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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder if its not Iran but Israel who actually funds Hamas to justify its ethnic cleansing and land grabbing? I don't see Iran benefiting from it.

It is a known fact that Netanyahu strengthened Hamas to divide the Palestinians.

What is your source for this "known fact?" How did he strengthen Hamas?

The deal or no deal suitcases of millions of dollars.

I don’t know how Israelis aren’t impeaching Bibi but impeached Golda meir for the 1973 10/7 which was far less worse than 10/7/23.

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Anonymous wrote:Not that Arabs are delicate flowers themselves, but for the most part they’ve never had problems with unity despite the disparate regions they live in (North Africa, Levant, the Gulf) and disparate religions (Muslim, Christian, Druze, until the 79s Jewish). Iraq, Lebanon, Syria are perfect examples. Iran, Mossad, and America tried to divide those three respective countries and failed despite “civil wars”.

The Levant is kinda like the US. It only mattered how much money you have. Nobody cared what religion you were or if you were an immigrant. It was always a crossroads for merchants, salesmen, caravans, European ex pats, sailors. The Brit and French and Armenians all lived in the Levant without problem. The Jews also lived in the Levant in Palestine without problem for 100 years before the Balfour declaration.
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Not sure about that, Arabs have never been good at unity. They are inherently tribal, but were slapped together in dysfunctional groups by western countries drawing up borders with no thought to anything other than their own strategic interests. No Arab country is stable without authoritarian rule, e.g. Iraq and Libya.

They’re actually pretty good at unity and don’t have much Rigidity when it comes to ethnicity or background. These are countries where even the most insane incel terrorist groups would accept American or Chinese terrorists if they are down. They literally don’t care if someone’s Arab or not.

That also makes them good for military reasons because they don’t have the gender or race divisions.

The biggest divisions in the Middle East have always been ideology and political. Secular vs religious, Sharia law vs non sharia law, Pan Arab vs Islamist, socialist vs capitalist. It’s things of that nature: all ideological divides. That’s why I mean it’s kinda like the US. There are large cultural and ideological divides over how things should run. They will argue within an argument just because and there are Arabic channels devoted to old men arguing about everything including small religious minutiae. Indeed, if all the Arab countries were democracies, I would imagine nobody would be able to finish a term because everyone would complain about the guy in power and say he sucks and doesn’t know what he’s doing and it’s time to remove him. In fact that is exactly what happened in Egypt with Morsi. Democracy would cause a revolving door of leadership unless one is clever enough a soft launch authoritarian lite leadership like Netanyahu

The problem started with the Zionist movement. They wanted to sacrifice their own people in Europe in order to create a state in Palestine. It kinda sounds exactly like what Hamas is doing now. Self preservation is a very important Jewish and Muslim tenet but not to these extremist groups.

Here is a quote from Bibi Netanyahu’s hero David Ben Gurion, the first PM and George Washington of Israel.

“If I knew it was possible to save all children of Germany by their transfer to England and only half of them by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, because we are faced not only with the accounting of these children but also with the historical accounting of the Jewish people.”

Ben-Gurion and other Zionist leaders vetoed the immigration of 1,000 orphans, who were in physical and emotional danger as a result of the harsh winter of 1945, from the camps in Germany to England, where the Jewish community had managed to secure them permits. Another group of roughly 500 children of camp inhabitants was barred, after Zionist intervention, from reaching France, whose rabbinical institutions had offered them safe haven.


Tell me this doesn’t sound like a Ismail Haniyeh or Yahya Sinwar quote. Why were the blood and cries of Jewish children and Palestinian children so cheap to these men?

Anonymous wrote:Not that Arabs are delicate flowers themselves, but for the most part they’ve never had problems with unity despite the disparate regions they live in (North Africa, Levant, the Gulf) and disparate religions (Muslim, Christian, Druze, until the 79s Jewish). Iraq, Lebanon, Syria are perfect examples. Iran, Mossad, and America tried to divide those three respective countries and failed despite “civil wars”.

The Levant is kinda like the US. It only mattered how much money you have. Nobody cared what religion you were or if you were an immigrant. It was always a crossroads for merchants, salesmen, caravans, European ex pats, sailors. The Brit and French and Armenians all lived in the Levant without problem. The Jews also lived in the Levant in Palestine without problem for 100 years before the Balfour declaration.
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Not sure about that, Arabs have never been good at unity. They are inherently tribal, but were slapped together in dysfunctional groups by western countries drawing up borders with no thought to anything other than their own strategic interests. No Arab country is stable without authoritarian rule, e.g. Iraq and Libya.

Not that Arabs are delicate flowers themselves, but for the most part they’ve never had problems with unity despite the disparate regions they live in (North Africa, Levant, the Gulf) and disparate religions (Muslim, Christian, Druze, until the 79s Jewish). Iraq, Lebanon, Syria are perfect examples. Iran, Mossad, and America tried to divide those three respective countries and failed despite “civil wars”.

The Levant is kinda like the US. It only mattered how much money you have. Nobody cared what religion you were or if you were an immigrant. It was always a crossroads for merchants, salesmen, caravans, European ex pats, sailors. The Brit and French and Armenians all lived in the Levant without problem. The Jews also lived in the Levant in Palestine without problem for 100 years before the Balfour declaration.
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Anonymous wrote:At this point ethnic cleansing is inevitable. West Bank Palestinians will be pushed into Syria and Gazans will be pushed into Egypt. Israel will wash it's hands of them and say the paletsinians are an arab problem just like the jews expelled from arab countries are israel's problem.

We can whine about it all we want but we not going to war to help Hamas retain control over Gaza. I don't know that they will push all the west bank Palestinians into Syria, I suspect those with work visas into Israel will get to stay.

No in to camps and they will be killed there. Boxcars are lining up now.

That would expensive. Much cheaper and easier to just push them into Egypt.

Hamas FAFO.

Um, how? Egypt has fortified their side of the boarder to a crazy degree and put up a new wall controlled by the Egyptian army on Egyptian land. Egypt won't take Palestinians.

What does Egypt known about the Palestinians that would lead to that result? As to the wealthy and relatively successful Arab countries, they're not lining up to bring in Palestinians with their grievances, terrorism, and corruption. Iran isn't exactly opening it's border to them, either.

Palestinians are the most educated and successful group of people in the Middle East wherever they go (Latin America, US). The Gulf princes all have Palestinian and Pakistani doctors because their trust fund kids are lazy and spend their time getting business degrees from US universities their fathers donated) . If you want to do a this vs that battle, it’s the Israelis that are deeply unpopular in the Middle East not Palestinians and it’s not because they’re Jewish. Iranians are also deeply unpopular in the Arab world and they’re Muslim. It’s because Arabs don’t trust them and think both groups are sectarian and have an expansionist agenda particularly in the Levant (Shia crescent and Greater Israel)

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder if its not Iran but Israel who actually funds Hamas to justify its ethnic cleansing and land grabbing? I don't see Iran benefiting from it.

It is a known fact that Netanyahu strengthened Hamas to divide the Palestinians.

What is your source for this "known fact?" How did he strengthen Hamas?

Agree you really ignorant to the fact that Netanyahu funded Hamas?

You are attributing far too much power to the Israelis. If Netanyahu had funded Bozo the Clown, would Palestinians accept the Clowns for their leadership? Of course not. It is not Israeli manipulation that has most adults in Gaza supporting Hamas.

Anonymous wrote:US is the only hope to force a change to make this planet a better world for all so both sides can move on to better things. This country has so much potential to do good.

You drank the kool-aid, what good has the US done relative to any other empire? Millions have died due to the US. Sure it’s ok to live in as a citizen if you have money but that’s about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder if its not Iran but Israel who actually funds Hamas to justify its ethnic cleansing and land grabbing? I don't see Iran benefiting from it.

It is a known fact that Netanyahu strengthened Hamas to divide the Palestinians.

What is your source for this "known fact?" How did he strengthen Hamas?

This is widely reported form multiple sources, including Israeli ones. A quick google search yielded this, but there are many others, easy to find if you're not burying your head in the sand about Israel's responsibility for the disasters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ethnic cleansing is inevitable. West Bank Palestinians will be pushed into Syria and Gazans will be pushed into Egypt. Israel will wash it's hands of them and say the paletsinians are an arab problem just like the jews expelled from arab countries are israel's problem.

We can whine about it all we want but we not going to war to help Hamas retain control over Gaza. I don't know that they will push all the west bank Palestinians into Syria, I suspect those with work visas into Israel will get to stay.

No in to camps and they will be killed there. Boxcars are lining up now.

That would expensive. Much cheaper and easier to just push them into Egypt.

Hamas FAFO.

Um, how? Egypt has fortified their side of the boarder to a crazy degree and put up a new wall controlled by the Egyptian army on Egyptian land. Egypt won't take Palestinians.

What does Egypt known about the Palestinians that would lead to that result? As to the wealthy and relatively successful Arab countries, they're not lining up to bring in Palestinians with their grievances, terrorism, and corruption. Iran isn't exactly opening it's border to them, either.

European countries should just let the Ukrainians in and leave the land for Russia to take over.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ethnic cleansing is inevitable. West Bank Palestinians will be pushed into Syria and Gazans will be pushed into Egypt. Israel will wash it's hands of them and say the paletsinians are an arab problem just like the jews expelled from arab countries are israel's problem.

We can whine about it all we want but we not going to war to help Hamas retain control over Gaza. I don't know that they will push all the west bank Palestinians into Syria, I suspect those with work visas into Israel will get to stay.

No in to camps and they will be killed there. Boxcars are lining up now.

That would expensive. Much cheaper and easier to just push them into Egypt.

Hamas FAFO.

Um, how? Egypt has fortified their side of the boarder to a crazy degree and put up a new wall controlled by the Egyptian army on Egyptian land. Egypt won't take Palestinians.

That is Hamas’ problem to figure out. Israel will no longer just let these intruders trespass on their Jewish ancestral homeland.

We see the trolls are out early today.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ethnic cleansing is inevitable. West Bank Palestinians will be pushed into Syria and Gazans will be pushed into Egypt. Israel will wash it's hands of them and say the paletsinians are an arab problem just like the jews expelled from arab countries are israel's problem.

We can whine about it all we want but we not going to war to help Hamas retain control over Gaza. I don't know that they will push all the west bank Palestinians into Syria, I suspect those with work visas into Israel will get to stay.

No in to camps and they will be killed there. Boxcars are lining up now.

That would expensive. Much cheaper and easier to just push them into Egypt.

Hamas FAFO.

Um, how? Egypt has fortified their side of the boarder to a crazy degree and put up a new wall controlled by the Egyptian army on Egyptian land. Egypt won't take Palestinians.

That is Hamas’ problem to figure out. Israel will no longer just let these intruders trespass on their Jewish ancestral homeland.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder if its not Iran but Israel who actually funds Hamas to justify its ethnic cleansing and land grabbing? I don't see Iran benefiting from it.

It is a known fact that Netanyahu strengthened Hamas to divide the Palestinians.

What is your source for this "known fact?" How did he strengthen Hamas?

Agree you really ignorant to the fact that Netanyahu funded Hamas?

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder if its not Iran but Israel who actually funds Hamas to justify its ethnic cleansing and land grabbing? I don't see Iran benefiting from it.

It is a known fact that Netanyahu strengthened Hamas to divide the Palestinians.

What is your source for this "known fact?" How did he strengthen Hamas?

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Anonymous wrote:At this point ethnic cleansing is inevitable. West Bank Palestinians will be pushed into Syria and Gazans will be pushed into Egypt. Israel will wash it's hands of them and say the paletsinians are an arab problem just like the jews expelled from arab countries are israel's problem.

We can whine about it all we want but we not going to war to help Hamas retain control over Gaza. I don't know that they will push all the west bank Palestinians into Syria, I suspect those with work visas into Israel will get to stay.

No in to camps and they will be killed there. Boxcars are lining up now.

That would expensive. Much cheaper and easier to just push them into Egypt.

Hamas FAFO.

Um, how? Egypt has fortified their side of the boarder to a crazy degree and put up a new wall controlled by the Egyptian army on Egyptian land. Egypt won't take Palestinians.

What does Egypt known about the Palestinians that would lead to that result? As to the wealthy and relatively successful Arab countries, they're not lining up to bring in Palestinians with their grievances, terrorism, and corruption. Iran isn't exactly opening it's border to them, either.