have a bad memory. That wasn't just people from South Arlington; that was the general consensus.

Nope, sorry. No one but the Southies were pushing this. They had quite the lobbying effort going. I remember it well.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

I've been around since about 2009. So just how far back do you have to go to prove your point?
And, actually, yes - I am unaware the south opposed a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site because they actually did NOT oppose a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site. There was division regarding the "how" and the on-site amenities; but they did not oppose a comprehensive high school. The SB squelched that original plan because of COST. And then SB decided we don't need a 4th comprehensive high school.

This is also how I remember it.

so now the southies won't own up to killing the 4th HS

you got what you wanted, just own it

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread, since it looks we’ve locked this guy in for another four years.

Or are you bumping because you don't like the Nottingham proposal and it's time to rally around this flag again?

I was thinking more of the persistent COVID learning loss and no plan for addressing it, the “inclusive” yet clearly unconstitutional religious holiday policy, the tendency to follow fads, and the singular focus on growing the Syphax job machine to the detriment of keeping qualified teachers in the classrooms. But sure, let’s throw in garbage planning too.

Duran is doing a bang up job at creating an equitably bad situation across the county. Goal achieved.

I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like.

When the 22207s rightly observe that the low income 22204s generally do not want their kids bussed across the county where they can’t pick them up in an emergency, you accuse the 22207s of being privileged and cynical and trying to protect their “bubble.”

There are plenty of households in 22204 that are capable of communicating their own needs. More than a small number are well educated and well off. They can speak for themselves about what they want and I will support them. But I’m not carrying their water for them.

Uh, no. I never did that.

As to your second comment, yes, there are a lot of capable 22204 people. And you know what? they HAVE spoken out MANY times. But guess what happens. The 22204s (and 02's and 06's) get dismissed. They are patronized by staff and board members in conversations. Their "asks" are outweighed by more obnoxious voices or special interests.

So, again, I'll believe the situation is equitably bad everywhere when the 22207s and the like save their strong pushbacks for the bigger issues that matter to the 22204s and the like....and join the southies in their advocacy.

What issues matter to the 22204s that are getting drowned out?

De-segregating the schools
Making boundaries that don't increase already high FRM rates while lowering already low FRM rates
Unequal enrichment and other opportunities and resources - because PTAs can't afford what others farther north provide for their schools
Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded
There's the whole Career Center/comprehensive high school with equal amenities mess
Achievement levels of students
Is that enough to get started?

I’m in the north. We were severely overcrowded way before you were. No one in the south or anywhere else cared about the overcrowding in our schools. Not APS. Not the Board.

+1. The entitlement from these people astounds me. They must think we are all bored housewives who have nothing better to do and have all the time in the world to take up the mantle for every group in Arlington. Otherwise we are privileged snobs.

I work, folks. If I have to give up what little leisure time I have to lobby on behalf of my kids, you can too.

Right. The South and Central parents didn't support the North back when we were really really overcrowded, but now we are supposed to spend our spare time lobbying to support initiatives to decrease overcrowding in the South, and we are bad people if we don't.

It's all the more rich when it's the white upper income people in the south who are saying it.

How did the south not support the north when they were overcrowded? and when was that, exactly? I don't recall y'all northerners volunteering to bus your kids down to less crowded southern schools.

I recall the south supporting the program moves to make room for the very crowded NE quadrant.
The south has advocated for a 4th comprehensive high school to alleviate the crowded high schools everywhere.

I think you're reading into this too far. I was responding to the southie who said S. Arlington cares about "Crowding - which only brings out the north when it's their schools that are crowded"

I merely pointed out that the Southies didn't care about overcrowding in the north back in the years when the North was overcrowded and the South was not. So what exactly do they now expect the Northies to do for them?

Also I am talking waaaay back before the program moves. If that's as far back as you go, you haven't been paying attention for very long.

Are you completely unaware that the south OPPOSED a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site?

I've been around since about 2009. So just how far back do you have to go to prove your point?
And, actually, yes - I am unaware the south opposed a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site because they actually did NOT oppose a fourth comprehensive high school at the CC site. There was division regarding the "how" and the on-site amenities; but they did not oppose a comprehensive high school. The SB squelched that original plan because of COST. And then SB decided we don't need a 4th comprehensive high school.

This is also how I remember it.

Right, the cost to build an “equitable” high school was, of course, prohibitive.

The Southies would not "accept" a 4th neighborhood HS at the CC unless it had a very long list of amenities to make it "equitable." Those included a swimming pool, track, full size gymnasium and auxiliary gymnasium, multi-sport rectangular field with bleachers, at least one additional dedicated field on-site or within walking distance, theater, and library/media center, etc.

They said if we don't get all these amenities, which were very obviously not feasible at the CC site, then don't build a neighborhood HS.

And APS caved to them.

DP. You have a bad memory. That wasn't just people from South Arlington; that was the general consensus.

Nope, sorry. No one but the Southies were pushing this. They had quite the lobbying effort going. I remember it well.

Anonymous wrote:That’s a looooong rehashing of all your arguments. It comes down to the fact that the southies killed plans to build a new neighborhood hs at the cc site. Southies also killed discussions to build it on the Kenmore site.

Good to remember when southies accuse APS of not investing and not relieving overcrowding in the south. And when southies accuse northies of not caring. Our kids are in super sized WL but you are your own worst enemies.