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Anonymous wrote:I'm in a state of shock, honestly. I was raised to love my country and my neighbor. I cannot fathom why the gop is fine with babies and children starving, our elderly homeless, 41 million people who face skyrocketing ACA costs and will lose HC. And all of these actual traitors running our govt. I'm glad all my war veteran family members aren't alive to see this. And for once I don't see a way out of this.

I think they are just using this as leverage to get Democrats to end the shutdown (although deep down they probably don’t care about the hungry people).

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Anonymous wrote:I took my disabled son just now out to shop for the week.

We bought milk, yogurt, bagels, bananas, oranges, frozen chicken stips, frozen waffles, squash, zucchini, frozen green beans, canned peaches, bread and sandwich meat and peanut butter.

Also crackers, cookies, sugar free soda.


It is my bet that the jerks of DCUM would complain about every item on the list when you add them all up.

This is what my son can prepare and likes to eat.

Screw all of you who would take food away from him and people like him. You are just self righteous idiots.

Did you pay?

I literally see nothing wrong with this. Good for you and him for figuring out what works.

Anonymous wrote:I'm in a state of shock, honestly. I was raised to love my country and my neighbor. I cannot fathom why the gop is fine with babies and children starving, our elderly homeless, 41 million people who face skyrocketing ACA costs and will lose HC. And all of these actual traitors running our govt. I'm glad all my war veteran family members aren't alive to see this. And for once I don't see a way out of this.

Anonymous wrote:Marjorie Taylor Greene things Trump's policies of bailing out Argentina while Americans suffer and struggle is the "grossest thing she's ever seen"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjorie-taylor-greene-argentina-bailout_n_68fa6509e4b08cdeb45dfecb

Though that may be eclipsed by the Epstein tapes if someone finally gets the courage to leak them.

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Wake up, Republicans. This shit ain't a good look.

You are aware that the ballroom was privately funded, right? Private funds means no taxpayer money. You cannot expect them to divert funds donated to the ballroom, and redistribute the money to random Americans.

Why would anyone want to fund this shit? Once upon a time, the wealthy funded facilities and institutions that actually benefitted society like hospitals, museums, universities, libraries, medical research, etc. THIS is what they choose to fund?

No one cares about respect anymore. Just pay the bribes out in the open.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

These people live in lala land. They truly believe the only reason someone is poor is because they are lazy, stupid, and/or immoral, and that if they were poor, they'd have no problems and would soon not be poor because they're so smart and awesome. They refuse to see that poverty is a cycle, with lots of outside factors leading to what appear to be maladaptive choices FROM THE OUTSIDE, but that actually make plenty of sense when you understand their life and the choices available to them. You cannot fix systemic problems with bootstraps.

Why they are poor is irrelevant. Someone poor can boil a potato and scramble an egg, just the same as anyone else. Poor people all over the world cook food. The inability (or unwillingness) to cook and having the preference for processed foods is an American cultural problem- particularly with increased prevalence in lower income households.

Let's be honest though. It's a developed world problem. The US is just the most developed country. The same pattern is increasingly happening in other countries. The issue comes down to status. Cooking for yourself is often seen as low status.

And let's be even more honest. Processed food tastes good because it's loaded with salt, sugar and fats. It's easy and addicting. For some it's a simple luxury that makes them feel better in a world where the poor don't get many opportunities to do so. TV and the social media function in much the same way.

That also explains why recent immigrant families don't fall into the trap of convenience foods. They know they are sacrificing from the start.

That being said. There is no greater bang for the buck than a baked potato. Put some beans and cheese on it and it fulfills almost all our intake needs. It can even be made in a microwave. However it's very boring.

The issue is that people use food as an escape from the drudgery. A baked potato with a can of beans costs less than $2 and is enough calories/protein to sustain at least an entire day but eating that is depressing and reminds people how crappy their life is. That's the problem. If sacrifice doesn't produce results then why should someone sacrifice.

I have used the example before of my childhood best friend. Her single mother was going to college 30 miles away- trying so hard to build a better life for them, which she did. But this meant that my friend and her little brother were on their own to fix most meals. Processed food was easy for a 10 and 12 year old. The mom spent all her time at school, studying, or working. No time for teaching them to cook. Sometimes those convenience meals are necessary, even if not ideal.

No they aren’t. A 10 and 12 yr old are perfectly capable of making a BP sandwich, milk, yogurt, scrambled eggs, oatmeal, boiled potatoes, grilled cheese, and many simple things. Stop acting like humans are incapable of eating foods that are not frozen pizza and Mac and cheese cups. Mom could have made big batches of foods weekends to reheat as well (simple stews, rice and beans, etc). My husband’s mother was also as you describe your friend’s mom. She cooked simple things, woke up early, made lunches. They were immigrants. Lunch was often a pita bread, some yogurt smeared on it and a couple pieces of tomato. Could a kid not handle making this? It’s just that people in the U.S. that are poor grew up eating crap, that is all they know, and so they continue to feed their kids that same junk. It isn’t an issue of money or time.

Yep. I’m a single mom, better off than what you describe above. But I am still busy and tired. I refuse to serve a bunch of processed food so batch cooking is a big part of my strategy. A giant pot of homemade pasta sauce (meat, lots of added veggies) that I can then freeze in single serve portions. Chili. I make a big batch of rice and freeze it in one cup portions. Boom, that two easy meals right there. If you batch cook one thing per week soon you can have a good rotation going.

I am your kid , I grew up eating batched cooked slop my entire childhood, because my mother only cooked on weekends. She always cooked the same tired old things that we just hated to eat so much that we preferred to go hungry and throw it out.. True story. I'd pour some of the old slop sitting in the fridge for days into the toilet, so that I don't get yelled at for not eating and try to procure some snacks with pocket money or nothing at all. Also, I completely suck at cooking and hate it, because it was a tedious chore for my overtired mother, never a joy (except some holidays when we got to bake), I never learned to cook. I was the one responsible for all the cleaning in the kitchen and some prep, so I always focus on this tedious task whenever I think about cooking anything interesting and this often discourages me.

utilitarian approach to food can backfire too

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

These people live in lala land. They truly believe the only reason someone is poor is because they are lazy, stupid, and/or immoral, and that if they were poor, they'd have no problems and would soon not be poor because they're so smart and awesome. They refuse to see that poverty is a cycle, with lots of outside factors leading to what appear to be maladaptive choices FROM THE OUTSIDE, but that actually make plenty of sense when you understand their life and the choices available to them. You cannot fix systemic problems with bootstraps.

Why they are poor is irrelevant. Someone poor can boil a potato and scramble an egg, just the same as anyone else. Poor people all over the world cook food. The inability (or unwillingness) to cook and having the preference for processed foods is an American cultural problem- particularly with increased prevalence in lower income households.

Let's be honest though. It's a developed world problem. The US is just the most developed country. The same pattern is increasingly happening in other countries. The issue comes down to status. Cooking for yourself is often seen as low status.

And let's be even more honest. Processed food tastes good because it's loaded with salt, sugar and fats. It's easy and addicting. For some it's a simple luxury that makes them feel better in a world where the poor don't get many opportunities to do so. TV and the social media function in much the same way.

That also explains why recent immigrant families don't fall into the trap of convenience foods. They know they are sacrificing from the start.

That being said. There is no greater bang for the buck than a baked potato. Put some beans and cheese on it and it fulfills almost all our intake needs. It can even be made in a microwave. However it's very boring.

The issue is that people use food as an escape from the drudgery. A baked potato with a can of beans costs less than $2 and is enough calories/protein to sustain at least an entire day but eating that is depressing and reminds people how crappy their life is. That's the problem. If sacrifice doesn't produce results then why should someone sacrifice.

I have used the example before of my childhood best friend. Her single mother was going to college 30 miles away- trying so hard to build a better life for them, which she did. But this meant that my friend and her little brother were on their own to fix most meals. Processed food was easy for a 10 and 12 year old. The mom spent all her time at school, studying, or working. No time for teaching them to cook. Sometimes those convenience meals are necessary, even if not ideal.

No they aren’t. A 10 and 12 yr old are perfectly capable of making a BP sandwich, milk, yogurt, scrambled eggs, oatmeal, boiled potatoes, grilled cheese, and many simple things. Stop acting like humans are incapable of eating foods that are not frozen pizza and Mac and cheese cups. Mom could have made big batches of foods weekends to reheat as well (simple stews, rice and beans, etc). My husband’s mother was also as you describe your friend’s mom. She cooked simple things, woke up early, made lunches. They were immigrants. Lunch was often a pita bread, some yogurt smeared on it and a couple pieces of tomato. Could a kid not handle making this? It’s just that people in the U.S. that are poor grew up eating crap, that is all they know, and so they continue to feed their kids that same junk. It isn’t an issue of money or time.

Yep. I’m a single mom, better off than what you describe above. But I am still busy and tired. I refuse to serve a bunch of processed food so batch cooking is a big part of my strategy. A giant pot of homemade pasta sauce (meat, lots of added veggies) that I can then freeze in single serve portions. Chili. I make a big batch of rice and freeze it in one cup portions. Boom, that two easy meals right there. If you batch cook one thing per week soon you can have a good rotation going.

I am your kid , I grew up eating batched cooked slop my entire childhood, because my mother only cooked on weekends. She always cooked the same tired old things that we just hated to eat so much that we preferred to go hungry and throw it out.. True story. I'd pour some of the old slop sitting in the fridge for days into the toilet, so that I don't get yelled at for not eating and try to procure some snacks with pocket money or nothing at all. Also, I completely suck at cooking and hate it, because it was a tedious chore for my overtired mother, never a joy (except some holidays when we got to bake), I never learned to cook. I was the one responsible for all the cleaning in the kitchen and some prep, so I always focus on this tedious task whenever I think about cooking anything interesting and this often discourages me.

utilitarian approach to food can backfire too

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Anonymous wrote:We have an obesity epidemic, especially among lower income. There isn’t food scarcity, there is food over abundance.

Healthy food is expensive. Unhealthy, preservative-laden foods are cheaper. Plus poor people often lack access to good grocery stores, along with often suffering from stress, lack of sleep, lack of access to healthcare and many other issues that contribute to poor health which can also lead to obesity.

Basic heathy food is not expensive, nor is it elusive. Next excuse?

The only way to become obese is to consume an excess of calories, continuously, over a long period of time. Hard to buy the narrative we have so many starving people that are 50+ lbs overweight

Your assignment for today - drive to inner city and walk to closest corner store. Buy $20 worth of healthy food.
Drive to rural area and find small market and buy $20 worth of healthy food. Report back.

DP. What’s your point?
Food costs less in suburban and rural areas, but the wages are also lower in rural areas and urban areas have higher wages and more opportunities.

The same laws of supply and demand apply either way. The stores sell what people will buy.
The problem is 100% cultural.
Healthy diets can be easily based on rice, beans, tortillas, potatoes. Add in some veggies. Eggs, chicken, and ground beef provide a lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Apples, carrots, and cabbage keep well and do not cost that much.
Again, 100% cultural that people buy bags of cookies and chips instead of real food.
Don’t know how to cook? Learn.

If you’d done the assignment, you find few of those products in the stores I mentioned. It’s a loss to a small store owner, who would have to pay to purchase and power refrigerator and freezers.
I can’t believe the ignorance shown on this thread. Refusing to go and find out for yourself. You scared of the inner city? Scared of rural hick America?

I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses.

At least in DC, just about every neighborhood as weekly farmers markets with fresh produce

Huh? And they're like a gazillion dollars. I have a HHI of $300k and I can't afford to buy produce at the DC farmers' markets.

the GOP would tell you you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps because it isn't like they are doing anything to help make food more affordable.

These people live in lala land. They truly believe the only reason someone is poor is because they are lazy, stupid, and/or immoral, and that if they were poor, they'd have no problems and would soon not be poor because they're so smart and awesome. They refuse to see that poverty is a cycle, with lots of outside factors leading to what appear to be maladaptive choices FROM THE OUTSIDE, but that actually make plenty of sense when you understand their life and the choices available to them. You cannot fix systemic problems with bootstraps.

Why they are poor is irrelevant. Someone poor can boil a potato and scramble an egg, just the same as anyone else. Poor people all over the world cook food. The inability (or unwillingness) to cook and having the preference for processed foods is an American cultural problem- particularly with increased prevalence in lower income households.

Let's be honest though. It's a developed world problem. The US is just the most developed country. The same pattern is increasingly happening in other countries. The issue comes down to status. Cooking for yourself is often seen as low status.

And let's be even more honest. Processed food tastes good because it's loaded with salt, sugar and fats. It's easy and addicting. For some it's a simple luxury that makes them feel better in a world where the poor don't get many opportunities to do so. TV and the social media function in much the same way.

That also explains why recent immigrant families don't fall into the trap of convenience foods. They know they are sacrificing from the start.

That being said. There is no greater bang for the buck than a baked potato. Put some beans and cheese on it and it fulfills almost all our intake needs. It can even be made in a microwave. However it's very boring.

The issue is that people use food as an escape from the drudgery. A baked potato with a can of beans costs less than $2 and is enough calories/protein to sustain at least an entire day but eating that is depressing and reminds people how crappy their life is. That's the problem. If sacrifice doesn't produce results then why should someone sacrifice.

I have used the example before of my childhood best friend. Her single mother was going to college 30 miles away- trying so hard to build a better life for them, which she did. But this meant that my friend and her little brother were on their own to fix most meals. Processed food was easy for a 10 and 12 year old. The mom spent all her time at school, studying, or working. No time for teaching them to cook. Sometimes those convenience meals are necessary, even if not ideal.

No they aren’t. A 10 and 12 yr old are perfectly capable of making a BP sandwich, milk, yogurt, scrambled eggs, oatmeal, boiled potatoes, grilled cheese, and many simple things. Stop acting like humans are incapable of eating foods that are not frozen pizza and Mac and cheese cups. Mom could have made big batches of foods weekends to reheat as well (simple stews, rice and beans, etc). My husband’s mother was also as you describe your friend’s mom. She cooked simple things, woke up early, made lunches. They were immigrants. Lunch was often a pita bread, some yogurt smeared on it and a couple pieces of tomato. Could a kid not handle making this? It’s just that people in the U.S. that are poor grew up eating crap, that is all they know, and so they continue to feed their kids that same junk. It isn’t an issue of money or time.

Yep. I’m a single mom, better off than what you describe above. But I am still busy and tired. I refuse to serve a bunch of processed food so batch cooking is a big part of my strategy. A giant pot of homemade pasta sauce (meat, lots of added veggies) that I can then freeze in single serve portions. Chili. I make a big batch of rice and freeze it in one cup portions. Boom, that two easy meals right there. If you batch cook one thing per week soon you can have a good rotation going.

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Anonymous wrote:I took my disabled son just now out to shop for the week.

We bought milk, yogurt, bagels, bananas, oranges, frozen chicken stips, frozen waffles, squash, zucchini, frozen green beans, canned peaches, bread and sandwich meat and peanut butter.

Also crackers, cookies, sugar free soda.


It is my bet that the jerks of DCUM would complain about every item on the list when you add them all up.

This is what my son can prepare and likes to eat.

Screw all of you who would take food away from him and people like him. You are just self righteous idiots.

Did you pay?

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans have always viewed poverty as a moral failing. They’ll only be satisfied when children are starving to death.

We are far from kids starving to death. 24% of kids in poverty are obese. Not just overweight, but obese. Clearly the money they are given for food isn’t being used to improve health and wellbeing, as intended

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans have always viewed poverty as a moral failing. They’ll only be satisfied when children are starving to death.

We are far from kids starving to death. 24% of kids in poverty are obese. Not just overweight, but obese. Clearly the money they are given for food isn’t being used to improve health and wellbeing, as intended