Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's comical- I think it's really sad. This is the kind of thing that leads up to a major breakdown of tragic suicide or something else like that. I feel sorry for Jen. If things were going well, she wouldn't be stooping to this level in all of these areas: the push for a sex course, the cruise, the dinner at her house that she claims she's "100% here for" but she's probably secretly dreading and will get all of her friends and family to show up for to help buffer between her and all of the strangers who bought into this garbage. There needs to be a major audit of Legacy Collective. But someone needs to come alongside Jen and help her actually recover and heal and step out of the crazy for a minute.

It is sad. More like pathetic than deserving of sympathy. Jen, a highly educated person and self-identified leader is purposefully hawking unethical mental health services. If finances were the main driver of this lack of morals, I’d rather move back in with my parents than scam people. If this is just narcissistic greed, then she still deserves all the criticism.

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I do have to point out though that keeping it below 10% for a nonprofit is hard, esp if you employ fundraisers. The standard is more like 20%. I don’t think legacy collective employs fundraisers and since it’s a giving circle I would expect their admin/fundraising to be much lower, but 10% is almost impossible for a lot of nonprofits who are actually doing work and employing people to help raise funds to do the work.

Fair enough.

But as a giving circle, their admin funds should be lower than average, not higher. And there's a lot of duplication of resources because they continue to use Pure Charity to manage fundraising, giving accounts and receipting.

When Legacy Collective was originally set up, it was a donor advised fund, so within that framework I understood whey they hired Pure Charity to adminster things. But when LC changed to a 501(c)(3) in early 2021, they should have severed ties with Pure and utilized their own paid administrative staff to manage this side of things. That's what 501(c)(3) does! Instead, they are paying too much in overhead expenses, duplicating many costs they could streamline in house. If this were prioritized, they could achieve A&M costs of 15-16%, putting more $$$ in the hands of their charities.

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Someone really needs to do a forensic audit of this charity brokership. The charities Form 990’s reported admin costs would be very interesting to see.

Since inception (2015), Legacy Collective's administrative & marketing costs have been 30% of funds collected. In 2021, Admin + Marketing were 28% of funds collected.

That means, for every $250 donation made, ~ $175 goes to the charity (grant) and $75 to admin & marketing.
It's all in the annual report.

Almost any charity has admin & marketing costs, but I personally avoid charities with admin fees that are bloated like this. There's plenty of charities that keep these expenses under 10%.

I do have to point out though that keeping it below 10% for a nonprofit is hard, esp if you employ fundraisers. The standard is more like 20%. I don’t think legacy collective employs fundraisers and since it’s a giving circle I would expect their admin/fundraising to be much lower, but 10% is almost impossible for a lot of nonprofits who are actually doing work and employing people to help raise funds to do the work.

Anonymous wrote:
Someone really needs to do a forensic audit of this charity brokership. The charities Form 990’s reported admin costs would be very interesting to see.

Since inception (2015), Legacy Collective's administrative & marketing costs have been 30% of funds collected. In 2021, Admin + Marketing were 28% of funds collected.

That means, for every $250 donation made, ~ $175 goes to the charity (grant) and $75 to admin & marketing.
It's all in the annual report.

Almost any charity has admin & marketing costs, but I personally avoid charities with admin fees that are bloated like this. There's plenty of charities that keep these expenses under 10%.

The majority of all comments are critical of better help but the next highest are idiots fangirling over her sweatshirt and....jen engages in those while ignoring all the others.

She’s shilling Better Health therapy again. First comments asking if she had actually used them or a paid advertisement?. Another talking about company issues and how there’s a slew of posts the last few weeks raving about them using the same words. Wonder how long before they’re deleted.

Waiting for someone to bring up isn’t Carissa your therapist.

Who is Jen Hatmaker and why is there such a huge thread about her?

I don't think it's comical- I think it's really sad. This is the kind of thing that leads up to a major breakdown of tragic suicide or something else like that. I feel sorry for Jen. If things were going well, she wouldn't be stooping to this level in all of these areas: the push for a sex course, the cruise, the dinner at her house that she claims she's "100% here for" but she's probably secretly dreading and will get all of her friends and family to show up for to help buffer between her and all of the strangers who bought into this garbage. There needs to be a major audit of Legacy Collective. But someone needs to come alongside Jen and help her actually recover and heal and step out of the crazy for a minute.

Anonymous wrote:I am confused. Jen is not married but travels with her boyfriend. Now I read that she did some weird online presentation involving sex toys, etc.? What is the deal? I know enough fairly liberal Christians to think that this may even push their envelope? It seems that she is lost and looking for an audience but possibly alienating many along the way. Not saying that single, progressive Christians are celibate by and large, just that for many, their sexual relationships or activity may be something more dignified than this scenario.

Can I just say how extremely embarrassing that big sis is promoting whips and dildos must be for her children? Maybe this explains why her and Brando weren’t intimate for years? But still, some things are sacred, like big purple dildos! You are embarrassing yourself Jen. And I wonder why Remy has disappeared again? How dysfunctional can one family be? This is comical. Is this for real?

The LeGrifty Collective is warming up again. Jen and Dave Hollis hawking an opportunity to “break bread” with Jen at Jen’s house around the big table if they just sign up for $250 a month in giving.

Someone really needs to do a forensic audit of this charity brokership. The charities Form 990’s reported admin costs would be very interesting to see.

Anonymous wrote:They are in total frauds.

Remember how they treated the beloved elder who was dying with cancer?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

If you have intimate knowledge…fill us in. I’m new to the thread.

Accepting the reality that there is nothing wrong with being gay literally has nothing to do with the dumpster fire that is Jen Hatmaker today.

Jen has scoffed at the hilarity of the dangers of the “slippery slope”.

Now she’s pointing at big purple dildos in her house on the Insta while holding a leather riding whip.

So her series of decisions starting with that circus (in what, 2017?) have now led us to vibrator and whip videos by Jen? No one could have written this script. Couldn’t make this up.

Anonymous wrote:Way earlier on the thread there’s an insider ANC account of how the whole thing went down. A total shitshow.

Can someone post a link here back to posts mentioned in this post? I’m not going back through 348 pages to find it but I know someone has the link to that point in the thread saved!