Anonymous
Post 05/14/2018 09:23     Subject: Re:WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Someone on one of these threads posted an anecdote about a kid who was in DCPS but then didn’t qualify for DC TAG. So I went to look for the requirements. OSSE runs that verification too. Tax filers have to provide a certified tax form, and there is an electronic system to do it (DCOne App?). If you are not a tax filer, you have to supply a statement of other benefits (TANF, etc.), bill/pay stub, AND successfully file a FAFSA.

So, there is already a more stringent system at OSSE that has accommodations for low income non-filers.

Can we bring that to scale for schools? That benefit (12k) is worth more than the 10k DCTAG.


https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/2018-19%20DCOneApp%20Checklist.pdf
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2018 23:43     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Count them, and charge VA and MD. Reciprocity, not freeloading. Identify a handful of schools that are eligible for out of state kids
Cap the eligible AGI of the parents -- limit it to those making $120k or less, depending on the number of kids. Limit it only to DC city employees. Any number of ways to make this a good policy for recruitment and retention of City workers to lower-paying jobs.


Oh please. Anyone making a $100,000 or more at a city job can find a decent place to live in DC if they choose. They are making an economic choice to get a bigger house by luving in the suburbs, but it’s not that they “can’t afford” DC.


"Oh, please" (my god, you are rude). Take a gander at the real.estate page. There is no way you can find safe housing with 3 bedrooms in DC on 100k a year and feed your 2-3 kids. What is your definition of decent?


NP - reciprocity would mean DC kids get educated for free in MD electively by their parents
Raised salaries /incentives for civilisations servants should come with a clause they live in the city
A special dispensation for only civil servants who live outside the city should come with a cap - and they should pay tuition -even a special rate - or again work out some reciprocity with md whereby they educate a DC special needs child or whatnot (these kids cost the school system/or tax dollars/every one)
Non civil servant non resident kids I really don't see how they fit in DC public schools.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2018 23:01     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would rather they raise salaries than create yet another way dishonest people can break the law. DC schools are for DC kids.



Yes!


That is unlikely to happen.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2018 23:00     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Count them, and charge VA and MD. Reciprocity, not freeloading. Identify a handful of schools that are eligible for out of state kids
Cap the eligible AGI of the parents -- limit it to those making $120k or less, depending on the number of kids. Limit it only to DC city employees. Any number of ways to make this a good policy for recruitment and retention of City workers to lower-paying jobs.


Oh please. Anyone making a $100,000 or more at a city job can find a decent place to live in DC if they choose. They are making an economic choice to get a bigger house by luving in the suburbs, but it’s not that they “can’t afford” DC.


"Oh, please" (my god, you are rude). Take a gander at the real.estate page. There is no way you can find safe housing with 3 bedrooms in DC on 100k a year and feed your 2-3 kids. What is your definition of decent?
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2018 11:24     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:I would rather they raise salaries than create yet another way dishonest people can break the law. DC schools are for DC kids.



Yes!
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2018 11:04     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
I would rather they raise salaries than create yet another way dishonest people can break the law. DC schools are for DC kids.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2018 10:15     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Count them, and charge VA and MD. Reciprocity, not freeloading. Identify a handful of schools that are eligible for out of state kids
Cap the eligible AGI of the parents -- limit it to those making $120k or less, depending on the number of kids. Limit it only to DC city employees. Any number of ways to make this a good policy for recruitment and retention of City workers to lower-paying jobs.


Oh please. Anyone making a $100,000 or more at a city job can find a decent place to live in DC if they choose. They are making an economic choice to get a bigger house by living in the suburbs, but it’s not that they “can’t afford” DC.


not a three bedroom. You can find an "affordable" 2 bedroom apartments in the 2,000 a month range, yes, but you are sol if you need three bedrooms.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2018 09:26     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Count them, and charge VA and MD. Reciprocity, not freeloading. Identify a handful of schools that are eligible for out of state kids
Cap the eligible AGI of the parents -- limit it to those making $120k or less, depending on the number of kids. Limit it only to DC city employees. Any number of ways to make this a good policy for recruitment and retention of City workers to lower-paying jobs.


Oh please. Anyone making a $100,000 or more at a city job can find a decent place to live in DC if they choose. They are making an economic choice to get a bigger house by luving in the suburbs, but it’s not that they “can’t afford” DC.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2018 00:01     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Count them, and charge VA and MD. Reciprocity, not freeloading. Identify a handful of schools that are eligible for out of state kids
Cap the eligible AGI of the parents -- limit it to those making $120k or less, depending on the number of kids. Limit it only to DC city employees. Any number of ways to make this a good policy for recruitment and retention of City workers to lower-paying jobs.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2018 22:04     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:NP here. Can't wade through 34 pages but here is my perspective, based solely on the details of the WTOP story.

I don't think the City is taking a reasonable response. They need to ask why this is happening. In the article I read, a couple owed over $200k in tuition for 3 kids plus over $300k in fines. They were both DC police officers. I feel the City should allow city employees to send their kids to DC schools for free, since we probably don't pay our city civil servants enough to cover tuition and the crazy traffic makes it hard to get home to an affordable neighborhood to pick kids up after school or hire someone. We should just provide this as a benefit so we can be assured of having a good workforce. Otherwise, we won't be able to fill lower-paying jobs. Hard to complain about package theft and worse when we can't provide sufficient benefits to our police. Also, the whole focus seems to be on punishing the students by hunting them out and kicking them out. It's not the kids' fault. This is a policy failure.


I disagree completely. First of all, this is fraud. Secondly these people are well paid. And do you really think t would be feasible to let all city employees have their choice of schools regardless of where they live? That’s a huge number of kids, whose parents are paying taxes to another state.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2018 21:54     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:I'm on a DC education parent board of sorts (one of the ones you had to be selected to), and someone needs to look into how every one of those administrators "lucky lotteried" into a OOB DCPS or HRCS. It was offputting from the first couple meetings. Patronage is real.



It is so true. I feel like a fool for working so hard to make our school better. Busted my ass on sad little fundraisers while they cheat and throw away millions on Maryland kids.

Although if someone's oldest child is in high school, it is more plausible to me that their placement is legit. Many schools were not that hard to get into 8 or 10 years ago, and if you spin the wheel every year for two or three kids, chances are a good number will happen eventually.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2018 21:49     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
I'm on a DC education parent board of sorts (one of the ones you had to be selected to), and someone needs to look into how every one of those administrators "lucky lotteried" into a OOB DCPS or HRCS. It was offputting from the first couple meetings. Patronage is real.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2018 21:48     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:This is a totally different case than the MPD couple with 3kids from a couple years ago. This is another two-MPD residency fraud couple.


Good. I feel so much better. Four crooked cops.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2018 20:09     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
This is a totally different case than the MPD couple with 3kids from a couple years ago. This is another two-MPD residency fraud couple.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2018 19:52     Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Desperation causes people to break laws. Also, bad laws.


This couple earns $150k per year in base salary. MPD is known for its high amount of available overtime. Some of the children were high schoolers. They are not desperate. They are entitled. Sure, there are trade offs in work and housing and school. Everyone in this city makes them.


If this is about the original 2 cop couple with the three kids. It was not about them not having enough money, it was about their convenience. They were using the address of one of their many rental properties as their address. They lived in a giant house about 45 minutes away in MD. I really hope they paid up.


I really wonder why they are still on the police force. They cheat, commit a fraud on their employer the District and steal services (a crime) from DC. And they are supposed to enforce with laws, with a badge ... and a gun?!