Anonymous wrote:I think we can learn something from this horrible incident. These parents were not willing to listen to this boy, just a boy whose brain is still forming. They should have had faith in their daughter's ability to find her way, and they could have engaged him in conversation, given that he was knowledgable about history, in events having nothing to do with Nazism. The boy clearly had mental problems. Spending time with him and his family might have been a better way to teach her daughter that his hatred was wrong, and it might even have helped this boy see that they were not villains in his script.

This is sarcasm right? "Faith in their daughter's ability to find her way?" She was at a school with a 3:1 student adult ratio because while physically she was 16, she wasn't there yet in other domains and needed the support of rational adults. There is no shame in that. The mistake would be to assume just because of her age she deserves certain freedoms without considering where she is emotionally, cognitively, and behaviorally.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we can learn something from this horrible incident. These parents were not willing to listen to this boy, just a boy whose brain is still forming. They should have had faith in their daughter's ability to find her way, and they could have engaged him in conversation, given that he was knowledgable about history, in events having nothing to do with Nazism. The boy clearly had mental problems. Spending time with him and his family might have been a better way to teach her daughter that his hatred was wrong, and it might even have helped this boy see that they were not villains in his script.

Why are talking about the girl's parents? The shooter's parents were the responsible adults in this whole scenario.

You posters are crazy.

Yes, let's not discuss the boy's parents who are legally responsible for him and who likely provided the gun.

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Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

I actually do find it strange that no one is discussing this aspect of it. The kid tried to commit suicide. That would seem to play a significant factor in all this

Yeah - he did that AFTER shooting the parents, not BEFORE.

No kidding.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we can learn something from this horrible incident. These parents were not willing to listen to this boy, just a boy whose brain is still forming. They should have had faith in their daughter's ability to find her way, and they could have engaged him in conversation, given that he was knowledgable about history, in events having nothing to do with Nazism. The boy clearly had mental problems. Spending time with him and his family might have been a better way to teach her daughter that his hatred was wrong, and it might even have helped this boy see that they were not villains in his script.

Why are talking about the girl's parents? The shooter's parents were the responsible adults in this whole scenario.

You posters are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:The shooting range photo of the mentally ill killer is with a long gun, at least a semi-automatic, aimed at a target of a police officer. A police officer.

Why was he aiming a gun at a police officer as a target? This is very anti-police state stuff and very scary.

So, all those that think this kid just picked this stuff up on his own are delusional.

Aiming a gun at a police officer target? Please, can someone justify shooting a police officer target on here?

I've been to shooting ranges. A legitimate range would not have such a target. Something is off.

He could have brought the target with him? But, yeah, something is off with that picture.

I hope so. Even still, if your son is in a school for emotionally, mentally disturbed children, then you should not take him to a shooting range. Guns can be very dangerous in the hands of mentally ill people.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/03/boris-johnson-radicalisation-child-abuse

Should neonazi children be removed from their parents custody, as Boris Johnson proposed for radical Islamist youths?

Anonymous wrote:I think we can learn something from this horrible incident. These parents were not willing to listen to this boy, just a boy whose brain is still forming. They should have had faith in their daughter's ability to find her way, and they could have engaged him in conversation, given that he was knowledgable about history, in events having nothing to do with Nazism. The boy clearly had mental problems. Spending time with him and his family might have been a better way to teach her daughter that his hatred was wrong, and it might even have helped this boy see that they were not villains in his script.

Why are talking about the girl's parents? The shooter's parents were the responsible adults in this whole scenario.

I think we can learn something from this horrible incident. These parents were not willing to listen to this boy, just a boy whose brain is still forming. They should have had faith in their daughter's ability to find her way, and they could have engaged him in conversation, given that he was knowledgable about history, in events having nothing to do with Nazism. The boy clearly had mental problems. Spending time with him and his family might have been a better way to teach her daughter that his hatred was wrong, and it might even have helped this boy see that they were not villains in his script.

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Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

Being suicidal does not mean someone is not a terrorist. Again, lots of islamic suicide bombers are desperate, suicidal, etc.

Not sure why someone needs to be an SJW to think that being a neoNazi just MIGHT have played a role in this (apart from the motive for the girls mom to not want them dating)

Because the girls parents weren't Jewish, and there does not seem to be any racial or political motivation behind this? He was pissed off at his girlfriend's parents for trying to force them to breakup.

For like the third time now, even if there was no direct racial or political motivation (though as widely noted, the girl's mom WAS a liberal, disliked neoNazism very intensely, and he almost certainly knew that) that does not mean the NeoNazism didn't matter - it could have numbed him to violence in general, encouraged violent thoughts and feelings, and perhaps encouraged the carrying of a gun.

The kid apparently mowed a huge Nazi sign in a yard. The neighbors wish now they had called police not just his parents. Anyone blaming the girls parents has a screw loose. They are VICTIMS of a neoNazi mentally disturbed boy. He IS to blame. Her parents were absolutely CORRECT in ending the romance, who in their right mind wants to invite hate into their home. No one. People watch your kids and nip issues like this in the bud ASAP. Wake up people.

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Anonymous wrote:The police are probably waiting until they have a strong case to charge the shooter's parents. His parent's were negligent and he should not have had access to an uber/lyft account, a car, and should not have unsupervised time.

This was a two-parent home with financial capital. They were well-aware of his state of mind.

Why? How do you know that it was obvious to the parents that their son was such a danger? Things like this happen all the time that come as a shock to people who know the killer? Yes, they knew he was unstable and probably racist, but that does not necessarily mean he is suicidal or planning to kill anyone.

Just racist and unstable? Mentally ill people that are unstable and racist should be watched very closely.

But we really don't know how his mental illness presented itself prior to this. Think about the Columbine, Sandy Hook, and the Vegas Shooting. Most people knew the shooters were a bit off or unstable but no one thought they were dangerous before they committed their crimes.

Columbine was a first and not something that anyone would ever have anticipated happening at the time. The parents knew and admitted that their boys had been in trouble but they hoped that things would improve as graduation neared. With Sandy Hook, the mother was keenly aware that her son was a very sick person - she was overwhelmed by the severity of his needs and the lack of support care available to him after HS and did not know where else to turn for help. It was all on her and it was too much. I think that a part of her wanted him to kill both her and himself - just to end their suffering.

The Vegas shooter was a grown man who didn't even live in the same state as his elderly mother and other family members. Not sure what they could have seen or done.

The boy in this situation was a kid with mental health issues who was getting help and who did have a two parent household who appeared to be making an effort to ready him for the future. I am sure that they are destroyed over this But I obviously don't know them.

Actually, Columbine wasn't a first and the simple truth is that most people don't anticipate their child doing something like this even if they are disturbed.

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Anonymous wrote:The shooting range photo of the mentally ill killer is with a long gun, at least a semi-automatic, aimed at a target of a police officer. A police officer.

Why was he aiming a gun at a police officer as a target? This is very anti-police state stuff and very scary.

So, all those that think this kid just picked this stuff up on his own are delusional.

Aiming a gun at a police officer target? Please, can someone justify shooting a police officer target on here?

I've been to shooting ranges. A legitimate range would not have such a target. Something is off.

He could have brought the target with him? But, yeah, something is off with that picture.

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This is a very likely scenario. I also think it's quite possible he was just there to visit (have sex) with his girlfriend and after being caught by her angry parents, got pissed, shot them, and when he realized what he had done, tried to kill himself. The reason he had a gun is because he carries one around anyways. Keep in mind there are people who do that, carry concealed weapons around as a matter of course. Wouldn't surprise me if shooter comes from such a family and even if they didn't give him his own personal gun, they probably owned many and didn't notice if one was missing.

Do people on NeoNazi websites tend to support gun ownership? Is it possible that he was ENCOURAGED, politically, to have a gun and keep it with him? Is it possible that someone told him Reston, with its diverse population, is particularly dangerous?

I think that it's more likely that the type of person who is drawn to neo-nazism is the same type of person who is drawn to gun ownership (and no I'm not saying all gun owners are neo-nazis!)

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Anonymous wrote:So the mom approached it wrong and derserved to be murdered?!?

Certainly no one deserves to be murdered. However, based on what we've read in the paper about her actions, it is safe to say that as time goes on we will all see that the mom made some significant errors in the way she handled the situation and that, in turn, caused the children to make their own bad choices.

Oh my goodness. So the mom made the boy kill her. Wow.

Consider how desperate the kid felt, given he turned the gun on himself. That is the point all you social justice warriors are missing.

Being suicidal does not mean someone is not a terrorist. Again, lots of islamic suicide bombers are desperate, suicidal, etc.

Not sure why someone needs to be an SJW to think that being a neoNazi just MIGHT have played a role in this (apart from the motive for the girls mom to not want them dating)

Because the girls parents weren't Jewish, and there does not seem to be any racial or political motivation behind this? He was pissed off at his girlfriend's parents for trying to force them to breakup.

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Anonymous wrote:The police are probably waiting until they have a strong case to charge the shooter's parents. His parent's were negligent and he should not have had access to an uber/lyft account, a car, and should not have unsupervised time.

This was a two-parent home with financial capital. They were well-aware of his state of mind.

Why? How do you know that it was obvious to the parents that their son was such a danger? Things like this happen all the time that come as a shock to people who know the killer? Yes, they knew he was unstable and probably racist, but that does not necessarily mean he is suicidal or planning to kill anyone.

Just racist and unstable? Mentally ill people that are unstable and racist should be watched very closely.

But we really don't know how his mental illness presented itself prior to this. Think about the Columbine, Sandy Hook, and the Vegas Shooting. Most people knew the shooters were a bit off or unstable but no one thought they were dangerous before they committed their crimes.

Columbine was a first and not something that anyone would ever have anticipated happening at the time. The parents knew and admitted that their boys had been in trouble but they hoped that things would improve as graduation neared. With Sandy Hook, the mother was keenly aware that her son was a very sick person - she was overwhelmed by the severity of his needs and the lack of support care available to him after HS and did not know where else to turn for help. It was all on her and it was too much. I think that a part of her wanted him to kill both her and himself - just to end their suffering.

The Vegas shooter was a grown man who didn't even live in the same state as his elderly mother and other family members. Not sure what they could have seen or done.

The boy in this situation was a kid with mental health issues who was getting help and who did have a two parent household who appeared to be making an effort to ready him for the future. I am sure that they are destroyed over this But I obviously don't know them.