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06/15/2016 12:26 Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"

Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.

How hard would it have been to add "Alligators" to that list. Or say "stay out of water" instead of "no swimming." I've been to that beach and kids are regularly wading and splashing in the water with resort staff around and never seen any of them intervene to stop it. It is quite reasonable to assume based on that sign that "swimming" = swimming. Not wading.

I don't know, because parents are supposed to be watching their kids? And the steep drop off is warning against wading, because both done by walking in.

I don't understand how some people can't draw simple conclusions by themselves.

That area doesn't even look like a place you can wade. You don't know the child waded in that spot. You don't know the terrain where he was splashing.

Actually, the area where the child was wading (pics of tents here http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/15/13/354D82C300000578-3642167-The_child_had_been_paddling_with_his_parents_and_four_year_old_s-a-14_1465992068960.jpg) looks even more inhospitable than these nearby signs.

The parents made a grave mistake - very sad, and still pretty relateable. But the parents made a grave mistake. I feel for them - we all make mistakes, but clearly the parents let their guard down too much.

You must be a troll b/c your conclusions make no sense. Or maybe you do not understand how fast, and cunning gators actually are. Do you know the same thing could have happened with the family 20 yards away from the water?
If the family is not aware that there are dangerous animals in the area, then how could you hold them responsible. Your conclusion only works if the child died from drowning in deep water. Not what happened

And for those arguing that the parents should have known FL has gators: That would work if the family were touring the everglades, or some other wildlife area. This was a private resort that is responsible for managing its own property. If there is a threat that gators end up on its property then they need to have signs noting that. When we go to Hilton Head resorts, there are clear signs that note beware of gators, and do not feed gators.

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06/15/2016 12:26 Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

That's asinine.

Really? See the 12:17 post about marketing vs legal. That is what I am talking about.

"No swimming, steep drop off" does not say to me, "An alligator may come up and snatch your child if he is dipping his toes in the water 12" away from the sand."

Yes, but what reasonable person would enter a body of DARK water with a sign that says steep drop off? Seriously, WTF is wrong with people? The lack of common sense is astounding.

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06/15/2016 12:25 Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"

Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.

Again folks, that sign does not imply that you: 1) cannot wade in the waters' edge, or 2) there are alligators in the water.

Yes, for people who don't understand that wading is NOT the same as swimming, in Hawaii for example, they have specific signs to tell you to keep out of the water all together:

Even if you knew there were alligators in Florida, there was no way for the family to anticipate this.

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06/15/2016 12:25 Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

That's asinine.

Really? See the 12:17 post about marketing vs legal. That is what I am talking about.

"No swimming, steep drop off" does not say to me, "An alligator may come up and snatch your child if he is dipping his toes in the water 12" away from the sand."

To me (and I think most people with half a working brain) the signs mean "stay out of the water due to various risks."

Those risk could be a number of things:
- drowning
- gators or other wildlife
- bacteria, brain eating amoeba, chemicals, etc
- sharp rocks
- etc
- or all of the above

Most people don't need it to be itemized. They see a sign like that, and they know to stay out of the water. It doesn't look like play-able water to begin with, but the signs reinforce that. It's basic common sense.

Go away, Disney lawyer. You have lost the argument. Bye.

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06/15/2016 12:25 Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

Anonymous wrote:No one must have been that worried about that lake. Disney even offers water activities including tubing for children:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/bay-lake-tower-at-contemporary/recreation/

This is all the same beach/lake that the surrounding hotels are on.

Oh dear.

Though in other vacation spots, the Outer Banks, for example, there is parasailing and tubing and there are sharks in the water, so I guess it is the same risk?

However, i think the common person knows there are sharks in the ocean. Not sure common people know there are crocs at Disney (I never gave it any thought).

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06/15/2016 12:25 Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they haven't found the child yet. Are they using drones to look? Or just on foot/boat searches?

Uh, I doubt they will find him.

If there are remains, they will find them because they will have animal control dig up gator nests, or they will find contents in a killed gator's stomach. It's horrible.

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06/15/2016 12:24 Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

Anonymous wrote:No one must have been that worried about that lake. Disney even offers water activities including tubing for children:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/bay-lake-tower-at-contemporary/recreation/

This is all the same beach/lake that the surrounding hotels are on.

Holy crap, that's nuts. No excuse for Disney now. Here's the beach where the attack took place.

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06/15/2016 12:24 Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

Anonymous wrote:I dont' think the people who have never been there get it.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.couponingtodisney.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F11%2FPolynesian-beach.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.couponingtodisney.com%2Fneed-a-break-in-your-disney-vacation-try-an-outdoor-movie-at-a-disney-resort%2F&docid=ZSrW8xv1SEbhaM&tbnid=5Xsmf0sXdt7_zM%3A&w=2048&h=1536&bih=923&biw=1280&ved=0ahUKEwiK79DctarNAhUBESwKHYloA6MQMwggKAQwBA&iact=mrc&uact=8

^ this may give you some idea. The outdoor movies and chairs are NEXT to the water. All of the "beach" resorts have activities at the beach. These are filled every single night of the week and this has never happened before. No one saw this coming.

And there's a lady who looks like she's wading in the picture!

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06/15/2016 12:24 Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

+1000

Disney didn't want to ruin "the magic." It will be interesting to see what the discovery phase of a lawsuit turns up. I guarantee their are emails discussing alligators on the property, the proper signage, etc.
It will be morbidly fascinating to see how the Disney sausage is made.

YES.

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06/15/2016 12:24 Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

That's asinine.

Really? See the 12:17 post about marketing vs legal. That is what I am talking about.

"No swimming, steep drop off" does not say to me, "An alligator may come up and snatch your child if he is dipping his toes in the water 12" away from the sand."

To me (and I think most people with half a working brain) the signs mean "stay out of the water due to various risks."

Those risk could be a number of things:
- drowning
- gators or other wildlife
- bacteria, brain eating amoeba, chemicals, etc
- sharp rocks
- etc
- or all of the above

Most people don't need it to be itemized. They see a sign like that, and they know to stay out of the water. It doesn't look like play-able water to begin with, but the signs reinforce that. It's basic common sense.

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