jsteele
04/12/2019 14:10
Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:It seems people everywhere are always mischaracterizing Omar's words. Why would that be?
Because they see her as a threat. She is willing to gore a lot of sacred cows.
Anonymous
04/12/2019 14:09
Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
It seems people everywhere are always mischaracterizing Omar's words. Why would that be?
Anonymous
04/12/2019 14:09
Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Oh my God, make it stop. Or at least Nancy, make it stop. Here is latest tweet, after being heavily criticized about the way she characterized 9/11:
“The people — and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!” President George W. Bush
Was Bush downplaying the terrorist attack?
What if he was a Muslim?
What is wrong with that tweet? Omar was not downplaying 9/11, but her critics are downplaying the increased Islamophobia that grew out of 9/11. Why aren't Republicans supporting aid to the 9/11 responders who are suffering tragic health consequences? If you are really concerned with 9/11, you should be attacking Republicans instead of Omar (who is a co-sponsor of the bill).
Americans don't like to hear 9/11 characterized as "some people did something." Was she afraid to offend her Muslim audience? No one needed her to call it "the deadliest terror act in the history of the world." She could have just said "9/11."
President Bush made this statement days after World Trade Center was reduced to rubble. We didn't yet know who was responsible. You don't see a false equivalency?
Omar is 1 of the 142 out of 435 members in the House who are co-sponsors of the bill, though one does not need to be a co-sponsor of the bill to support it. I don't know why there are so many Democrats and Republicans who not co-sponsoring, but it leads me to wonder what is in it that is giving a third of them pause. Jon Stewart, who hates Trump, praised the Trump administration last month for how it was handling the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund.
Omar has called for the complete defunding of the Department of Homeland Security, which was created to protect the United States after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
You are not the spokesperson for Americans and your suggestion that Omar is not American is exactly the sort of Islamophobia she was speaking about. How telling that Omar has shown more support for 9/11 victims than most members of Congress, but instead of praising her for it, you suggest it is actually a suspicious action. If Jon Stewart's stamp of approval for you is so important, he was at the unveiling of the bill that Omar is co-sponsoring:
https://www.thenationalherald.com/232414/bipartisan-legislation-unveiled-for-9-11-victim-compensation-fund-act-authorization/
Maybe you should direct some of you attention to Dan Crenshaw who couldn't even find the time to meet with a NYFD firefighter to discuss the bill?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-texas-republican-ilhan-omar-fdny-firefighter-attack-20190411-qs7sbccinbd4zhirps2d7g6wpm-story.html
Where did I suggest that she is not an American? Where did I express suspicion? Are you perhaps replying to the wrong comment?
See the bolded above. That's where you suggested both of those things. Maybe you didn't read your own post?
If a speaker addressed a room of women as "gals," and I said, "Women don't like to be called 'gals,' would I be suggesting the speaker was not a woman herself?
Re: the bill. I'm not saying there's something suspicious about her support of it. Rather, I do not know everything in the bill and sometimes, extra things are added into a bill that change what would seem to be a no brainer into a bill that a member cannot sign onto. This may apply here since the 9/11 victims fund seems to be something every Congressperson would want to cosponsor, yet 2/3, both Democrats and Republicans, are not.
jsteele
04/12/2019 14:05
Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
I didn't "miss" her point. I understand Islamophobia better than most. I even wrote that I'm "NOT denying" it exists.
However, as a public figure, her hasty tweets negatively characterize her. What she fails to understand at the "ripe age" of 37 is the responsible use of social media. Scan her twitter. It's negative. She's combative. She addresses topics that while important, aren't necessarily those that represent all of her constituents. So psychologically, people are going to be defensive.
And guess what? News sources EAT that sh*t up! So one negative tweet can be resurrected for months, staining a person's reputation. She's not smart in choosing her words - and there seems to be a lot of that around, which is frightening.
You are yourself engaging in an effort to mischaracterize Omar's words and yet you act like this is all her fault (being enabled by the media). Her discussion of Islamophobia following 9/11 did not take place on Twitter. Anything she says is going to be taken out of context and mischaracterized by those who see her as a threat. If you are concerned about her reputation, you should direct your efforts to ending the baseless attacks on her.
Anonymous
04/12/2019 14:02
Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:I'm not denying Islamophobia, but she is incredibly divisive in her approach, and she makes destructive generalizations - all while using her public position to push an agenda.
Well put. She needs to get off twitter. And, her friend AOC also needs to quit "helping" her. Attacking Crenshaw was not a good look for AOC. To say that Omar is doing more because she is co-sponsoring a bill to extend 9/11 benefits along with 100 or so other people is not the equivalent of giving up an eye. Crenshaw merely used Omar's own words and AOC accused him of putting Omar in danger.
Death threats are never right, but Omar needs to realize that most Congressmen get them at some point. And, she might get fewer if she chose her words more carefully.
Omar and AOC are going to scare away all Independents and many moderate Dems in 2020.
jsteele
04/12/2019 13:57
Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Oh my God, make it stop. Or at least Nancy, make it stop. Here is latest tweet, after being heavily criticized about the way she characterized 9/11:
“The people — and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!” President George W. Bush
Was Bush downplaying the terrorist attack?
What if he was a Muslim?
What is wrong with that tweet? Omar was not downplaying 9/11, but her critics are downplaying the increased Islamophobia that grew out of 9/11. Why aren't Republicans supporting aid to the 9/11 responders who are suffering tragic health consequences? If you are really concerned with 9/11, you should be attacking Republicans instead of Omar (who is a co-sponsor of the bill).
Americans don't like to hear 9/11 characterized as "some people did something." Was she afraid to offend her Muslim audience? No one needed her to call it "the deadliest terror act in the history of the world." She could have just said "9/11."
President Bush made this statement days after World Trade Center was reduced to rubble. We didn't yet know who was responsible. You don't see a false equivalency?
Omar is 1 of the 142 out of 435 members in the House who are co-sponsors of the bill, though one does not need to be a co-sponsor of the bill to support it. I don't know why there are so many Democrats and Republicans who not co-sponsoring, but it leads me to wonder what is in it that is giving a third of them pause. Jon Stewart, who hates Trump, praised the Trump administration last month for how it was handling the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund.
Omar has called for the complete defunding of the Department of Homeland Security, which was created to protect the United States after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
You are not the spokesperson for Americans and your suggestion that Omar is not American is exactly the sort of Islamophobia she was speaking about. How telling that Omar has shown more support for 9/11 victims than most members of Congress, but instead of praising her for it, you suggest it is actually a suspicious action. If Jon Stewart's stamp of approval for you is so important, he was at the unveiling of the bill that Omar is co-sponsoring:
https://www.thenationalherald.com/232414/bipartisan-legislation-unveiled-for-9-11-victim-compensation-fund-act-authorization/
Maybe you should direct some of you attention to Dan Crenshaw who couldn't even find the time to meet with a NYFD firefighter to discuss the bill?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-texas-republican-ilhan-omar-fdny-firefighter-attack-20190411-qs7sbccinbd4zhirps2d7g6wpm-story.html
Where did I suggest that she is not an American? Where did I express suspicion? Are you perhaps replying to the wrong comment?
See the bolded above. That's where you suggested both of those things. Maybe you didn't read your own post?
Anonymous
04/12/2019 13:57
Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There really is no defending Omar’s disgusting statement essentially diminishing and dismissing 9/11:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-under-fire-after-describing-9-11-terror-attacks-as-some-people-did-something
I lost a family member in NYC during the TERRORIST attack.
She has no clue and is an embarrassment.
God save America from the crazies.
What does this mean for the Muslims who died in (or survived) 9-11?
https://www.thoughtco.com/muslim-victims-of-911-attack-2004638
The list of names is included in this article.
Among the many victims of 9/11 were several dozen innocent Muslims, ranging in age from their late 60s to a couple’s unborn child. Many were stockbrokers or restaurant workers, working in the Twin Towers to earn a living to care for their families, and their numbers included converts and immigrants from over a dozen different countries and the U.S. Some were heroes, including an NYPD cadet and a Marriott hotel worker who sacrificed their lives attempting to rescue others. The Muslim victims were parents to more than 30 children who were left without one or both of their parents.
What does it mean? That they are innocent Americans who need to be saved from radically extreme Muslims. Are you suggesting otherwise?
Don't get your panties in a bunch, you weirdo.
I'm addressing the hypocrisy in her words. She is blaming America for placing Muslims as second-class citizens as she "downgrades" 9-11. Yet she fails to recognize the deaths of Muslims during this attack.
I'm not denying Islamophobia, but she is incredibly divisive in her approach, and she makes destructive generalizations - all while using her public position to push an agenda.
You are missing Omar's point. It doesn't matter if 9/11 was the most massive attack in the history of the world or a minor incident. Neither case justifies blaming all Muslims for it, considering all Muslims as potential terrorists, or downgrading Muslims to second class citizenship.
I didn't "miss" her point. I understand Islamophobia better than most. I even wrote that I'm "NOT denying" it exists.
However, as a public figure, her hasty tweets negatively characterize her. What she fails to understand at the "ripe age" of 37 is the responsible use of social media. Scan her twitter. It's negative. She's combative. She addresses topics that while important, aren't necessarily those that represent all of her constituents. So psychologically, people are going to be defensive.
And guess what? News sources EAT that sh*t up! So one negative tweet can be resurrected for months, staining a person's reputation. She's not smart in choosing her words - and there seems to be a lot of that around, which is frightening.
jsteele
04/12/2019 13:56
Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:
Her point is easily missed because she cannot seem to speak without putting her foot in her mouth and then playing the victim. She needs to get out of her own way. In the face of enormous blowback, she doubles down and chooses to go after the word choice of Pres Bush at the time of the attacks.
Her points are easily understood which is why people like you have to misrepresent them. For instance, she did not "go after" Bush's words. To the contrary, she is saying Bush's words were find and comparable to her's. Bush's words received praise, so why is she receiving criticism. BTW, she was not the first to make that comparison. It was included the Washington Post's Factchecking article about this controversy:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/11/some-people-did-something-rep-omars-remarks-context/
Anonymous
04/12/2019 13:54
Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Oh my God, make it stop. Or at least Nancy, make it stop. Here is latest tweet, after being heavily criticized about the way she characterized 9/11:
“The people — and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!” President George W. Bush
Was Bush downplaying the terrorist attack?
What if he was a Muslim?
What is wrong with that tweet? Omar was not downplaying 9/11, but her critics are downplaying the increased Islamophobia that grew out of 9/11. Why aren't Republicans supporting aid to the 9/11 responders who are suffering tragic health consequences? If you are really concerned with 9/11, you should be attacking Republicans instead of Omar (who is a co-sponsor of the bill).
Americans don't like to hear 9/11 characterized as "some people did something." Was she afraid to offend her Muslim audience? No one needed her to call it "the deadliest terror act in the history of the world." She could have just said "9/11."
President Bush made this statement days after World Trade Center was reduced to rubble. We didn't yet know who was responsible. You don't see a false equivalency?
Omar is 1 of the 142 out of 435 members in the House who are co-sponsors of the bill, though one does not need to be a co-sponsor of the bill to support it. I don't know why there are so many Democrats and Republicans who not co-sponsoring, but it leads me to wonder what is in it that is giving a third of them pause. Jon Stewart, who hates Trump, praised the Trump administration last month for how it was handling the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund.
Omar has called for the complete defunding of the Department of Homeland Security, which was created to protect the United States after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
You are not the spokesperson for Americans and your suggestion that Omar is not American is exactly the sort of Islamophobia she was speaking about. How telling that Omar has shown more support for 9/11 victims than most members of Congress, but instead of praising her for it, you suggest it is actually a suspicious action. If Jon Stewart's stamp of approval for you is so important, he was at the unveiling of the bill that Omar is co-sponsoring:
https://www.thenationalherald.com/232414/bipartisan-legislation-unveiled-for-9-11-victim-compensation-fund-act-authorization/
Maybe you should direct some of you attention to Dan Crenshaw who couldn't even find the time to meet with a NYFD firefighter to discuss the bill?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-texas-republican-ilhan-omar-fdny-firefighter-attack-20190411-qs7sbccinbd4zhirps2d7g6wpm-story.html
Where did I suggest that she is not an American? Where did I express suspicion? Are you perhaps replying to the wrong comment?
jsteele
04/12/2019 13:52
Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:I'm not denying Islamophobia, but she is incredibly divisive in her approach, and she makes destructive generalizations - all while using her public position to push an agenda.
Well put. She needs to get off twitter. And, her friend AOC also needs to quit "helping" her. Attacking Crenshaw was not a good look for AOC. To say that Omar is doing more because she is co-sponsoring a bill to extend 9/11 benefits along with 100 or so other people is not the equivalent of giving up an eye. Crenshaw merely used Omar's own words and AOC accused him of putting Omar in danger.
Death threats are never right, but Omar needs to realize that most Congressmen get them at some point. And, she might get fewer if she chose her words more carefully.
What a wonderful attitude. Omar should just shut up if she doesn't want to be killed. Certainly don't blame Crenshaw or Trump who misrepresent her words and put a target on her back for endangering her.
Anonymous
04/12/2019 13:50
Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There really is no defending Omar’s disgusting statement essentially diminishing and dismissing 9/11:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-under-fire-after-describing-9-11-terror-attacks-as-some-people-did-something
I lost a family member in NYC during the TERRORIST attack.
She has no clue and is an embarrassment.
God save America from the crazies.
What does this mean for the Muslims who died in (or survived) 9-11?
https://www.thoughtco.com/muslim-victims-of-911-attack-2004638
The list of names is included in this article.
Among the many victims of 9/11 were several dozen innocent Muslims, ranging in age from their late 60s to a couple’s unborn child. Many were stockbrokers or restaurant workers, working in the Twin Towers to earn a living to care for their families, and their numbers included converts and immigrants from over a dozen different countries and the U.S. Some were heroes, including an NYPD cadet and a Marriott hotel worker who sacrificed their lives attempting to rescue others. The Muslim victims were parents to more than 30 children who were left without one or both of their parents.
What does it mean? That they are innocent Americans who need to be saved from radically extreme Muslims. Are you suggesting otherwise?
Don't get your panties in a bunch, you weirdo.
I'm addressing the hypocrisy in her words. She is blaming America for placing Muslims as second-class citizens as she "downgrades" 9-11. Yet she fails to recognize the deaths of Muslims during this attack.
I'm not denying Islamophobia, but she is incredibly divisive in her approach, and she makes destructive generalizations - all while using her public position to push an agenda.
You are missing Omar's point. It doesn't matter if 9/11 was the most massive attack in the history of the world or a minor incident. Neither case justifies blaming all Muslims for it, considering all Muslims as potential terrorists, or downgrading Muslims to second class citizenship.
Her point is easily missed because she cannot seem to speak without putting her foot in her mouth and then playing the victim. She needs to get out of her own way. In the face of enormous blowback, she doubles down and chooses to go after the word choice of Pres Bush at the time of the attacks.
jsteele
04/12/2019 13:49
Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Oh my God, make it stop. Or at least Nancy, make it stop. Here is latest tweet, after being heavily criticized about the way she characterized 9/11:
“The people — and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!” President George W. Bush
Was Bush downplaying the terrorist attack?
What if he was a Muslim?
What is wrong with that tweet? Omar was not downplaying 9/11, but her critics are downplaying the increased Islamophobia that grew out of 9/11. Why aren't Republicans supporting aid to the 9/11 responders who are suffering tragic health consequences? If you are really concerned with 9/11, you should be attacking Republicans instead of Omar (who is a co-sponsor of the bill).
Americans don't like to hear 9/11 characterized as "some people did something." Was she afraid to offend her Muslim audience? No one needed her to call it "the deadliest terror act in the history of the world." She could have just said "9/11."
President Bush made this statement days after World Trade Center was reduced to rubble. We didn't yet know who was responsible. You don't see a false equivalency?
Omar is 1 of the 142 out of 435 members in the House who are co-sponsors of the bill, though one does not need to be a co-sponsor of the bill to support it. I don't know why there are so many Democrats and Republicans who not co-sponsoring, but it leads me to wonder what is in it that is giving a third of them pause. Jon Stewart, who hates Trump, praised the Trump administration last month for how it was handling the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund.
Omar has called for the complete defunding of the Department of Homeland Security, which was created to protect the United States after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
You are not the spokesperson for Americans and your suggestion that Omar is not American is exactly the sort of Islamophobia she was speaking about. How telling that Omar has shown more support for 9/11 victims than most members of Congress, but instead of praising her for it, you suggest it is actually a suspicious action. If Jon Stewart's stamp of approval for you is so important, he was at the unveiling of the bill that Omar is co-sponsoring:
https://www.thenationalherald.com/232414/bipartisan-legislation-unveiled-for-9-11-victim-compensation-fund-act-authorization/
Maybe you should direct some of you attention to Dan Crenshaw who couldn't even find the time to meet with a NYFD firefighter to discuss the bill?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-texas-republican-ilhan-omar-fdny-firefighter-attack-20190411-qs7sbccinbd4zhirps2d7g6wpm-story.html
Anonymous
04/12/2019 13:49
Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There really is no defending Omar’s disgusting statement essentially diminishing and dismissing 9/11:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-under-fire-after-describing-9-11-terror-attacks-as-some-people-did-something
I lost a family member in NYC during the TERRORIST attack.
She has no clue and is an embarrassment.
God save America from the crazies.
What does this mean for the Muslims who died in (or survived) 9-11?
https://www.thoughtco.com/muslim-victims-of-911-attack-2004638
The list of names is included in this article.
Among the many victims of 9/11 were several dozen innocent Muslims, ranging in age from their late 60s to a couple’s unborn child. Many were stockbrokers or restaurant workers, working in the Twin Towers to earn a living to care for their families, and their numbers included converts and immigrants from over a dozen different countries and the U.S. Some were heroes, including an NYPD cadet and a Marriott hotel worker who sacrificed their lives attempting to rescue others. The Muslim victims were parents to more than 30 children who were left without one or both of their parents.
What does it mean? That they are innocent Americans who need to be saved from radically extreme Muslims. Are you suggesting otherwise?
Don't get your panties in a bunch, you weirdo.
I'm addressing the hypocrisy in her words. She is blaming America for placing Muslims as second-class citizens as she "downgrades" 9-11. Yet she fails to recognize the deaths of Muslims during this attack.
I'm not denying Islamophobia, but she is incredibly divisive in her approach, and she makes destructive generalizations - all while using her public position to push an agenda.
what agenda?
How about this food for thought . . .
If she's working for her constituents, why isn't CNN or other credible news sources reporting on her successes? Thus far, we've only heard about her tweets (Hell, even Pelosi subtly slammed the twitter twits.), her "Benjamin" comment, and her presentation at CAIR.
Surely she's made some positive moves for her voters, right? What are they?
I'm open to "learning" how she has a broad agenda that benefits ALL of her constituents.
that doesn't really answer the question....what agenda? or are you just speculating?
Anonymous
04/12/2019 13:45
Subject: The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There really is no defending Omar’s disgusting statement essentially diminishing and dismissing 9/11:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-under-fire-after-describing-9-11-terror-attacks-as-some-people-did-something
I lost a family member in NYC during the TERRORIST attack.
She has no clue and is an embarrassment.
God save America from the crazies.
What does this mean for the Muslims who died in (or survived) 9-11?
https://www.thoughtco.com/muslim-victims-of-911-attack-2004638
The list of names is included in this article.
Among the many victims of 9/11 were several dozen innocent Muslims, ranging in age from their late 60s to a couple’s unborn child. Many were stockbrokers or restaurant workers, working in the Twin Towers to earn a living to care for their families, and their numbers included converts and immigrants from over a dozen different countries and the U.S. Some were heroes, including an NYPD cadet and a Marriott hotel worker who sacrificed their lives attempting to rescue others. The Muslim victims were parents to more than 30 children who were left without one or both of their parents.
What does it mean? That they are innocent Americans who need to be saved from radically extreme Muslims. Are you suggesting otherwise?
Don't get your panties in a bunch, you weirdo.
I'm addressing the hypocrisy in her words. She is blaming America for placing Muslims as second-class citizens as she "downgrades" 9-11. Yet she fails to recognize the deaths of Muslims during this attack.
I'm not denying Islamophobia, but she is incredibly divisive in her approach, and she makes destructive generalizations - all while using her public position to push an agenda.
what agenda?
How about this food for thought . . .
If she's working for her constituents, why isn't CNN or other credible news sources reporting on her successes? Thus far, we've only heard about her tweets (Hell, even Pelosi subtly slammed the twitter twits.), her "Benjamin" comment, and her presentation at CAIR.
Surely she's made some positive moves for her voters, right? What are they?
I'm open to "learning" how she has a broad agenda that benefits ALL of her constituents.
Anonymous
04/12/2019 13:43
Subject: Re:The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar
I'm not denying Islamophobia, but she is incredibly divisive in her approach, and she makes destructive generalizations - all while using her public position to push an agenda.
Well put. She needs to get off twitter. And, her friend AOC also needs to quit "helping" her. Attacking Crenshaw was not a good look for AOC. To say that Omar is doing more because she is co-sponsoring a bill to extend 9/11 benefits along with 100 or so other people is not the equivalent of giving up an eye. Crenshaw merely used Omar's own words and AOC accused him of putting Omar in danger.
Death threats are never right, but Omar needs to realize that most Congressmen get them at some point. And, she might get fewer if she chose her words more carefully.