Anonymous wrote:It should be between UVA and Emory. The other two don't have strong national brands.

Tufts and WashU are more selective than UVA and Emory. So some people with high stats must be mistaken.

Anonymous wrote:If money weren’t an issue, I’d pick Wash U over any of those schools.

+1

I was so hoping that WashU would give DC (who got in) some merit money, but alas, nothing.

It is a wonderful school but we cannot pay $75k/year.

It should be between UVA and Emory. The other two don't have strong national brands.

If money weren’t an issue, I’d pick Wash U over any of those schools.

Anonymous wrote:What you guys are missing that ED lowers Stats, at least initially, and takes years to get back to former levels. Top students espicially TOP OOS students would be averse to applying ED to UVA. Top in-state students already apply EA to UVA so there is not much advantage there for UVA as those same students would have applied early no matter what decision plan UVA offered.

They'll have control over which students they accept, so it is really up to UVA admissions policy. It won't be as popular if they don't, though.

It should likely do the following: increase OOS full pays; free up some aid for other uses; increase yield; increase enrollment target certainty; increase admission rates for the wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA can fill half their class with ED like Penn, Duke, etc, they will do it.

This. There is no way there is not an advantage to applying ED.

It is an advantage for increasing admission odds for the applicant, and a way to increase yield for the institution. For an applicant, it also eliminates the ability to compare financial aid packages, so applicants using ED tend to be wealthier. For the institution, this therefore reduces demand for aid among ED admits and lets the institution target their aid resources.

UVA has promised that its financial aid package will be delivered along with the ED decision on Dec. 15th. So the family who really wants UVA will have everything it needs to make a decision at that time. If the family really wants to cross-shop (but how can you beat UVA in-state? but that's up to the family), UVA has retained EA, so a student can still apply EA to as many schools as he or she wants. Then there is still RD as well.

They have already decided at that point because they applied ED, so it doesn't really make much a difference. They won't be able to compare aid offers. They can petition to be released if the aid package isn't good enough, but that will probably be rare. The ED applicants will be wealthier than RD.

What you guys are missing that ED lowers Stats, at least initially, and takes years to get back to former levels. Top students espicially TOP OOS students would be averse to applying ED to UVA. Top in-state students already apply EA to UVA so there is not much advantage there for UVA as those same students would have applied early no matter what decision plan UVA offered.

Anonymous wrote:UVA is probably looking at things like the following. Duke's yield in 2006, when UVA dropped ED was 43%. In 2017, it was up to 54%. Over that same time, UVA's OOS yield has gone from 36% to 22%.

Actually, I think what propelled this was the oversubscription at UVA's competitor (sports), Virginia Tech. UVA received almost 41,000 applications this year (a 10% increase) and will most likely see another 10%+ next year due to a whole constellation of factors. Although it is flattering to Tech that 1800 students over the estimate wanted Tech, it is still an administrative nightmare. Better to start ED and cherrypick those that have the stats and are ready to commit to the school so that when UVA's small admissions office has to attack EA and RD piles, it has at least a sense of how many seats it has to fill. Remember UVA is a state school - the Virginia Tech error was costly and it is ultimately the taxpayers that will pick that up. I imagine UVA wants to avoid the same thing. GMU has been oversubscribed and it, too, had to bounce some upperclassmen from the dorms and they were none too happy about that. And I applaud UVA for promising that the financial aid packages will come on Dec. 15th with the ED decision. Many parents in NOVA will love this because UVA is their first pick anyhow. It will be nice for them to apply once and find out and be done with the college admissions madness and not have to spend the rest of the year making costly submissions.

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA can fill half their class with ED like Penn, Duke, etc, they will do it.

This. There is no way there is not an advantage to applying ED.

It is an advantage for increasing admission odds for the applicant, and a way to increase yield for the institution. For an applicant, it also eliminates the ability to compare financial aid packages, so applicants using ED tend to be wealthier. For the institution, this therefore reduces demand for aid among ED admits and lets the institution target their aid resources.

UVA has promised that its financial aid package will be delivered along with the ED decision on Dec. 15th. So the family who really wants UVA will have everything it needs to make a decision at that time. If the family really wants to cross-shop (but how can you beat UVA in-state? but that's up to the family), UVA has retained EA, so a student can still apply EA to as many schools as he or she wants. Then there is still RD as well.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Yeah kinda is solved. Was planning ED at Emory, Tufts, or Wash U to take the "shot" but now will ED at UVA.

Problem is sibling who has a legit shot at IVY. She will EA UVA for sure but not ED. ED an Ivy to take the "shot".

Also, now don't want to split up...so may be both will ED UVA? But I told the one with the higher GPA take the shot at Ivy. UVA from a cost perspective is easy for us. The problem is two privates with a third kid two years behind who will want private.

I have said since birth Ivy or UVA and if you don't get UVA W&M.

Now the question will be will there be any admissions benefit to UVA ED? He will likely ED 2 W&M if rejected or deferred. So yeah problem generally solved.

Only thing is I think an ED at Emory with his grades has a higher shot at say Emory than UVA. ACT is top.

Why would ED at Emory be easier than ED at UVA, Emory is harder to get into. And this is UVA's first year doing ED.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Yeah kinda is solved. Was planning ED at Emory, Tufts, or Wash U to take the "shot" but now will ED at UVA.

Problem is sibling who has a legit shot at IVY. She will EA UVA for sure but not ED. ED an Ivy to take the "shot".

Also, now don't want to split up...so may be both will ED UVA? But I told the one with the higher GPA take the shot at Ivy. UVA from a cost perspective is easy for us. The problem is two privates with a third kid two years behind who will want private.

I have said since birth Ivy or UVA and if you don't get UVA W&M.

Now the question will be will there be any admissions benefit to UVA ED? He will likely ED 2 W&M if rejected or deferred. So yeah problem generally solved.

Only thing is I think an ED at Emory with his grades has a higher shot at say Emory than UVA. ACT is top.

This, folks (since “birth”?) is why we need that adversity index to be as robust as possible.

Umm, no. Parents plan for college. That is not a federal crime. Bribing a coach to create a fake recruit profile is but simply planning smartly for college with the resources available to you is not.

Like I said, so happy the adversity index is in there. Give upper middle class parents something else to sweat about.

UVA is probably looking at things like the following. Duke's yield in 2006, when UVA dropped ED was 43%. In 2017, it was up to 54%. Over that same time, UVA's OOS yield has gone from 36% to 22%.

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA can fill half their class with ED like Penn, Duke, etc, they will do it.

This. There is no way there is not an advantage to applying ED.

It is an advantage for increasing admission odds for the applicant, and a way to increase yield for the institution. For an applicant, it also eliminates the ability to compare financial aid packages, so applicants using ED tend to be wealthier. For the institution, this therefore reduces demand for aid among ED admits and lets the institution target their aid resources.

Anonymous wrote:If UVA can fill half their class with ED like Penn, Duke, etc, they will do it.

This. There is no way there is not an advantage to applying ED.

Anonymous wrote:This may have changed but most Ivies let you apply ED one Ivy and your state school. Check your local rules...

ED is binding. Ivys will let you apply EA to state school, but no one can apply to more than one ED.