Anonymous wrote:I had a conservation with my spouse about this. There are layers to this. When she first had this put in place she was in total meltdown and kept having kids and couldn't take care of them and was being taken advantage of. Kevin Federline has yet to have an actual job and Britney is taking care of all his kids from various relationships pretty much because she houses and feeds everyone. I do not think she has low IQ but clearly she may be bipolar or something. We have zero basis to know of her IQ but the mental part was out there. So her dad coming in actually helped initially and he is strict. He is not allowing her to blow all her money but it has gone too strict. I can see that he wants to make sure no one blows everything but things should have changed a way back. There should be something in place that she can't buy 10 cars in a day or that sort of thing. Getting married--there are people with all sorts of disabilities getting married. She should be able but maybe a very tight pre nup and that happens all the time. Forced birth control like an IUD that should be her choice. I also think it is a wide bar to force meds and therapy. I don't know about that but again she should have more autonomy on her life. I really think this whole thing has highlighted that conservatorships need to have way more oversight. I hope this judge helps her.

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Anonymous wrote:If she is poor, none of the conservators,lawyers, family members and other parasites would give an F about her best interest. Conservators should not be paid. Why wouldn't any parents look after their kids for free while holding down a real job?

It is pure greed.

Please take care of a seriously incapacitated adult full-time and then report back to us on how things are going doing that for free.

Anonymous wrote:Should also add that when she said she has all sorts of nurses around her all the time, that is crazy. My parent with dementia has one person until such time that needs 24 hour care with end stage but that is years off. She is healthy and doing shows and should not be living in a hospital at her house. Crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Britney admitted she needs therapy and meds—celebs, they’re just like us. Somehow she is both incapacitated requiring a conservatorship AND can headline tours and residencies profiting millions. Only one can be true. FreeBritney.

Um,no. Both can be true. She's not performing surgery or teaching rocket science, or even babysitting kids. She jumps up and down on stage lip-synching to her old songs.

I'm not a dancer, but in Britney's defense I hear it's hard work and requires training and self-discipline. In Vegas she had a full schedule of practices and performances, and she was not just haphazardly jumping around the stage. I also imagine you're not performing surgery or teaching rocket science, so judge not.

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Anonymous wrote:An IUD put in against your will is trauma.

She didn’t say it was put in against her will. She said she wants it taken out so it is being KEPT in against her will. Both are traumatic but we should be clear in our statements.

Can’t one just pull it out oneself? I’m pretty sure you can. Are people really checking regularly to see if it’s in?

??? You can stick your entire hand in your vagina and perform surgery on yourself?! You could have a Vegas residency with that act!

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's two fingers and a yank on a string. If you can insert an OB tampon you can probably remove your IUD.

Why would you do a procedure on yourself? You could cause damage. A doctor has equipment and can look into your body and remove it safely. Do you do your own fillings, too?

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Anonymous wrote:An IUD put in against your will is trauma.

She didn’t say it was put in against her will. She said she wants it taken out so it is being KEPT in against her will. Both are traumatic but we should be clear in our statements.

Can’t one just pull it out oneself? I’m pretty sure you can. Are people really checking regularly to see if it’s in?

??? You can stick your entire hand in your vagina and perform surgery on yourself?! You could have a Vegas residency with that act!

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's two fingers and a yank on a string. If you can insert an OB tampon you can probably remove your IUD.

Anonymous wrote:If she is poor, none of the conservators,lawyers, family members and other parasites would give an F about her best interest. Conservators should not be paid. Why wouldn't any parents look after their kids for free while holding down a real job?

It is pure greed.

https://people.com/music/britney-spears-conservatorship-termination-experts-weigh-in/
How common is court-mandated birth control and psychiatric medication for people under conservatorships?

Harry Nelson: It's fairly unusual. You tend to see it in cases where you're dealing with adults with a significant cognitive deficit or with some kind of severe mental health issue where they are at potential risk of self-harm or harm to others. So it's pretty rare and pretty narrow set of conditions. My view is that it's absolutely shocking that this is still in place for somebody like Britney Spears.

Esquibias: Typically, a conservator doesn't have the right to force psychotropic drugs or secured perimeter facilities - facilities with locked doors where they can't walk in or out. It requires special sign-off from the judge, and is sometimes used for dementia patients or in some cases people with severe mental illness. As invasive as it sounds, a conservatee can be told you have to be on birth control. The idea is to protect the conservatee because the conservatee is unable to care for herself while pregnant or during childbirth.

Britney said multiple times she wants the conservatorship to end without an external evaluation. Can that happen? What next steps can she take and how long would the process take?

Esquibias: A judge is obligated to take in all the evidence, and in a conservatorship setting the evidence typically includes the confidential written report of the probate investigator who is usually a licensed social worker who interviews the conservatee and all family members to the second degree. Based on those interviews, the investigator comes to a conclusion and writes a recommendation to the judge. The judge takes in that piece of evidence and listens to the testimony of the conservator, the conservatee and to any relative to the second degree, and frankly, anyone else the judge wants to listen to. After taking in all the evidence, the judge is equipped to make a decision. That's why it would be very unlikely to render a decision without the opinion of a medical expert.

Nelson: The judge has the discretion to say they want the evaluation. In a normal situation, that would be an appropriate step to take. I just think this case is a black eye on the conservatorship system in California, and the fact that Britney has been subjected to this is scary. You think about somebody that has her fame and power in public, and she's been subjected to this. I think it undermines the credibility of our system. It's almost a monstrous kind of circumstance that this has been allowed to stand.

A judge is going to have to decide whether they're going to want an independent review or evaluation. I would think if she is able to demonstrate - even though it is common to rely on outside sources, judges generally don't like to be in the position of making direct evaluations and are often deferring to outside evaluators - I think there is enough evidence here for a judge to forego that evaluation. The judge may want another evaluation, but I would not be surprised if the judge forego it altogether based on the evidence that she is not somebody that needs to be under these severe controls.

Anonymous wrote:Britney admitted she needs therapy and meds—celebs, they’re just like us. Somehow she is both incapacitated requiring a conservatorship AND can headline tours and residencies profiting millions. Only one can be true. FreeBritney.

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Anonymous wrote:Britney admitted she needs therapy and meds—celebs, they’re just like us. Somehow she is both incapacitated requiring a conservatorship AND can headline tours and residencies profiting millions. Only one can be true. FreeBritney.

Um,no. Both can be true. She's not performing surgery or teaching rocket science, or even babysitting kids. She jumps up and down on stage lip-synching to her old songs.

Anonymous wrote:Britney admitted she needs therapy and meds—celebs, they’re just like us. Somehow she is both incapacitated requiring a conservatorship AND can headline tours and residencies profiting millions. Only one can be true. FreeBritney.

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like there's way more going on than her being bipolar.
I think there's a serious intellectual deficiency as well as mental illness.

And no, there is nothing wrong with having a very low IQ. And her family is shady AF. But still, it is highly unusual for a person to be extremely simple and have access to the kind of money we're talking about.